are all zma's equal?

[steeltown]

As long as you go with a trustworthy company are all zma'a the same?
thanks

 

[Bone]

Zma is only znc, magnesuim and b6. You could get it alot cheaper if you bought them seperatly.

Peace

Bone

 

[sage]

true....true (on what bone said). some brands might have more mg per pills however you right STown in thinking that zma is zma. Although, Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate/Magnesium Aspartate/B-6 is pretty uselss in my opinion. Sage

 

[bachovas]

Actually if you buy the pre-mixed,  somewhere,  it should say SNAC System, Inc. They hold the patent for ZMA, as a supplement.

 

[Biggs]

bump on Bone and Sage... can buy plentiful amounts of each mineral dirt damn cheap individually. to actually answer your question, if you are dead set on buying a "ZMA" product I would go with Optimum Nutrition or a similarly reputable operation that has the right ingredients (some do use calcium filler I believe, so watch out)... it's just a mineral mix after all

 

[steeltown]

Cool thanks for the info. I didnt even think of making my own. I think I will do some reserch and see what happen's. Could be a learning experience if nothing else. thanks

 

[jweave23]

equal?

equally worthless...........................yes they are 

 

[steeltown]

jweave23, do you think they are total worthless post ph cycle? what I have read seems to point to helping get your t levels going and as a sleep aid. please give me any info you have. thanks

 

[Biggs]

do you think they are total worthless post ph cycle?

perhaps not worthless, but certainly no greater than say... bottles and bottles of the component minerals and about $13 cash

 

[sage]

not that its worthless....but there are so many other options for a post cycle supplementation that even stacking zma with clomid, novla, 6oxo, etc would be a waste of money. Sage

 

[steeltown]

Sage, like what for example? I was going to use liquid clomid, 6oxo and zma. Do you have a better idea. thanks bro

 

[jweave23]

Zinc itself really isn't exactly worthless, but usually doesn't give any noticeable effect at all IMO. I tried ZMA when it first "came out" (lol, as if it was a breakthrough, 3 minerals!) and wasn't impessed at all. I have tried several times since then (post cycle also) and still have not noticed any measurable amount of difference. I won't say it doesn't entirely "work", but definitely just another extra couple bucks for me to throw away and pills to remember. The specific ratio of the minerals:

Vitamin B6: 10.5mg
Magnesium: 450mg
Zinc: 30mg

 has been debated before, saying that only this ratio will provide results, and I find that hard to believe also. Maybe if you are deficient in zinc will it help raise natty test levels to a balance, but otherwise I don't place any value in it at all. But, if you choose to use this along with an anti-e of some sort, remember that you haven't standardized all the possible variables in the equation, so it cannot be said that ZMA was the direct contributor to a return of natty test levels.

 

[sage]

Sage, like what for example? I was going to use liquid clomid, 6oxo and zma. Do you have a better idea. thanks bro

all three aint necessary. you could do well with just the clomid or 6oxo (probably need 2 of those). as for clomid, you'll probably need around 2000mg-2500mgs total for a duration of one post cycle. (below is a link to some choice you have as well) Sage

http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3664&highlight=clomid+dosage

 

[Biggs]

The specific ratio of the minerals has been debated before, saying that only this ratio will provide results, and I find that hard to believe also.

no no, makes perfect sense to me... only certain amounts provided in one cap, at the same time, will do anything beneficial... yep

*wank wank*

 

[steeltown]

thanks for the info, i'm going to go with the clomid and 6oxo and call it good. thanks