Whatís it like when youíre approaching / at your genetic limit?

  1. Whatís it like when youíre approaching / at your genetic limit?


    Whatís it like when youíre approaching / at your genetic limit?

    As you approach your genetic potential Iíd imagine youíd hit a lot of plateaus pretty often and only really inch forward in training volume and strength.

    When you hit your genetic limit is it like hitting an endless plateau or will your strength fluctuate a little below your PB depending on how you slept, etc?


  2. Iíve always looked at genetic limit in terms of aesthetics and how much muscle you can hold below 10 percent body fat not how strong you are. When youíre near your genetic limit it will be impossible to gain more muscle without getting fat and when you cut down youíll always end up your leanest and best looking at that specific weight.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    Whatís it like when youíre approaching / at your genetic limit?

    As you approach your genetic potential Iíd imagine youíd hit a lot of plateaus pretty often and only really inch forward in training volume and strength.

    When you hit your genetic limit is it like hitting an endless plateau or will your strength fluctuate a little below your PB depending on how you slept, etc?
    Yeah for me my bench didnít increase for a year. 275 for 1 was all i could get, somedays it was easy others i couldnít get it. I tried all kinds of programs to build it but just couldnít break past that, DR did some blood work, put me on trt and now itís a slow and steady progression.

  4. I wish there was a way to calculate "genetic limit". Like, would the positions or length or angle of insertions and origins means that you can lift a specific amount of max weight etc.
    "A dumbbell is a man's best friend"

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Cheeky Monkey View Post
    I wish there was a way to calculate "genetic limit". Like, would the positions or length or angle of insertions and origins means that you can lift a specific amount of max weight etc.
    Iíd say that you can slowly increase your strength limit for a longer period of time than your lean muscle mass limit at/near sub-10% body fat.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Cheeky Monkey View Post
    I wish there was a way to calculate "genetic limit". Like, would the positions or length or angle of insertions and origins means that you can lift a specific amount of max weight etc.
    You can calculate your LBM genetic potential with some accuracy. Thereís several different formulas that involve bone structure to estimate genetic potential for mass.

    Now Iím not sure if thereís the same for strength, I would think it would be a lot more technical. Like you said your insertions, limb lengths, etc

  7. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    What’s it like when you’re approaching / at your genetic limit?
    Depressing
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Cheeky Monkey View Post
    I wish there was a way to calculate "genetic limit". Like, would the positions or length or angle of insertions and origins means that you can lift a specific amount of max weight etc.
    I’m sure other factors such as how much endogenous testosterone, myostatin and follistatin you have factor in too. Additionally, there are probably some genes that allow a person to pack on more muscle for one reason or another.
    On the specific issue of your max strength, genes such ACTN3 which largely dictate the ratio of fast twitch : slow twitch muscle fibres you have play a part. Some people probably also naturally have denser muscles

  9. I donít think many have ever hit that top peak of genetics


    Most would either be happy with that they do get too or just jump on the gear

  10. I thought I was there. I changed my training a bit and managed to move along a little bit more. Still have not found that top layer with the new routine.

    I use a site which has strength standards by age and weight and see I am close to the max before PEDs enter into calculations.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by EMPIREMIND View Post
    Depressing
    Agreed. Being 45 and knowing you peaked....is rough.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by UCSMiami View Post
    I thought I was there. I changed my training a bit and managed to move along a little bit more. Still have not found that top layer with the new routine.

    I use a site which has strength standards by age and weight and see I am close to the max before PEDs enter into calculations.
    Can you pm that site

  13. done

  14. Quote Originally Posted by UCSMiami View Post
    done
    Me too please and in what ways did you change up your training?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut AM View Post
    Agreed. Being 45 and knowing you peaked....is rough.

    Do you need to spend as long training to maintain as you did to get to your peak?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    Do you need to spend as long training to maintain as you did to get to your peak?
    Training becomes less a factor...diet becomes more of a factor and its effects on metabolism, recovery, etc...

    You can "look" great but strength and performance gradually deteriorate no matter what you do. Its nature. You look for goals within yourself and other people your age. Its all relative.
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