WOW! Look at this guy 55yrs young
- 12-02-2009, 05:58 PM
- 12-02-2009, 06:51 PM
12-02-2009, 10:12 PM
I am 52 and competed drug-free back in the late 80's and early 90's. I then got into golf bigtime until recently, when the bodybuilding bug caught me again.
At this age I realize that things are not the same, and I've been looking for a way to fight the increase in estro and decrease in testosterone.
Thanks for all of the information!
12-03-2009, 11:38 AM
12-03-2009, 11:48 AM
Most tests that I remember was done at less than 300mg per day.
While E will rise with DHEA, so to will T. I have used it as a staple supplement for 2 years ED. I stay fairly lean year round and I think it has a greater effect on E because of less aromatization from stored E in fat tissues.
But I can honestly say, I can feel when E is on the higher side and it a shi**y feeling to say the least.
12-03-2009, 02:05 PM
12-03-2009, 02:36 PM
12-03-2009, 02:38 PM
12-03-2009, 03:34 PM
A caveat for older lifters, “don't lift heavy too often”. I use to lift occasionally, with gentlemen by the name of Dr. Daryl Johnson. You may have seen him on the cover of "Powerlifting" magazine from time to time, moreover he is a member of the NASA "Hall of Fame" (below is an exerpt). In his early 70's Daryl was squating over 600 lbs. He is built like a brick outhouse and helped me increase my bench press from 315 to over 350 lbs. Years of heavy lifting finally took its toll on Daryl. His joints started hurting so badly that he had to quite lifting altogether. A few years ago I started having joint problems myself and countered with Cissus. Cissus only masks the problem when I quit using it my joints would start to hurt again. Now I only lift heavy on occasion. The rest of the time I use moderate weights and increase the reps. My joints are in e****lent condition and I now lift pain free.
Daryl Johnson, AR. 1990 Over-All Athlete of the Year. Has re-wrote the Record Book in every weight class and division he has lifted. Has won an Athlete of the Year Award every year he has been a member of NASA including Meet Director of the Year, Referee of the Year," Terry McGowan Memorial Award for E****lence", Masters 2 Lifter of Year, Masters 3 Lifter of the Year. One of 3 lifters selected as Athlete of the Decade for the '90's. Competed for NASA on our Russian Tour (Lenengrad and Moscow), winning all of his competitions. Daryl is a sure winner every time he takes the platform.
P.S. I also lift at the same gym with Tyson Meyers. Check him out he's one strong mother.
12-03-2009, 03:44 PM
Right you are, it's not so much about age but wear and tear.. I don't lift heavy all the time, maybe a few routines are year are really heavy. I usually switch off to higher reps or even more isolated movements. I like HST for this as I can build up to the heavy weight but because of my joints I have found that I could not go more than 2 weeks when I got down to 5 reps, and I should have opted for only 2 sets instead of the optional 3 when doing 5 reps. I also find I need to take more frequent breaks.. I take a week every 2 or 3 months sometimes less time depending on what I'm doing.
12-03-2009, 05:22 PM
12-04-2009, 10:09 AM
I started back fairly late in life (32) and soon discovered my joints were not going to support a life of heavy lifting on a constant basis. That and the fact that I am not particularly strong on a lot of lifts made me choose bodybuilding over powerlifting style of training. I still managed to do some bonehead moves over the years and that has forced me to get smarter with my lifting. If nothing else I am a technician and will use lighter weight to get bigger gains when I can.
12-04-2009, 10:44 AM
I have used Google, once or twice. I was interested in links from credible sources showing the safety risks of DHEA. I prefer to search PubMed where the results are not skewed by someone trying to sell me their DHEA or something they think is better.
I feel DHEA helps me. I feel it within minutes after taking it in the morning. It is not placebo effect.
Why do you think DHEA prefers to convert to Estrogen and not as much to Testosterone?
I rather think that T is also produced and then it is aromatized to E at a higher rate in some than others. The aromatization is what is the most important thing to control and blocking the sensitivity of E receptors.
You can also have all the T in the world but have low FT. Most of its all bound by SHBG.
12-04-2009, 06:20 PM
I still go very heavy for my age and my joints are holding up well. My preference is to max out at 5 reps. Once a year I take a couple months and switch to GVT and run the 10 X 10s. I also take time off for one reason or another such as for my wife's recent 2 month cancer radiation treatments. I come back and in a month or two I am lifting heavy again. I still take my Cissus daily but a big key for me came two years ago when I started taking 7 gms of fish oil daily. The 2.1 gms of omega 3s contained therin seem to really lubricate and preserve my joints like nothing else I have known.
12-05-2009, 08:38 AM
12-05-2009, 10:16 AM
A well respected friend provided this information below on DHEA. Most notably was that DHEA does not convert to other hormones, as it is used by your body to make the others as needed.
The testes make most of your pregnenolone, the adrenals make most of your DHEA from pregnenolone. In the testes, DHEA progresses to progesterone then cortisol as NEEDED. The testes use DHEA to make testosterone as NEEDED. DHEA does not spontaneously turn into other hormones.
If DHEA is low, that can rate limit the production of down stream hormones, then DHEA supplementation can address some of that. Men and women start to loose significant levels of DHEA after 30 years of age. And we all start to age significantly from there. There are some good argument to supplement DHEA and there is a lot written about that. Because drug companies are not getting profits, they are not in control of what you here. But the message is still not simple or clear.
Guys on TRT without hCG have their testes shutdown and loose the biggest single source of pregnenolone in their bodies. That lowers DHEA and all of the other steroid hormones. Brain, mind and body all suffer.
You can safely take DHEA supplements. If your E goes high, that is another problem that needs to be studied and dealt with. If your cortisol is high, you need to look at how you are stressing your mind and body before the adrenals get weakened... another kind of hell. You do not want to manage E2 or cortisol with a lack of DHEA.
12-11-2009, 06:45 PM
02-21-2010, 08:39 PM
What brand of DIM products do you recommend? Also, I use 150mg of DHEA daily. Can DIM be used with DHEA?
02-22-2010, 03:11 AM
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