77 year old on epistane?

[weeniman]

Hi everyone,
I'v been poking around this sight for a few months, and gained enough info to safely run 4 weeks of h-drol. It was my first cycle and all went well, still doing pct. I'm 46 and have read a lot of fitness/training/diet literature over the years and have been lifting off and on since junior high. I'm pretty well informed, but I would like your opinions on having my 77 year old father do a 4 week cycle of epistane with me. I've had him in the gym 4 months steady and he's in good general health.

 

[wolfe14]

WoW!

 

[Steveoph]

I don't think PHs are appropriate or logical at his age. If he's in good health, what more do you want? The PH's won't help his cardiovascular system, and putting on muscle isn't the largest priority and he likely wouldn't keep much of the gains anyways. Just encourage him to live an active and healthy lifestyle.

 

[crazyfool405]

a good nutrient partitioner can work better for him with less effects on his Cardio vascular system.

and it can help correct high TG, possibly reverse DM2 and lower cholesterol

 

[Delta Force]

wow, i sure hope you are not serious about this... at your dads age this could have some serious health complications, I don't think you want to have that responsibility, do you?

 

[tnubs]

i would advise against it, but maybe a test booster would help him feel better without hurting him. something like diesel test?

 

[Kristofer68SS]

come on guys......

1st post? troll?

grandpa on epi?

surely ye jest.

i could be wrong, i suppose.

 

[weeniman]

Nope, not jesting. An eye catching topic though...Let's hear some more opinions!!
We over 35ers will be there too someday, and from what I've read, the elderly can have some very positive health benefits with various hormonal manipulation. So you don't think I'm cruel (or stupid), I closely monitor his bp and diet, and have him on a full range of supps. including nat. test booster. The workout I put together for him now is basically circuit training 50 min./day keeping heart rate in his target zone. We worked up to this, and now the old fart can keep up with me.
He's interested in ph's because he saw my absolutely ridiculous mass/size gains on my little h-drol run, probably due to the muscle memory from my huge days. We're just curios and here for some input.

 

[GMG760]

:lol: Gramps is on the roidz!

Jebus. I for one say that is not a good idea. There are so many more risks than benefits. If Grandpa really wants to juice, why not take him to a doctor who will put him on Test? That sounds a whole lot safer to me... assuming the doctor would find him in the kind of condition that is fit to give him test... idk... still sounds kind of rediculous to me. Honestly, I'd just be happy Grandpa was going to the gym with me.

 

[weeniman]

Thanks guys, so then

HOW OLD IS TOO OLD?

 

[UGHQTempus]

How old is too old for orals or for HRT? If you are serious about wanting something along these lines then take him to a doc that specializes in these matters and get him on test - properly monitored and blood tested.

At his age I seriously doubt the risk of sides make anything worth it.

 

[jakellpet]

Thanks guys, so then

HOW OLD IS TOO OLD?

He should be looking at HGH - that's what I would do at his age.

 

[roids1]

Must be a joke. That's a great idea. He's already gotten 77 years outta that liver and prostate, f*ck it! He doesn't need them anymore.

 

[weeniman]

Hey roids, that's what HE said!!:laugh2:

But I think "How old is too old," is a pertinent question we will all have to deal with at some point. Do you think there's a specific physiological signal that tells us it's too late for PH's?

 

[weeniman]

What about Furaguno (Oristan-A) as a PH for old farts?? It LOWERS cholesterol and is NON-methylated. BP could be easily controlled with supps.

 

[AE14]

Why at 77 does he need this? What is he looking to accomplish at this point?

 

[weeniman]

Like most of us, he would like to increase strength/stamina and look better. I guess none of us really NEED to do these things-- unless for competition or a job. He is still very active, he plays 18 holes and spends an hour in the gym every day.

 

[GMG760]

Thanks guys, so then

HOW OLD IS TOO OLD?

I imagine it would depend on the individual. For someone who has juiced their whole life, they may have to keep juicing through their old age... at least with Test.

It depends... designers? I wouldn't mess with them if I was over 60. I know people do... that's just me.

HRT, that is really up to a doctor. I think there is some evidence that it could greatly improve someones life at an older age, and there is probably some evidence that shows it could be slightly dangerous... again, I am no doctor. But yea, if anything take him to a HRT clinic and see what they say. If the doc says no go, I would listen to him. I WOULD NOT put your dad on OTC hormones.

 

[GMG760]

What about Furaguno (Oristan-A) as a PH for old farts?? It LOWERS cholesterol and is NON-methylated. BP could be easily controlled with supps.

The lowering cholesterol side effect of Furaz is a myth.

