Can 7-Ment be used as a test base

[SDPonce63]

I’m hearing mixed opinions. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Had to read about it and found out its just MENT (Trestolone). Its the best test base -BUT with the harshest shutdown.
Oral Trest has a very short half life -and if you go over a certain dosage, you'll run into trouble. It converts to methyl estrogen, progesterone and ups prolactin -perfect combo for tits.

 

[SDPonce63]

Had to read about it and found out its just MENT (Trestolone). Its the best test base -BUT with the harshest shutdown.
Oral Trest has a very short half life -and if you go over a certain dosage, you'll run into trouble. It converts to methyl estrogen, progesterone and ups prolactin -perfect combo for tits.

So taking that into consideration, 4 andro would be a better route?

 

[hairygrandpa]

So taking that into consideration, 4 andro would be a better route?

What do you wanna take, what will be the test base for?

 

[SDPonce63]

I’m gonna do a bulk in a few months and wanted to run M-Sten, DMZ and LGD 4033. A buddy of mine recommended MENT but I don’t know enough about it to make the call on it

 

[hairygrandpa]

I’m gonna do a bulk in a few months and wanted to run M-Sten, DMZ and LGD 4033. A buddy of mine recommended MENT but I don’t know enough about it to make the call on it

Well. Even not knowing the dosages, your cycle looks way to serious for 4-ad. If you can source "dermal trest", that would be your very best bet.
Oral trest would work too, maybe at 3x10mg/d.
Personally I would skip LGD, never did anything for me, besides giving some sides. I guess you want to use it to prolong the cycle, after dropping the other orals, right? Go with the trest for longer instead.

The PCT afterwards has to be as good as it gets. Clomid + Nolva -or Torem at fairly high dosages and for at least 5 weeks IMHO.

 

[SDPonce63]

So you would recommend dropping LGD and doing trest for 30mg?

 

[hairygrandpa]

So you would recommend dropping LGD and doing trest for 30mg?

I would recommend dermal trest over oral first. Maybe a combo of both -BUT not more than 30mg/d oral AND if in combo with transdermal, 30mg once a day pre workout.

 

[SDPonce63]

I gotcha, on the pct side aside from anti cortisol and natural test booster Nolvadex for 40/20/20/10/10? How about clomid?

 

[hairygrandpa]

Using any other stuff as a base, besides trest , will probably cut your cycle short and you will not use LGD after the orals anyway, due to lethargy and estrogen deficiency (joint pain, sh1tty feeling). Estrogen deficiency arises due to hard test suppression, hence no conversion of test---> estrogen.

The very best would be....you already guesses it: testosterone IM. But if you do, no need for orals anyway, everything changes.

 

[hairygrandpa]

I gotcha, on the pct side aside from anti cortisol and natural test booster Nolvadex for 40/20/20/10/10? How about clomid?

More like this:
Clomid 50/50/50/25/25
AND
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20

 

[SDPonce63]

Using any other stuff as a base, besides trest , will probably cut your cycle short and you will not use LGD after the orals anyway, due to lethargy and estrogen deficiency (joint pain, sh1tty feeling). Estrogen deficiency arises due to hard test suppression, hence no conversion of test---> estrogen.

The very best would be....you already guesses it: testosterone IM. But if you do, no need for orals anyway, everything changes.

I can’t do test lol what’s the next best pct option?

 

[hairygrandpa]

I can’t do test lol what’s the next best pct option?

Switching nolva for torem:

120/120/60/60/60

Or did you mean:
Whats the next best test base?

 

[SDPonce63]

Switching nolva for torem:

120/120/60/60/60

Or did you mean:
Whats the next best test base?

No you Answered my question. So a recap, MENT is the best test base but has estrogen issues of the dosages are not right. DermaTr3st is more effective than oral Tr3st?

 

[BlockBuilder]

No you Answered my question. So a recap, MENT is the best test base but has estrogen issues of the dosages are not right. DermaTr3st is more effective than oral Tr3st?

Transdermal Trest is superior to oral

 

[Nac]

If you cant find Dermatr3st, Ive used Transformation Labs "Trest-td" and found it legit.

 

[hairygrandpa]

No you Answered my question. So a recap, MENT is the best test base but has estrogen issues of the dosages are not right. DermaTr3st is more effective than oral Tr3st?

