Epicatechin Supplementation Inhibits Aerobic Adaptations to Cycling - Human Study

  1. Epicatechin Supplementation Inhibits Aerobic Adaptations to Cycling - Human Study


    Interesting human study done on ()-Epicatechin. It would be nice to see this done on anaerobic exercise in healthy humans as well.

    Abstract:
    The purpose of the study was to determine if cycling exercise combined with ()-epicatechin supplementation was more effective at increasing training adaptations than cycling combined with a placebo. Blood and muscle samples were obtained at rest before and after training to determine the effects of ()-epicatechin supplementation on total serum antioxidant capacity, skeletal muscle mitochondrial protein content, and skeletal muscle myostatin gene expression. Participants (n = 20) completed two testing sessions separated by 4 weeks of cycle training, with supplementation of 100 mg (200 mg total daily) of ()-epicatechin or a placebo, twice daily. Data were analyzed using a two-way mixed model ANOVA for each variable and the alpha level was set at p ≤ 0.05. A significant increase was observed for time for relative peak anaerobic power (p < 0.01), relative anaerobic capacity (p < 0.01), and fatigue index (p < 0.01). A significant increase was observed for time for absolute peak VO2 (p < 0.01) and peak power output obtained during the peak VO2 test (p < 0.01). A significant interaction between group and time for relative peak VO2 was observed (p = 0.04). Relative peak VO2 significantly increased over time in the placebo group (p < 0.01), but not in the ()-epicatechin group (p = 0.21). A significant increase was observed for time for total serum antioxidant capacity (p = 0.01). No interaction or main effect of time was observed for myostatin (p > 0.05). Likewise, no interaction or main effect of time was observed for cytochrome C or citrate synthase (p > 0.05). A significant interaction effect was observed for succinate dehydrogenase (SDH; p = 0.02). SDH content increased significantly for the placebo group (p = 0.03, partial η2 = 0.59), but not for the ()-epicatechin group (p = 0.81). Further, whereas no difference existed between the groups for SDH at baseline (p = 0.23), SDH content was significantly greater in the placebo group at the post time point (p = 0.01). Results indicate that ()-epicatechin supplementation does not affect myostatin gene expression or anaerobic training adaptations but inhibits aerobic and mitochondrial SDH adaptations to cycle exercise training.

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  2. Fascinating study. Thank you for taking the time to post this.

    I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the conclusion. Does anyone have any theories they would like to share? I immediately wondered about bioavailability since that is an issue that must be addressed with oral supplementation.
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  3. That’s interesting. I always wondered whether this would be the case.

    Does anyone have a clue if not getting adaptations would actually be beneficial for fat loss, if the problem with aerobic exercise to lose fat in the long term is due to adaptations that make you more efficient in aerobic energy production?

    I.e. I just want to run without ever getting better at it to lose more fat.

  4. Well we know anti-oxidants taken peri-workout decrees training adaptations, at least a few other studies I have seen over the years have born this out. Epi is an anti-oxidant so perhaps taking away from training would be advantages?????? As usual, we need far more research before we come to any strong conclusions.

  5. soo epi is only an antioxidant supp?

    if were sposed to take it away from lifting or cardio why do we get a boost in cardio output when using it
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  6. I say they should try higher doses for a better comparison. They tried 200mg, so now they should have three groups and try 500mg, 1g, and 3g to see any differences in effect.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Cheeky Monkey View Post
    I say they should try higher doses for a better comparison. They tried 200mg, so now they should have three groups and try 500mg, 1g, and 3g to see any differences in effect.
    Agreed. It would definitely be interesting to see some more studies done at higher dosages.
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  8. In a year or so we'll look back on Epicatechin as we did with Urosolic acid.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by TheIronAsylum View Post
    soo epi is only an antioxidant supp?

    if were sposed to take it away from lifting or cardio why do we get a boost in cardio output when using it
    No, it is not only an antioxidant. Boosting performance does not necessarily equal an increase in adaptation. To make an extreme example: Meth would boost performance and obviously would NOT boost adaptation lol. With only this one study I would not stop taking Epi preworkout if you find it helps. I like the stuff personally and am not going to change a thing based on this one study. Like I originally stated more research is needed. Long term the ability to train harder due to the increase in performance should outweigh any decrees in adaptation due to the antioxidant effects.

  10. Just bumping for some other opinions on this. This is a human study with a conclusion that we were not expecting, so I find this particularly interesting.

    Curious about thoughts from some of the epi experts here.
    @brundel @justhere4comm

  11. It works fantastic for me and has been a staple for awhile. Sometimes studies say one thing and personal experience is completely different. The map is not always the territory. Are you gonna live your life according to what someone else says or experience it for yourself?

    There is only one way to find out. Give it a shot yourself. We are all based on the same design, yet there is so much variance within the schematic. Epicatechin does have some non responders, but for those that do respond, you will know immediately.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Monte Brogan View Post
    Just bumping for some other opinions on this. This is a human study with a conclusion that we were not expecting, so I find this particularly interesting.

