7-KETO dosage

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  1. 7-KETO dosage


    Iím doing 200mg a day and Iím noticing Iím getting pretty hot during the day. 100mg in the morning with breakfast and 100mg pre workout. I wanna get up to 300-400mg a day but whatíre your experiences with this and these doses?


  2. Iím on keto! Love it. Losing weight and building muscle! Iím at 800mg week .... yes my body runs hot but you kinda get used to it.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by zunteck View Post
    Iím on keto! Love it. Losing weight and building muscle! Iím at 800mg week .... yes my body runs hot but you kinda get used to it.
    Sheesh! Thatís insane! I have heard of people running around 6-700 though. Does it mess with your sleep? How do you time your dosing? I notice I can get a little dizzy on it from time to time have you experienced this?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Brain5ick View Post
    Sheesh! Thatís insane! I have heard of people running around 6-700 though. Does it mess with your sleep? How do you time your dosing? I notice I can get a little dizzy on it from time to time have you experienced this?
    Iím on week 10 of cycle. So Iím eod pinning. Yes sometimes I stay pumped and might want to stay awake late. So Iíll take unisom and it helps me knock out. Yes you will feel dizzy because of keto. Itís hard on body but results are awesome. I lost 40lbs off keto now Iím building lean muscle. Straight love it bro... gotta Get macros in check, drink a lot of water so you donít get hungry. Eat cashews. Etc.... research brotha.

  5. As far as I've seen, it doesn't work very well orally.

    I've used up to 400mg a day, including OL's version.

    I would look into a topical version, I think Iron Mags and Muscle Gelz both do good versions.
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  6. I took 200-300mg PER DAY.
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  7. Acetated, even.
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  8. Yeah, you get hot, at 300 per day you will sweat in a 60 degree room.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Old Witch View Post
    Yeah, you get hot, at 300 per day you will sweat in a 60 degree room.
    Whatís your take on the oral vs TD thing here? 200mg keeps me pretty warm and I usually sweat a little while after taking it even if Iím not doing anything. The dizziness is odd but probably from raised body temp or dehydration Iím guessing. What was your dosing like? 100mg with each meal?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    As far as I've seen, it doesn't work very well orally.

    I've used up to 400mg a day, including OL's version.

    I would look into a topical version, I think Iron Mags and Muscle Gelz both do good versions.
    iron legion has vii-kt...it uses the salvo delivery and I think it is the industries best....stacks nicely with Invictus and several guys have reported fantastic results using the vi-kt/Invictus/virtus stack.


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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Brain5ick View Post
    Whatís your take on the oral vs TD thing here? 200mg keeps me pretty warm and I usually sweat a little while after taking it even if Iím not doing anything. The dizziness is odd but probably from raised body temp or dehydration Iím guessing. What was your dosing like? 100mg with each meal?
    Well, I used a high quality product to start with, so I think oral of what I was taking, in the dose I was taking, would probably outdo most of the TDs and oral products actually marketed to B.B.

    Swanson health. Itís 7 keto dhea 3b acetate.

    I didnít need to take it with meals or anything, was just taking it every 8 hours. No dizziness, no nausea, nothing. Just thermogenesis.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Old Witch View Post
    Well, I used a high quality product to start with, so I think oral of what I was taking, in the dose I was taking, would probably outdo most of the TDs and oral products actually marketed to B.B.

    Swanson health. It’s 7 keto dhea 3b acetate.

    I didn’t need to take it with meals or anything, was just taking it every 8 hours. No dizziness, no nausea, nothing. Just thermogenesis.
    with a statement like that I hope you have tried td 7 keto for comparison?
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    with a statement like that I hope you have tried td 7 keto for comparison?
    the half-life of 7-keto is quite short, at roughly 2.2 hours. transdermal isn't just more efficient at delivering 7-keto, it also buffers delivery over an extended period of time...usually 6-8 hours. so, you can apply twice daily with td. To effectively use oral 7-keto you would want to break up your doses into 7-8 oral doses a day
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by zunteck View Post
    I’m on keto! Love it. Losing weight and building muscle! I’m at 800mg week .... yes my body runs hot but you kinda get used to it.
    Can you let us in on whete ur getting IM 7 keto?
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  15. who said IM?
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by zunteck View Post
    I’m on week 10 of cycle. So I’m eod pinning. Yes sometimes I stay pumped and might want to stay awake late. So I’ll take unisom and it helps me knock out. Yes you will feel dizzy because of keto. It’s hard on body but results are awesome. I lost 40lbs off keto now I’m building lean muscle. Straight love it bro... gotta Get macros in check, drink a lot of water so you don’t get hungry. Eat cashews. Etc.... research brotha.
    Here
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  17. Man I totally misunderstood what he was asking..... I apologize. Lol

