S4/Ostarine Stack - Side Effects?
- 08-08-2018, 04:03 PM
S4/Ostarine Stack - Side Effects?
I just made my intro, so for my first post what I'm really trying to determine is what the odds are for sides using a stack of 30mg Osta daily and 50mg S4 on a 5/2 rotation. Specifically I'm concerned about hair loss and suppression.
This is my second run with Osta at the same dose, first run was about a year ago and it was stacked with cardarine. This is my first run with S4. I know about the yellowing of the vision and whatnot, but I'm not terribly concerned about that.
Is hair loss or suppression really a concern with these compounds at these dosages?
- 08-08-2018, 04:17 PM
08-08-2018, 04:25 PM
You absolutely will be suppressed. Not shutdown but a proper pct is essential. In ran those two earlier this year with a higher s4 dose and noticed no hair loss.
08-08-2018, 04:27 PM
Youll need more than 50mg of the S4. Think 75, 100 if you can handle it. And the yellow vision is real. Goes away, but its annoying.
08-08-2018, 04:33 PM
08-08-2018, 04:45 PM
Only vision sides to worry about. And I wouldn't bother with the 5/2 protocol and run it straight through. I ran S4 at 75 and osta at 30
08-08-2018, 10:13 PM
08-08-2018, 11:09 PM
08-10-2018, 04:33 PM
08-10-2018, 04:34 PM
08-11-2018, 07:17 AM
08-11-2018, 07:19 AM
s4 and vision - no thanks, but we're all adults (hopefully). ostarine - is this a cut? i'd save it for cutting, it shined in preservation, but wasn't great at anabolism during the trials. it was shelved.
08-11-2018, 07:22 AM
08-11-2018, 07:31 AM
08-11-2018, 07:35 AM
I will say the vision is crazy. I have young kids who were 3 and 6 back then and in the night I would check on them and even with a nightlight on I couldn't see my hand in front of my face. If you looked at the light you could see it but look anywhere else and it was blind spot city plus the yellow tinge.
08-11-2018, 06:55 PM
08-12-2018, 08:11 AM
08-12-2018, 09:25 AM
Ran Osta many times. Vector is better and not suppressive. Ran S4 many times....minimal vision sides at 75-100mg.
08-12-2018, 01:03 PM
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2016/4301621/ and the conclusion:
I quess if your a chick, left arm amputee...In conclusion, LLE supplementation did not improve muscle strength, muscle mass, and muscle function in healthy adults. However, the right-handgrip strength of female subjects in the LLE group showed significant improvement when compared with that of the female subjects in the placebo group. Further well-designed researches are needed to determine the appropriate dose ranges and duration of LLE supplementation and to increase the usefulness of our first-stage study outcome in various clinical settings.
mk-2866 (which eventually became enobosarm before being shelved) prevented catabolism in human drug trials - just didn't *add muscle* well (at trial dosages). the fact that it did suppress indicates that it was indeed binding to the androgen receptor.
08-12-2018, 01:16 PM
Funny you should say that. I felt that my strength improved greatly (in both arms) whilst on vector but with ostarine I get less strength improvement but better body composition changes so I recon ostarine must somewhat improve nutrient partitioning but doesn't improve strength like vector did. Strength gains should lead to more muscle though so eat right and run it for a few months and you will reap rewards... In my oppinion of course.
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