For unknown reasons, TD trest does not give the nipple trouble as oral -or IM trest-ace does. And NO, its not about estrogen, believe me. Its the lethal combo of all 3: Progestin/Progesterone + methyl estro + prolactin AND the fact that trest shuts you down HARD.
Also, not all users have problems on any form of trest.

Oral trest vs dermal trest
oral:
-very short half life
-short HL = hormonal spikes
-high conversion rate (I do not use aromatization, don't ask why...it fills books to explain, don't go there)

TD
-relativ long HL
-no roller coaster of hormones
-better absorbtion
-strangely, way lower conversion to Prolac,progest.M-estro

 

[DonnieM]

Too many orals IMO. I would pick one, Msten or DMZ.
With this I would run Trest TD at ~50-75mg/day, Tudca+NAC for liver support and maybe some low dose AI like Adex/Exemestane to control the estro.
PCT for me would be Nolva at 20/20/10/10/5 or similar.
Also make sure to drink plenty of water and watch/measure your BP during cycle.
Trest will most likely make you feel good, give good strength and make you super frisky.

Bonus add-ons for this cycle could be Proviron for sense of well being/libido and it also dries you up a bit. And HcG for the balls.

 

[SDPonce63]

Too many orals IMO. I would pick one, Msten or DMZ.
With this I would run Trest TD at ~50-75mg/day, Tudca+NAC for liver support and maybe some low dose AI like Adex/Exemestane to control the estro.
PCT for me would be Nolva at 20/20/10/10/5 or similar.
Also make sure to drink plenty of water and watch/measure your BP during cycle.
Trest will most likely make you feel good, give good strength and make you super frisky.

Bonus add-ons for this cycle could be Proviron for sense of well being/libido and it also dries you up a bit. And HcG for the balls.

Would it be more beneficial to use DMZ and LMG since lmg isn’t methylated?

 

[SDPonce63]

Would it be more beneficial to use DMZ and LMG since lmg isn’t methylated?

Also, what’s the difference between transdermal Trest and Trest TD? Both are dermal application.

 

[Cgkone]

I’m hearing mixed opinions. Any advice would be appreciated.

Yes.

 

[Cgkone]

I’m hearing mixed opinions. Any advice would be appreciated.

What else are you running?

 

[SDPonce63]

What else are you running?

I was planning on running DMZ and Msten with CEL cycle guard with tudca and all of the vitamins and fish oils. However when it comes to a test base I’m getting mixed opinions, people here prefer the dermal applications over MENT and oral TREST however, one guy recommended TREST TD which is different than DermaTrest. I do not know which one would be more beneficial to a test base.

My pct would probably be Nolvadex just because I’ve used it in the past and loved it. So hat being said Nolvadex 20/20/10/10/5, anti cortisol and a natural test booster. I might run my cycle guard into the pct just to help things out a bit. Any advice?

 

[Cgkone]

I was planning on running DMZ and Msten with CEL cycle guard with tudca and all of the vitamins and fish oils. However when it comes to a test base I’m getting mixed opinions, people here prefer the dermal applications over MENT and oral TREST however, one guy recommended TREST TD which is different than DermaTrest. I do not know which one would be more beneficial to a test base.

My pct would probably be Nolvadex just because I’ve used it in the past and loved it. So hat being said Nolvadex 20/20/10/10/5, anti cortisol and a natural test booster. I might run my cycle guard into the pct just to help things out a bit. Any advice?

My advice is just use the trest as needed for energy and sex I wouldn't take it everyday. That being said dermatrest is transdermal trest.
I've actually heard transdermal trest is stronger than oral trest so everybody's different. You can also do both do the transdermal daily the minimal dose and then add the oral pre workout or pre sex if needed. What did you use for your test base before?

 

[SDPonce63]

My advice is just use the trest as needed for energy and sex I wouldn't take it everyday. That being said dermatrest is transdermal trest.
I've actually heard transdermal trest is stronger than oral trest so everybody's different. You can also do both do the transferable daily the minimal dose and then add the oral pre workout or pre sex if needed. What did you use for your test base before?

