Cutting - Want something to maintain strength

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  1. Cutting - Want something to maintain strength


    Title says it all. What natty stuff do you guys take on a cut outside of thumos.


  2. Fiber and a good amount keeps me satiated

    Caffeine on non weight training days

    Of course beta alanine, creatine, agmatine.

    On weight training days, a pre-workout like ragnorok-elite.

    L theanine at the end of the day to relax a bit.
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  3. Using a natural test booster would likely help. Something like M-Test or Alphamax would be good to add to a cutting stack to help with strength, recovery, and vascularity

  4. A good pre workout nothing beats going into the gym feeling alpha

  5. Quote Originally Posted by john.patterson View Post
    Using a natural test booster would likely help. Something like M-Test or Alphamax would be good to add to a cutting stack to help with strength, recovery, and vascularity
    Agreed with this. A good natty t booster like alphamax xt would be a great addition. Other natty supplements like Follidrone 2.0 would be another good one to take while cutting to help maintain strength and increase recovery.
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  6. Currently taking OL Test1fy, xgels, Sns agmatine, vaso 6, beta alanine, creatine HCL and then OG alphamine with primatene for preworkout.. eating around maintenance, strength gains are great, recomp is noticeable, and overall just feel great.. would recommend this stack

  7. Quote Originally Posted by john.patterson View Post
    Using a natural test booster would likely help. Something like M-Test or Alphamax would be good to add to a cutting stack to help with strength, recovery, and vascularity
    Agree. I would also find a weightlifting program and stick to it for the duration (probably a powerlifting template since theyíre more geared towards strength) and have your sleep optimized (6-8hr). Try and control what external factors you can.
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  8. Alphamax on cutting guys? Usually it's not used on mass?

  9. Creatine. Adequate protein. Change carb macros to fat macros, that way you will be in ketosis, and better utilize ketones for fuel over the minimal glycogen you will have in muscles during a cut. Also, ketosis is muscle sparing when you drop calories.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by matteoF1 View Post
    Alphamax on cutting guys? Usually it's not used on mass?
    Itís got GDAs and a cortisol suppressive herb in it.
    Do as I say, not as I do.
  11. Cutting - Want something to maintain strength


    I actually just finished a bottle of alphamax I had originally quit out on. The forskolin was a bit too strong along with the ashwagandha so it made me feel like garbage if I took it without at least a 100g carb meal.
    Do as I say, not as I do.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by matteoF1 View Post
    Alphamax on cutting guys? Usually it's not used on mass?
    M-Test and alphamax can be used either way. Optimizing hormone function in a deficit or surplus is only s good thing.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post
    Agree. I would also find a weightlifting program and stick to it for the duration (probably a powerlifting template since theyíre more geared towards strength) and have your sleep optimized (6-8hr). Try and control what external factors you can.
    Always solid advice.

    Creatine, Betaine, EAAs (+carbs if thatís your thing) during training, and adequate nutrition on top of these always serve me well and the base of my cutting attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by matteoF1 View Post
    Alphamax on cutting guys? Usually it's not used on mass?
    People love forskolin on a cut. It also has things that should put you in a better hormonal environment theoretically.

    Quote Originally Posted by ValiantThor08 View Post
    Creatine. Adequate protein. Change carb macros to fat macros, that way you will be in ketosis, and better utilize ketones for fuel over the minimal glycogen you will have in muscles during a cut. Also, ketosis is muscle sparing when you drop calories.
    While everyone likes different things and Iím not saying this is entirely wrong, id say that youíd be better off keeping carbs as high as possible (with minimum protein requirements met) especially around training to fuel performance. FWIW carbs are going to help spare muscle and fuel performance...

  14. I keep my staple supps like creatine and protein...but I enjoy some natty anabolics...iconogenin would get my vote, it naturally leans me out anyway but my weight training sessions improve too...that's what i'm personally looking for on a cut

  15. I usually run a gda like glycophase xt along side reduce xt.

  16. Interesting the mention of creatine on a cut. Definitely works differently with each individual but it might be hard to tell how much you are actually cutting aesthetically and getting the physique you want with the water it potentially holds depending on how you handle it. Just my .02.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve10 View Post
    Always solid advice.