    Curious about thoughts from some of the epi experts here.
    @brundel @justhere4comm
    I just read the study through and shoudl have begun at the end.

    "The EPI group consumed one capsule containing 100 mg of 98% pure ()-epicatechin twice daily (200 mg total). Participants were instructed to consume one 100 mg capsule in the morning and one 100 mg capsule in the afternoon or evening."

    Straight -(-epi) alone is not very bioavailable. What did they use for absorption? Answer: Nothing. How does a mouse consume a capsule?
    Further, the 15 day experiment proved successful in improvement but the 30 day did not?"Mice bread for..." is not quite indicative of a human response. How many humans are bread for a lack of aeorbic capacity?

    Personally, if anyone has followed my previous logs knows how can a 50 plus year old do what I did in 30-35 minutes would be crazy. I'll give the nod to Follidrone 2.0 for endurance and capacity. Did they also increase the carb intake prior to exercise? Probably not. Can you tell if a mouse is feeling hypoglycemic because if this mouse didn't eat his carbs prior to working out, he would.

    I don't see the value in this study, like others as there is a more complex issue here.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by BCseacow83 View Post
    Well we know anti-oxidants taken peri-workout decrees training adaptations, at least a few other studies I have seen over the years have born this out. Epi is an anti-oxidant so perhaps taking away from training would be advantages?????? As usual, we need far more research before we come to any strong conclusions.
    This study didnt have them take it pre-workout though. They took 100mg (or placebo) twice daily.

    They even mentioned that maybe results would be different had it been taken prior to training due to possible NO benefits proposed.

    As usual though it would be nice to see more studies and continue to gather more information.

    Quote Originally Posted by justhere4comm View Post
    I just read the study through and shoudl have begun at the end.

    "The EPI group consumed one capsule containing 100 mg of 98% pure ()-epicatechin twice daily (200 mg total). Participants were instructed to consume one 100 mg capsule in the morning and one 100 mg capsule in the afternoon or evening."

    Straight -(-epi) alone is not very bioavailable. What did they use for absorption? Answer: Nothing. How does a mouse consume a capsule?
    Further, the 15 day experiment proved successful in improvement but the 30 day did not?"Mice bread for..." is not quite indicative of a human response. How many humans are bread for a lack of aeorbic capacity?

    Personally, if anyone has followed my previous logs knows how can a 50 plus year old do what I did in 30-35 minutes would be crazy. I'll give the nod to Follidrone 2.0 for endurance and capacity. Did they also increase the carb intake prior to exercise? Probably not. Can you tell if a mouse is feeling hypoglycemic because if this mouse didn't eat his carbs prior to working out, he would.

    I don't see the value in this study, like others as there is a more complex issue here.
    Finally, and until I think of something else, I'd say, look at the unsponsored logs of ours and others.
    Dude what are you even rambling about?

    This wasnt a mouse study? And its bred not bread.

    They werent 50 year olds either.

    Why would they increase carb intake prior to training that would become a conflicting variable to the study.

    Im just confused at what you are looking at.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by justhere4comm View Post
    I just read the study through and shoudl have begun at the end.

    "The EPI group consumed one capsule containing 100 mg of 98% pure (–)-epicatechin twice daily (200 mg total). Participants were instructed to consume one 100 mg capsule in the morning and one 100 mg capsule in the afternoon or evening."

    Straight -(-epi) alone is not very bioavailable. What did they use for absorption? Answer: Nothing. How does a mouse consume a capsule?
    Further, the 15 day experiment proved successful in improvement but the 30 day did not?"Mice bread for..." is not quite indicative of a human response. How many humans are bread for a lack of aeorbic capacity?

    Personally, if anyone has followed my previous logs knows how can a 50 plus year old do what I did in 30-35 minutes would be crazy. I'll give the nod to Follidrone 2.0 for endurance and capacity. Did they also increase the carb intake prior to exercise? Probably not. Can you tell if a mouse is feeling hypoglycemic because if this mouse didn't eat his carbs prior to working out, he would.

    I don't see the value in this study, like others as there is a more complex issue here.
    Finally, and until I think of something else, I'd say, look at the unsponsored logs of ours and others.
    I agree with Resolve10, what paper are you reading? You seem to be talking about a mouse paper that they cite in the introduction and not the human study results. Of course that other study would use mice bred for low running capacity as it would be easier to see any significant changes in performance.

    Furthermore, this is a placebo-controlled study in which they saw a significant effect. On what scientific basis (not your personal opinion or marketing) are you saying this study has no value, but you do believe in completely uncontrolled supplement logs?
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  15. I'd love to see more studies that correlate to how most people would take -(-epi) for performance purposes. I know that I definitely see improvement in my cardio output and endurance, but I also am taking 600mg 45-60 min prior to activity.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    I'd love to see more studies that correlate to how most people would take -(-epi) for performance purposes. I know that I definitely see improvement in my cardio output and endurance, but I also am taking 600mg 45-60 min prior to activity.
    Id be interested as well, mostly because I as well feel like Ive seen benefit!
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