Whats new in the supplement game ???
- 01-03-2019, 10:07 AM
I have zero beef with the owners (I have no idea who they are), and I'm not trying to start a **** flinging war, but I don't get it.
KSM-66 is included after caffeine, which means there is less than 200mg of KSM-66. Most supplements with KSM-66 provide 600mg+.
Eria Jarensis is dosed far lower than most other supps at only 75mg when it's routine to see 125mg+ elsewhere.
50mg of L-Dopa is laughably small when ~500mg is the proven dosage for "legit" GH increases.
throw that into the bag when they're also including a non-compliant compound in Noo-pept...I dont understand.Non-affiliated
- 01-03-2019, 10:35 AM
01-03-2019, 10:44 AM
01-03-2019, 11:20 AM
If people were to do that, we'd all be buying tens of thousands of supplements and month and "seeing what works for us". That's not how this stuff works.
There is data, clinical and undeniable data showing that KSM-66 needs to be dosed at "x" in order to receive "y" benefits. Why would I spend money on a supplement that has less than the proven amount?
01-03-2019, 11:23 AM
Redcon1 Teir Operator
01-03-2019, 11:30 AM
Yes ingredients ARE underdosed and there is no arguing that. If there were compounds not being underdosed, why is it in a prop blend? We both know the answer to this question.
Lets assume you have 200mg of KSM-66 in the formula (you and I both know its lower than that, but lets be generous as assume this to be true). Can you provide ANY data showing 200mg of KSM-66 can provide benefits for a user (for any purpose)? If so, is the 200mg dose/day capable of providing results even remotely close to the suggested 600mg/day?
How about any data showing 75mg of "eria jarensis" (we both know theres zero eria jarensis plant material in this product, but I'll keep playing the game)?
How about 50mg of L-Dopa?
I can keep listing the ingredients which are obviously underdosed for their intended purposes, but lets start with these.
Again, this "just try it bro" argument is ridiculous. Hey man, I've found that drinking CEE mixed with rat piss is super anabolic. I LOVE IT! Don't believe me? Why don't you try it for yourself? I'll send you a sample when I get back to the office on Monday
01-03-2019, 11:39 AM
Redcon1 Teir Operator
01-03-2019, 11:41 AM
how about this...since you were willing to be generous, so will I.
If you can provide me the information I requested above and show the facts beyond any reasonable doubt, I will purchase a tub of Radiate for myself as well as a tub for you to enjoy.
01-03-2019, 11:43 AM
I am certainly no expert at in clinical doses, Iím just speaking from experience and I love the OG radiate and Iím also loving the new Radiate. On a 3/4 scoop right now and I am cooking inside, havenít eaten yet today and I have zero hunger. Great energy as well, gives me super boost to start my day.
Just my 2 cents
01-03-2019, 11:47 AM
01-03-2019, 11:48 AM
That said, I asked "whats the buzz around this product, why?" and instead of someone coming in and saying "oh well it works because of x,y,z" I get the BPI response of "Just try it bro!!!" It's a nonsense argument.
If a product is based in science and has data to back it up, I'm probably going to give it a go. If it's something that is OBVIOUSLY underdosed and just has fan boys saying "omg it works great", I'm probably not. Remember when CEE was all the rage? Then actual science came out.
01-03-2019, 11:49 AM
01-03-2019, 11:51 AM
01-03-2019, 12:04 PM
01-03-2019, 12:14 PM
KSM-66 dosing in studies
Stress and anxiety, 600mg: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3573577/
Male sexual function, 675mg: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3863556/
Cardio Respitory endurance, 600mg: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...thletic_adults
Testosterone and muscle recovery, 600mg: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26609282
Female sexual function, 600mg: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2015/284154/
Stress & weight management, 600mg: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27055824
Memory & Cognition, 600mg: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28471731
Thyroid Health, 600mg: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28829155
So...these are the human studies involving KSM-66 that I can find. Do I REALLY need to go start digging up L-Dopa, Eria Jarensis (lol) and the other ingredients in this formula?
01-03-2019, 12:40 PM
01-03-2019, 12:41 PM
01-03-2019, 12:43 PM
01-03-2019, 12:49 PM
01-03-2019, 01:22 PM
I see dementedcowboy is still in here liking posts, but isn't responding to my offer to buy a unit for myself and for him simply for posting a little data...
01-03-2019, 01:27 PM
Redcon1 Teir Operator
01-03-2019, 01:29 PM
So I am half and half on this. Radiate has always been great for it's purpose of getting your ass to the gym, especially cardio. But this blend is a bit odd to me as well.
01-03-2019, 01:32 PM
01-03-2019, 01:35 PM
01-03-2019, 01:43 PM
You were also the person who guaranteed that "nothing in the formula is underdosed". So you don't have access to the clinical data, but claim you know that "nothing is underdosed". so which is it?
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