    Creatine, Betaine, EAAs (+carbs if that’s your thing) during training, and adequate nutrition on top of these always serve me well and the base of my cutting attack.



    People love forskolin on a cut. It also has things that should put you in a better hormonal environment theoretically.



    While everyone likes different things and I’m not saying this is entirely wrong, id say that you’d be better off keeping carbs as high as possible (with minimum protein requirements met) especially around training to fuel performance. FWIW carbs are going to help spare muscle and fuel performance...
    Yeah, Forskolin is great stuff but my stomach hates it.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by niklasericson View Post
    Yeah, Forskolin is great stuff but my stomach hates it.
    Supposedly the 95 percent forskolin is easier on the stomach.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    I keep my staple supps like creatine and protein...but I enjoy some natty anabolics...iconogenin would get my vote, it naturally leans me out anyway but my weight training sessions improve too...that's what i'm personally looking for on a cut
    my weight training improves when using iconogenin because my joints feel much better.


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  20. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    my weight training improves when using iconogenin because my joints feel much better.


    glad to hear you enjoy it.
    Hopefully will get a chance to log, see how my left shoulder joint fairs on it.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by ValiantThor08 View Post
    Hopefully will get a chance to log, see how my left shoulder joint fairs on it.
    lol, I use it for my RIGHT shoulder...I fell into a ditch and reached back and injured my shoulder, went to pt and got a tens machine, but nothing helps as much as the iconogenin!!!

    good luck, if I were picking you would be logging for sure!!!
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by _Endure_ View Post
    Interesting the mention of creatine on a cut. Definitely works differently with each individual but it might be hard to tell how much you are actually cutting aesthetically and getting the physique you want with the water it potentially holds depending on how you handle it. Just my .02.
    Creatine bloat is overblown imo. It draws water intracellularly to work which should make muscles look fuller. Iím not saying no one suffers from issues of bloat just that itís not making people not look defined (the bloat is usually more associated with a lack of absorption and stomach discomfort).

    Considering itís plethora of benefits and especially considering OP wants strength benefits itís pretty much the first place to go and should be a no brainer in most peoples endeavors.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by niklasericson View Post
    Yeah, Forskolin is great stuff but my stomach hates it.
    What percentage extract have you used? I bet it was a 95% extract, correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by ValiantThor08 View Post
    Supposedly the 95 percent forskolin is easier on the stomach.
    This is the marketing dogma that was created a few years back. The reason, generally, forskolin causes GI distress is because it increases cAMP and the presence of cAMP pulls water into your lumen.

    Here is a good summary: http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks...secretion.html

    So, the more amp, the more water, the more diarrhea. The more concentrated the forskolin, the more cAMP you should get released.

    I was unaware of all this and believed the marketing for a long time until one day I realized that in the early 2000's when I first used forskolin I never had any issues and no one talked about it. Then a decade later it was this big thing and the only time I had any issues was with these higher extracts. Even after realizing this, I assumed my memory just wasn't accurate or I didn't pay attention, or I was younger, etc. Then one day I realized that it makes no sense that a higher extract would cause less GI distress.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Joe12 View Post
    Title says it all. What natty stuff do you guys take on a cut outside of thumos.
    sns yohimbine 2.5 (stellar for stubborn bf), caffiene, glycophase (GDA)

    some non-stim options would include Lean Edge, alpha yohimbine, or even something like SNS reduce xt to help with cortisol and its negative impact on fat loss
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    sns yohimbine 2.5 (stellar for stubborn bf), caffiene, glycophase (GDA)

    some non-stim options would include Lean Edge, alpha yohimbine, or even something like SNS reduce xt to help with cortisol and its negative impact on fat loss
    yohimbine needs to be on an empty stomach to work effectively. No bcaas or anything else that spikes insulin. Does it still work when insulin is spiked? I dont know...I might give it a shot. Im onto a cut right now and may add it in. Ive got alpha yohimbine too. Used both of these many times for contest prep...

    someone mentioned creatine and beta alanine, yes if yours not using these...
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