  18. Quote Originally Posted by delsolrob View Post
    the half-life of 7-keto is quite short, at roughly 2.2 hours. transdermal isn't just more efficient at delivering 7-keto, it also buffers delivery over an extended period of time...usually 6-8 hours. so, you can apply twice daily with td. To effectively use oral 7-keto you would want to break up your doses into 7-8 oral doses a day
    I get really hot and sweat through my shirt at 100mg in the AM and 100 pre workout but I feel cold towards the end of my workout. Thinking about taking 100mg after my workout before bed. Would this be advised?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by delsolrob View Post
    the half-life of 7-keto is quite short, at roughly 2.2 hours. transdermal isn't just more efficient at delivering 7-keto, it also buffers delivery over an extended period of time...usually 6-8 hours. so, you can apply twice daily with td. To effectively use oral 7-keto you would want to break up your doses into 7-8 oral doses a day
    With that half life, youíd still have a quarter of your dose in your bloodstream at 5 hours. 8 doses a day would definitely not be necessary. The stuff Old Witch had is estered also, so probably even longer half-life.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyk1 View Post
    With that half life, youíd still have a quarter of your dose in your bloodstream at 5 hours. 8 doses a day would definitely not be necessary. The stuff Old Witch had is estered also, so probably even longer half-life.
    Although mine is not esterified Iíd like to do more but Iím weary of sides. Already losing weight rather steadily and Iím naturally about 98.8 degrees as far as temp goes.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyk1 View Post
    With that half life, you’d still have a quarter of your dose in your bloodstream at 5 hours. 8 doses a day would definitely not be necessary. The stuff Old Witch had is estered also, so probably even longer half-life.
    according to this study, the half life of 7-keto acetate (3-acetyl-7-oxo-DHEA or 3beta-acetoxyandrost-5-ene-7,17-dione) is 2.17 hours
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11055323

    From my experience, you don't see too much 7-keto base, without an ester.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by delsolrob View Post
    according to this study, the half life of 7-keto acetate (3-acetyl-7-oxo-DHEA or 3beta-acetoxyandrost-5-ene-7,17-dione) is 2.17 hours
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11055323

    From my experience, you don't see too much 7-keto base, without an ester.
    If you also notice, they seem to reach even serum levels with 100mg 12 hrs apart.

    Thereís a few good reasons why TD 7keto ought not to work, for one: it works in the liver mainly, two: itís been shown that injection was relatively ineffective at producing a thermogenic result. So I would assume that transfers to TD as well.

    Itís something which is actually going to work best as an oral, because it needs to hit the liver.
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  23. I tried a couple of BB-marketed products, that iron legion TD and some oral, I think it was the Olympus labs. Didnít really do much. Then I saw Swanson Health had it in their own brand for dirt cheap, so I tried it and upped the dose to 300mg. Blew me away.
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  24. @Old Witch did you dose 300mg all at once or spread it out?

  25. Here's an old post from Par Deus of Avant Labs (if anyone here is even old enough to remember them ) discussing 7-keto, FWIW:

    Advantages vs. Oral


    .....but why not just take it orally?? There are two primary and very significant reasons:

    Number one is increased bioavailability. You get far more 7-oxo in your system, mg/mg than with oral.

    Furthermore, with oral usage, we suppress 11-beta-HSD-1 activity in the liver. This increases the output of the inactive, dehydrogenase product, cortisone in the body, thus lowering systemic cortisol. This is good right?? Nope. Unfortunately, this results in an increase in systemic cortisone to serve as substrate for formation of the dreaded cortisol in the oxoreductase-only adipocyte and other tissues.

    Worse, yet, as we alluded to, the 7-oxo will be converted to the 7-alpha-OH compound, which will enter the bloodstream, and increase the reductase activity of the 11-beta-HSD complex, thus INCREASING formation of cortisol from cortisone in peripheral tissues such as adipose and muscle, as well as in the brain, where it will reek havoc, on the long-term functioning of the system.

    Ugh.

    Never fear. Topical administration eliminates this problem by avoiding the liver, so 7-oxo is not working against itself.
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