how effective can a sarm be and how long would u take it?
I have used ostarine I find it fairly effective at increasing energy, building muscle, cutting fat and maintiang strength. It is also very nice for your joints. I would take it 6 to 7 weeks (and run an otc pct). Don't think it's actually as effective as test (even though it may be refered to as a test substitute) but a lot of people run it at low doses during pct to help keep gains. Suming up, Decent bulker probably best used as recomp effective at cutting allows you to maintain strength and mass while burning fat.
any good threads anyone recommends looking at prior to using SARMs?Interested in this topic, been looking at Ostarine...
how effective can a sarm be and how long would u take it?
thats not a pct. thats an extension of your cycle. these are androgensI have used ostarine I find it fairly effective at increasing energy, building muscle, cutting fat and maintiang strength. It is also very nice for your joints. I would take it 6 to 7 weeks (and run an otc pct). Don't think it's actually as effective as test (even though it may be refered to as a test substitute) but a lot of people run it at low doses during pct to help keep gains. .
??????Thanks Pat.
I believe this was in response to the bro attempting to drop knowledge like he were you??????
the decasarm product looks like a prohormone with some narignenin (a flavonoid from grapefruit)I was thinking of running the DecaSARM with Arom-x for 6-8 weeks for a good recomp...Lean gain thrown in with the +20/-20% kcals on w.o and rest days...and some good powerlifting plan for a noob such as me , kinda like 5x5 , 5/3/1 or starting strength! , thoughts?
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Oh I thought it was non steroidal...oOthe decasarm product looks like a prohormone with some narignenin (a flavonoid from grapefruit)
Its not a SARM if your definition of SARM means non-steroidal. Other than that though it could be considered a SARM in the broad definition
Oh I thought it was non steroidal...oO
Why do I always perceive you as an angry or really sarcastic dude ^^'!!?? Hehe...though I love the info u give nonetheless xDkill me now
its the people that act all nice that you have to worry about. i just kid aroundWhy do I always perceive you as an angry or really sarcastic dude ^^'!!?? Hehe...though I love the info u give nonetheless xD
I believe this was in response to the bro attempting to drop knowledge like he were you
Do you mean you don't need a pct? I decided to use daa and atd since I heard ostarine can lower t and raise e.thats not a pct. thats an extension of your cycle. these are androgens
:lmao:Thanks Pat.
Ha ha, yes, I need to put that in my signature. :smoker:its the people that act all nice that you have to worry about. i just kid around
Haha true! I'm mainly humble here ;p and try to learn as much as I can , i'm new to this , hence I ask and research , so as to not get smacked all the time xD!!its the people that act all nice that you have to worry about. i just kid around
u may wanna do a pct after ostarine, especially if you are planning on taking larger dosages and/or longer durationDo you mean you don't need a pct? I decided to use daa and atd since I heard ostarine can lower t and raise e.
i have been doing the fitness bb'ing interweb message board thing since 1996 so i pretty much am a top dogHaha true! I'm mainly humble here ;p and try to learn as much as I can , i'm new to this , hence I ask and research , so as to not get smacked all the time xD!!
I'm kinda new to BB'ing , started almost a year ago , past july , and well loving it , used to be a fat 180lb kid , 5'5" and 30% bf or so haha...changed a lot , and if u got good advice for a good bulk for this little pup I would appreciate it ;p!! i dont wanna be fat kid anymore :3!!!i have been doing the fitness bb'ing interweb message board thing since 1996 so i pretty much am a top dog
Are you related to arnold schwartzawhathisnamer?i have been doing the fitness bb'ing interweb message board thing since 1996 so i pretty much am a top dog
What? This isn't pats corner, or training advice from pa, its advanced discussion.I'm kinda new to BB'ing , started almost a year ago , past july , and well loving it , used to be a fat 180lb kid , 5'5" and 30% bf or so haha...changed a lot , and if u got good advice for a good bulk for this little pup I would appreciate it ;p!! i dont wanna be fat kid anymore :3!!!
you're saying that MK-2866 (Ostarine) is an androgen and cannot be used with PCT?thats not a pct. thats an extension of your cycle. these are androgens
you're saying that MK-2866 (Ostarine) is an androgen and cannot be used with PCT?
the word androgen is sometimes thrown around in the medical literature when referring to AAS and i think it can just as well be thrown around with SARMs. Androgens are male sex hormones and ostarine is a synthetic analog of male sex hormones
basically u wouldnt consider anavar part of a PCT because its an AAS. Ostarine is (pharmacologically if not chemically) an AAS
you're saying that MK-2866 (Ostarine) is an androgen and cannot be used with PCT?
I agree with Pat and it actually works both ways. Some AAS are actually being classified as SARMS now.the word androgen is sometimes thrown around in the medical literature when referring to AAS and i think it can just as well be thrown around with SARMs. Androgens are male sex hormones and ostarine is a synthetic analog of male sex hormones
basically u wouldnt consider anavar part of a PCT because its an AAS. Ostarine is (pharmacologically if not chemically) an AAS
What I find interesting is this new category of SARMS may allow for some AAS to be redefined and thus allow for more research to be done with them.17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate.
Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) now under development can protect against muscle and bone loss without causing prostate growth or polycythemia. 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone), a potent testosterone analog, may have SARM-like actions because, unlike testosterone, trenbolone does not undergo tissue-specific 5α-reduction to form more potent androgens. We tested the hypothesis that trenbolone-enanthate (TREN) might prevent orchiectomy-induced losses in muscle and bone and visceral fat accumulation without increasing prostate mass or resulting in adverse hemoglobin elevations. Male F344 rats aged 3 mo underwent orchiectomy or remained intact and were administered graded doses of TREN, supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate, or vehicle for 29 days. In both intact and orchiectomized animals, all TREN doses and supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate augmented androgen-sensitive levator ani/bulbocavernosus muscle mass by 35-40% above shams (P ≤ 0.001) and produced a dose-dependent partial protection against orchiectomy-induced total and trabecular bone mineral density losses (P < 0.05) and visceral fat accumulation (P < 0.05). The lowest doses of TREN successfully maintained prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations at sham levels in both intact and orchiectomized animals, whereas supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate and high-dose TREN elevated prostate mass by 84 and 68%, respectively (P < 0.01). In summary, low-dose administration of the non-5α-reducible androgen TREN maintains prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations near the level of shams while producing potent myotrophic actions in skeletal muscle and partial protection against orchiectomy-induced bone loss and visceral fat accumulation. Our findings indicate that TREN has advantages over supraphysiological testosterone and supports the need for future preclinical studies examining the viability of TREN as an option for androgen replacement therapy.
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/300/4/E650.long
Can a SARM such as ostarine(or other SARM's) be taken(stacked) during a oral PH/DS cycle? (A PH/DS such as Epi or SD)u may wanna do a pct after ostarine, especially if you are planning on taking larger dosages and/or longer duration
you can take it any way you want. just use it like you would an anavar or primobolanCan a SARM such as ostarine(or other SARM's) be taken(stacked) during a oral PH/DS cycle? (A PH/DS such as Epi or SD)
Or is a SARM to be taken only solo or along with a PCT after a oral PH/DS cycle?
Does Ostarine in any way interfere/magnify with presciption meds?
is Osta RX real ostarine?until ostarine gets approved by the FDA i dont think the company that is developing it willl be releasing any drug interaction data they may be privy to
ostarine you get on the internet is not meant for human consumption of course
i have tested grey market ostarine and found what looked like ostarine. i dont remember what the brands wereis Osta RX real ostarine?
Can a SARM such as ostarine(or other SARM's) be taken(stacked) during a oral PH/DS cycle? (A PH/DS such as Epi or SD)
Or is a SARM to be taken only solo or along with a PCT after a oral PH/DS cycle?
I was asking about how I always see posted not to take/stack 2 methylated compounds such as Epi or SD.you can take it any way you want. just use it like you would an anavar or primobolan
If PA wants to test our Osta Rx for you guys I would be happy to send him a bottle.is Osta RX real ostarine?
Granted now that the price has doubled it may make more sense to get it from a decent Research lab
I was asking about how I always see posted not to take/stack 2 methylated compounds such as Epi or SD.
I’m not knowable of liver toxicity of different compounds.
I went to wikipedia and serched for anavar & primobolan. It says they are methylated. Seems to also say low liver toxicity.
Since they are methylated should they not be taken with A PH/DS such as Epi or SD?
Or is the liver toxicity so low it would not be an issue?
Also these compounds ostarine, anavar & primobolan sound like another steroid. Why are they called SARM's?
u just need to send some caps but also you need to send 100 bucksIf PA wants to test our Osta Rx for you guys I would be happy to send him a bottle.
The thing with sarms is that they are designed to be selective e.g. Muscle and bone tissue. As opposed to ph which are not selective and affect tissues in the body we may not necessarily want to be affected such as the prostate and so forth. If a sarm is stacked with a ph you could almost consider it an expensive anabolic.Can a SARM such as ostarine(or other SARM's) be taken(stacked) during a oral PH/DS cycle? (A PH/DS such as Epi or SD)
Or is a SARM to be taken only solo or along with a PCT after a oral PH/DS cycle?
anabolic steroids were designed to be selective like that too. and many prohormones are precrursors to anabolic steroids or anabolic steroids that never made it to market as drugsThe thing with sarms is that they are designed to be selective e.g. Muscle and bone tissue. As opposed to ph which are not selective and affect tissues in the body we may not necessarily want to be affected such as the prostate and so forth. If a sarm is stacked with a ph you could almost consider it an expensive anabolic.
True, fair enough.anabolic steroids were designed to be selective like that too. and many prohormones are precrursors to anabolic steroids or anabolic steroids that never made it to market as drugs
no anabolic steroid was able to acheive complete selectivety of anabolic from androgenic effects. And likewise, these SARMs (although they can recheive a remarkable degree of selectivity at lower dosages) have not acheived complete selectivity either. In fact I see little evidence that they are superior in this regard to the cleanest of the AAS (primo, anavar, nandrolone)
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