 

[weeniman]

I heard that too, so I read as much as I could find on it. A couple studies "prove" its ability to lower cholesterol and reduce arterial plaque buildup. So who ya gonna believe?

 

[UGHQTempus]

You need to examine the quality of the study and not just read the findings.

 

[GMG760]

I heard that too, so I read as much as I could find on it. A couple studies "prove" its ability to lower cholesterol and reduce arterial plaque buildup. So who ya gonna believe?

My own bloodtests. It doesn't lower cholesterol. I am proof. It didn't murder my cholesterol, but it definitely doesn't lower it.

 

[jakellpet]

Hey roids, that's what HE said!!:laugh2:

But I think "How old is too old," is a pertinent question we will all have to deal with at some point. Do you think there's a specific physiological signal that tells us it's too late for PH's?

I would prescribe a course of growth hormone and viagra - at that age that's exactly how I'll be rolling :147:

 

[weeniman]

Good idea jakellpet, but are you talking about real HGH ($$$) or something you can get here?

 

[MacTech]

Why at 77 does he need this? What is he looking to accomplish at this point?

Epi is a bad idea. It's difficult for me to go thru 4-6 weeks and then PCT. At this point, after 3 Epi cycles, I would rather maintain a natural hormonal balance.

 

[samva777]

There is no such thing as a natural hormone balance past middle age replacemnt therapy is the way to go he will feel better and crap who wants to feel like there 70 I want to feel like I am 16

 

[plenny]

77 and an hour in the gym is good enough. im 35 and have a hell of a time doin that(sometimes)

 

[dave12]

We talkin bout Stallone in here?

 

[MacTech]

There is no such thing as a natural hormone balance past middle age replacemnt therapy is the way to go he will feel better and crap who wants to feel like there 70 I want to feel like I am 16

Sure there is.

It's one that is not influenced by taking a steroid. And we were talking about Epi, not TRT.

 

[alwaysgaining]

the only person that can tell u that is him self for he knows his body or his doc not the ppl on this board, i feel that it would be unwise, but hell ill be jucin till i die may it be 50, 60 ,70 ill have a badass body the whole ride.

 

[jakellpet]

We talkin bout Stallone in here?

Hell, I am. You line up him and the Governator. Sly's got the goods :thumbsup:

 

[GuyverX]

I'd recommend something natty like Stoked, Drive, Reverse, DCTH, ACTX or something similar before EPI. Combined with some POWERFULL/1-Carboxy , Avena Sativa, LJ100.
Might not give him the huge mass but those will help his libido and his hormonal profile.
Of course the other guys mentioned professional HRT and thats the best route to go if you can afford it.

 

[silverSurfer]

If I were you I would take my dad to a doctor with a lot of experience and with a decent sized client base of seniors on some kind of reliable and clinically monitored "treatment". Besides, if your father hasn't inquired about this he may be just as happy with a tub of protein.

At 77, I would want him to live just a little bit longer and I'd hate to complicate things because of some random epistane cycle.

 

[monsterbox]

I would not advise him to take epistane.

Its methyl, it will put stress on his liver. Its also going to shut him down, at at 77, if your not on TRT, your more than likely going to have low testosterone levels.

The anti-E aspects of epistane are going to be really hard on the joints. Even for someone not old.

Tell him to get on TRT. Go get a blood test and get on testosterone cream. This would help him tremendously in all aspects of life.

 

[RoadBlocK]

I hesitated to comment in this thread, because I too was unsure if this was a legitimate question, I apologize for that, and I have to say in all good conscience that I really dont think this is the right thing for your Dad. Please take the advice given, and stay away from anything thats out on the market, get the man to a good doctor, as was posted by several others, and see if TRT or HRT might be a suitable course of treatement for him. Best of luck to you both.

 

[brahmabull]

I admire the fact that at that age he is still strong and vibrant enough to train in the gym but, prohormones at his age could strain his organs. There is a whole host of possible adverse effects that could occur. His age group is more susceptable to serious complications that could destroy their heart, liver, kidneys, joints, etc.. What is this guy thinking?

 

[weeniman]

Thank you all for your input.
What got my dad amp'd on the idea was him seeing my crazy gains on 4 weeks of h-drol. I agree that epi is a bad idea for him, but who better to confirm this than you guys.
I've been corresponding with a nutritionist from here, and his advice was right in-line with what I was thinking. We're gonna have him on several more "tame" supplements i.e. no PH's.
My question, "How old is too old," (for PH's) still leaves me wondering...
I come from hearty stock, and in my family we tend to be functional till we fall over dead around 95-100. One grandfather pumped iron till 96. I've also discovered my bloodline is very tolerant of toxins :nono:

 

[kingdong]

Prohormones can be risky even at a young age. Real hormone repacement would be a safer bet, and even that is risky. Before you even mess with his his testoserone, you should remember that old Stallone, who is still younger than your dad, is takeing huge amounts of growth hormone to keep his connective tissues and organs healing form the workouts he does, and even that is dangerous.

