- 09-04-2018, 05:34 PM
- 09-04-2018, 08:19 PM
If you already picked it up, why are you second-guessing not taking it?
More importantly, what are your goals?old enough to know better, too young to care
09-04-2018, 10:04 PM
Because when I researched it on google I didnt see anything negative about it. When I redownloaded this app I saw negative comments about it.. so I dont know if I should take it or not. Goal wise? Just getting lean gains and grow I guess.
09-04-2018, 10:16 PM
Why would you buy it if you don’t know anything about it?
Want me to call up to the store and see if we can get you your money back?
High Intensity Training log, wedding prep:
09-05-2018, 04:32 AM
Here’s what mind and muscle has to say about the ingredient—
Eucommia Ulmoides – This herbal ingredient seems to have a pSARM effect but is pretty hard to find in the standardization needed to elicit an anabolic effect. It has been shown that the constituents of Eucommia can have a direct androgenic effect on muscle and others (caprylates) can increase androgen sensitivity. It is certainly a very good candidate for a pSARM once a company figures out how to best standardize for its proper constituents. The raw bark would, theoretically, take grams to have a positive effect, making this impossible to use as a supplement.
But ultimately, you never know how something will treat you until you use it. I say determine for sure what you want for yourself, set up a plan for that, then decide if a supplement that’s misleadingly named the same as an AAS will help you get what you want
old enough to know better, too young to care
09-05-2018, 11:57 AM
09-05-2018, 12:01 PM
For sure, I'll let everyone know if I notice any gains or anything different. Only on day 2 right now.
09-05-2018, 12:07 PM
09-05-2018, 08:28 PM
09-05-2018, 08:37 PM
Ehh. I'm only 24 so I probably should... maybe later add on something stronger. Anything natty that is good lol?
09-05-2018, 09:33 PM
Sns xgels are a great option. You could probably pack on a few lbs with that. Olympus Labs has a couple of good Natty products as well.
09-06-2018, 03:02 AM
09-06-2018, 04:35 AM
Stuff could be okay, but I’ve seen it suggested that the main active could be the caprylic acid, which, if true, would make coconut oil a better option. Or at least cheaper. There’s been a ton of things marketed as pSARMs in the past, but so far, to my knowledge, none of them have actually panned out. For example, several years ago, a bunch of companies were selling epimedium as a SARM. There was a study which said that it showed testosterone mimicking effects even. However, if you look at the study, the epimedium increased circulating testosterone, which naturally provided the benefits of testosterone (which is what they actually meant by “mimicking”). Anyway, it could be interesting, but I’m certainly hesitant. Give it a shot I guess.
09-18-2018, 11:47 PM
Hey OP, how’s this product going for ya?
I see in the other ingredients section that Blackstone Labs was smart enough to use a liposomal delivery tech on this... Halo was my fav PH back before the ban, hoping this is a natty alt to it
09-24-2018, 06:49 PM
This is not Halodrol LOL. I havent seen blackstone do anything worthwhile in some time but lets hear about it. Blakeisaac tell us about your results please, its been almost 3 weeks.
Rise Above (insert excuse)
09-24-2018, 07:08 PM
10-10-2018, 10:20 PM
10-10-2018, 10:59 PM
Swanson has a leaf extract of eucommia. Wonder if it has the same benefits as the bark extract. Thinking about dosing it pretty high and giving it a try.
10-10-2018, 11:10 PM
10-10-2018, 11:20 PM
Bottom line though, I don’t think you would get a true sense of the potential of the this ingredient from either of the Swanson products. That is just my opinion though
10-10-2018, 11:23 PM
10-10-2018, 11:28 PM
Unfortunately, I am one that is always tempted to try them all as well!
Speaking of which; I think I found a new winner! I have been on Iconogenin (topical Laxogenin) for the past few weeks and it’s currently blowing me away! I highly recommend that stuff!
I was thinking of stacking it with this product
10-10-2018, 11:35 PM
10-10-2018, 11:44 PM
I have done over 200mg day orally with Cyclosome Technology and I could not tell a difference. I had better luck with a different oral brand that had a similar Laxo dosage, but it also had a Beta-Ecdysterone cyclodextrin complex as well. Nothing compared to Iconogenin though!
10-10-2018, 11:59 PM
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