77 year old on epistane?

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  1. 77 year old on epistane?


    Hi everyone,
    I'v been poking around this sight for a few months, and gained enough info to safely run 4 weeks of h-drol. It was my first cycle and all went well, still doing pct. I'm 46 and have read a lot of fitness/training/diet literature over the years and have been lifting off and on since junior high. I'm pretty well informed, but I would like your opinions on having my 77 year old father do a 4 week cycle of epistane with me. I've had him in the gym 4 months steady and he's in good general health.

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  2. I don't think PHs are appropriate or logical at his age. If he's in good health, what more do you want? The PH's won't help his cardiovascular system, and putting on muscle isn't the largest priority and he likely wouldn't keep much of the gains anyways. Just encourage him to live an active and healthy lifestyle.

  3. a good nutrient partitioner can work better for him with less effects on his Cardio vascular system.

    and it can help correct high TG, possibly reverse DM2 and lower cholesterol

  4. wow, i sure hope you are not serious about this... at your dads age this could have some serious health complications, I don't think you want to have that responsibility, do you?
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  5. i would advise against it, but maybe a test booster would help him feel better without hurting him. something like diesel test?
    CELTIC LABS REP

  6. come on guys......

    1st post? troll?

    grandpa on epi?

    surely ye jest.

    i could be wrong, i suppose.

  7. Nope, not jesting. An eye catching topic though...Let's hear some more opinions!!
    We over 35ers will be there too someday, and from what I've read, the elderly can have some very positive health benefits with various hormonal manipulation. So you don't think I'm cruel (or stupid), I closely monitor his bp and diet, and have him on a full range of supps. including nat. test booster. The workout I put together for him now is basically circuit training 50 min./day keeping heart rate in his target zone. We worked up to this, and now the old fart can keep up with me.
    He's interested in ph's because he saw my absolutely ridiculous mass/size gains on my little h-drol run, probably due to the muscle memory from my huge days. We're just curios and here for some input.

  8. Gramps is on the roidz!

    Jebus. I for one say that is not a good idea. There are so many more risks than benefits. If Grandpa really wants to juice, why not take him to a doctor who will put him on Test? That sounds a whole lot safer to me... assuming the doctor would find him in the kind of condition that is fit to give him test... idk... still sounds kind of rediculous to me. Honestly, I'd just be happy Grandpa was going to the gym with me.
    ...GMG760 Version 2.0 ... Back from the dead.

  9. Thanks guys, so then

    HOW OLD IS TOO OLD?

  10. How old is too old for orals or for HRT? If you are serious about wanting something along these lines then take him to a doc that specializes in these matters and get him on test - properly monitored and blood tested.

    At his age I seriously doubt the risk of sides make anything worth it.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by weeniman View Post
    Thanks guys, so then

    HOW OLD IS TOO OLD?
    He should be looking at HGH - that's what I would do at his age.

  12. Must be a joke. That's a great idea. He's already gotten 77 years outta that liver and prostate, f*ck it! He doesn't need them anymore.

  13. Hey roids, that's what HE said!!

    But I think "How old is too old," is a pertinent question we will all have to deal with at some point. Do you think there's a specific physiological signal that tells us it's too late for PH's?

  14. What about Furaguno (Oristan-A) as a PH for old farts?? It LOWERS cholesterol and is NON-methylated. BP could be easily controlled with supps.

  15. Why at 77 does he need this? What is he looking to accomplish at this point?

  16. Like most of us, he would like to increase strength/stamina and look better. I guess none of us really NEED to do these things-- unless for competition or a job. He is still very active, he plays 18 holes and spends an hour in the gym every day.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by weeniman View Post
    Thanks guys, so then

    HOW OLD IS TOO OLD?
    I imagine it would depend on the individual. For someone who has juiced their whole life, they may have to keep juicing through their old age... at least with Test.

    It depends... designers? I wouldn't mess with them if I was over 60. I know people do... that's just me.

    HRT, that is really up to a doctor. I think there is some evidence that it could greatly improve someones life at an older age, and there is probably some evidence that shows it could be slightly dangerous... again, I am no doctor. But yea, if anything take him to a HRT clinic and see what they say. If the doc says no go, I would listen to him. I WOULD NOT put your dad on OTC hormones.
    ...GMG760 Version 2.0 ... Back from the dead.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by weeniman View Post
    What about Furaguno (Oristan-A) as a PH for old farts?? It LOWERS cholesterol and is NON-methylated. BP could be easily controlled with supps.
    The lowering cholesterol side effect of Furaz is a myth.
    ...GMG760 Version 2.0 ... Back from the dead.

  19. I heard that too, so I read as much as I could find on it. A couple studies "prove" its ability to lower cholesterol and reduce arterial plaque buildup. So who ya gonna believe?

  20. You need to examine the quality of the study and not just read the findings.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by weeniman View Post
    I heard that too, so I read as much as I could find on it. A couple studies "prove" its ability to lower cholesterol and reduce arterial plaque buildup. So who ya gonna believe?
    My own bloodtests. It doesn't lower cholesterol. I am proof. It didn't murder my cholesterol, but it definitely doesn't lower it.
    ...GMG760 Version 2.0 ... Back from the dead.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by weeniman View Post
    Hey roids, that's what HE said!!

    But I think "How old is too old," is a pertinent question we will all have to deal with at some point. Do you think there's a specific physiological signal that tells us it's too late for PH's?
    I would prescribe a course of growth hormone and viagra - at that age that's exactly how I'll be rolling

  23. Good idea jakellpet, but are you talking about real HGH ($$$) or something you can get here?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Why at 77 does he need this? What is he looking to accomplish at this point?
    Epi is a bad idea. It's difficult for me to go thru 4-6 weeks and then PCT. At this point, after 3 Epi cycles, I would rather maintain a natural hormonal balance.

  25. There is no such thing as a natural hormone balance past middle age replacemnt therapy is the way to go he will feel better and crap who wants to feel like there 70 I want to feel like I am 16

  26. 77 and an hour in the gym is good enough. im 35 and have a hell of a time doin that(sometimes)

  27. We talkin bout Stallone in here?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by samva777 View Post
    There is no such thing as a natural hormone balance past middle age replacemnt therapy is the way to go he will feel better and crap who wants to feel like there 70 I want to feel like I am 16
    Sure there is.

    It's one that is not influenced by taking a steroid. And we were talking about Epi, not TRT.

  29. the only person that can tell u that is him self for he knows his body or his doc not the ppl on this board, i feel that it would be unwise, but hell ill be jucin till i die may it be 50, 60 ,70 ill have a badass body the whole ride.
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