 

[kingdong]

"How old is too old" is just hard to answer. The truth is, these compounds are not very well researched and I doubt that many people can really say, "I know tons of over 40 guys on prohormones."

 

[weeniman]

:33: Just for curiosity's sake, what's the oldest you've ever heard someone doing PH's?

Had to have been some real fossils posting to this forum over the years.:fart:

Oh, I just found Stallone-:rambo:

 

[jakellpet]

:33: Just for curiosity's sake, what's the oldest you've ever heard someone doing PH's?

Had to have been some real fossils posting to this forum over the years.:fart:

Oh, I just found Stallone-:rambo:

Stallone is on the HGH!

 

[Zero V]

In all honestly...get him on TRT, I am quite sure he can probably qualify hahah. Test and HGH have really been critical in taking elderly people and completely giving them their lives back!

I mean once I reach an elderly age, I am will go for it. I want to spend my entire life physically capable.

 

[weeniman]

Just came across a couple posts from DUTCHMAN. He's like 68 and runs PH's frequently. He eats cissus like candy for his joints, but he is RIDICULOUSLY strong and apparently healthy.:notworthy:

But back to my dad, to remind you, he plays 18 holes AND spends a real hour in the gym EVERYDAY. We really don't think HRT or HGH are necessary. We were just looking for a little physique "boost," and he was curios about epi. We have an arsenal of supps. (no PH's) on the way to try. If he's not happy with the results, then we may look into those other options.:dance:

 

[GMG760]

That sounds like a stellar plan.

 

[weeniman]

What do you think of DUTCHMAN running PH's at his age?

 

[GMG760]

What do you think of DUTCHMAN running PH's at his age?

If his bloodtests say that he is healthy... who am I to judge him. I would personally just use HRT at that point. I mean, why not use the best of what you can get? I just think Testosterone is tried and true. We know what it does to the body and it can be effectively dosed so that an older person feels young again, rather than an older person gets f*cking jacked and wrecks his organs in the process. 300mg of Test every 2 weeks alone would make him feel years younger. He could continue this for a long period of time. He wouldn't make crazy gains, but he would also have a relatively good shot at good health. Take a low dose OTC steroid like Epistane... and well, why even bother? You still can only run it for a short period of time, it WILL require a PCT and honestly I would rather just tell your dad to grill up a big f*ckin steak and go to town.

When the time comes I am gonna use HRT and live it up in my old age.

 

[jbryand101b]

i've been reading through this thread. epistane is a bad idea.

hrt with testosterone is also a bad idea at his age. the estrogenic/dht conversion/sides would do more harm than good.

anavar is the steroid most commonly used with seniors. it is safe enough, and as with other class 3 old school anabolics, it has had numerous studies and research done on it, proving it's safety, even one with men over 60 being given a dosage for some number of weeks.

anavar would be the best option for you pops. find out his blood stats, and how overall healthy he is. if his liver enzymes are tip top, and his lipid profile is all good, i'd say start looking for anavar. first from a doctor, as a form of hrt, and if that doesn't work, then it's black market.

and about the furaguno. furaguno is the non methylated version of furazabol. which is the steroid the studies done on it's cholesterol lowering effects were done on. the methylated one. methylating a steroid changes how it acts, take boldenone, and methylated boldenone aka dianabol.

the studies done, showed total cholesterol lowered, but this is most likely due to hdl being lowered. also, there aren't enough studies done on this steroid to say it will lower cholesterol, esp since the orig study done was paid for by the comp. marketing it.

so the cholesterol lowering effects of the demethylated steroid furaguno are def. a myth.

your best bet will be anavar. if your pops is serious, I would start researching everything about it.

 

[weeniman]

Sounds good, and don't worry, pops won't be doin epi.

I am amazed by this DUTCHMAN guy though, and trying to imagine if I were 70ish. You think the desire to be huge will be gone by then? Search for some of his posts--the amount of weight he throws around is insane.

 

[weeniman]

hey jbryand101b,

Thanks for the very informed response

 

[weeniman]

hey jbryand101b,

I'm going by memory, but I researched Orastan-A which is the same as furaguno. Are we talking about the same stuff??

:study: Just had to double check cuz I sometimes git cunfuzed