I ran a MSTEN cycle with LGD 4033 and used dermacrine and I had no lethargy or shut down. However, I know DMZ is more potent than LGD and thus requires something stronger than dermacrine

 

[SDPonce63]

I ran a MSTEN cycle with LGD 4033 and used dermacrine and I had no lethargy or shut down. However, I know DMZ is more potent than LGD and thus requires something stronger than dermacrine

Check this out, this is trest TD:

https://www.***********.com/transformation-labs-trest-td-60-servings.html

This is dermatrest:

https://www.*****************.com/prohormones/olympus-labs/dermatrest.html

Ingredients are different or am I tripping lol

 

[SDPonce63]

Check this out, this is trest TD:

https://www.***********.com/transformation-labs-trest-td-60-servings.html

This is dermatrest:

https://www.*****************.com/prohormones/olympus-labs/dermatrest.html

Ingredients are different or am I tripping lol

**** link won’t post.

DermaTrest

Olympus Labs Dermatrest 120ml
Serving Size: 1ml
Servings Per Container: 120ml
Amount Per Serving
17-hydroxy-7a-methylestr-4-en-3-one

Trest TD

Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 1 Pump (1.5ml) Servings Per Container: 60

Ammount Per Serving %DV
Trest 45mg *
17 Beta;-hydroxy - 7 - Alpha - methylestr-4-en-3-one.

Looks super similar in ingredients but I’m not 100% sure.

 

[Cgkone]

**** link won’t post.

DermaTrest

Olympus Labs Dermatrest 120ml
Serving Size: 1ml
Servings Per Container: 120ml
Amount Per Serving
17-hydroxy-7a-methylestr-4-en-3-one

Trest TD

Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 1 Pump (1.5ml) Servings Per Container: 60

Ammount Per Serving %DV
Trest 45mg *
17 Beta;-hydroxy - 7 - Alpha - methylestr-4-en-3-one.

Looks super similar in ingredients but I’m not 100% sure.

Same thing . I think

 

[Cgkone]

I ran a MSTEN cycle with LGD 4033 and used dermacrine and I had no lethargy or shut down. However, I know DMZ is more potent than LGD and thus requires something stronger than dermacrine

I would just get the decramine again and have trest for just in case.

Like HG said trest will shut you down HARD

 

[SDPonce63]

I would just get the decramine again and have trest for just in case.

Like HG said trest will shut you down HARD

Alright, so dermacrine daily and have DermaTrest on hand and use it every other day or occasionally when needed to prevent shut down? HG suggested Nolvadex and Clomid. Sounds like a good bet for these supplements, what do you gather?

 

[Cgkone]

Alright, so dermacrine daily and have DermaTrest on hand and use it every other day or occasionally when needed to prevent shut down? HG suggested Nolvadex and Clomid. Sounds like a good bet for these supplements, what do you gather?

Everything HG suggests is on the money in my opinion

 

[Karlrobert]

In my experience Trest, like many things, is dose dependent in regards to shut down. A lower dose used just as a base to feel good and fight lethargy had always treated me well without shutting me down hard. I've always recovered easily. Higher doses looking for big gains is another story. Either way proper pct and ancillaries on hand are a must.

 

[SDPonce63]

In my experience Trest, like many things, is dose dependent in regards to shut down. A lower dose used just as a base to feel good and fight lethargy had always treated me well without shutting me down hard. I've always recovered easily. Higher doses looking for big gains is another story. Either way proper pct and ancillaries on hand are a must.

What dosage did you run as a base of dermal?

 

[SDPonce63]

I would recommend dermal trest over oral first. Maybe a combo of both -BUT not more than 30mg/d oral AND if in combo with transdermal, 30mg once a day pre workout.

Trying to get the trest combinations down. If I ran just DermaTrest would I do 1/2 a pump 2 times daily as recommended?

Also, if I did a combo of the oral and derma would I do 1/2 pump in the morning and 30mg oral before pre workout?

 

[Karlrobert]

15mg/d TD trest acetate works for me as a base. Personally if I were you I'd pick one of the dry(for me anyhow) PH/DS you mentioned you had and run it like that. I wouldn't run it with another wet compound though. DMZ or msten go well with it IMO.

 

[SDPonce63]

15mg/d TD trest acetate works for me as a base. Personally if I were you I'd pick one of the dry(for me anyhow) PH/DS you mentioned you had and run it like that. I wouldn't run it with another wet compound though. DMZ or msten go well with it IMO.

So you like MENT. Have you ever used Oral trest or DermaTrest to compare the differences?

 

[Karlrobert]

I like oral trest for preworkout a lot but wouldn't run as a base because of halflife. I'm planning on trying dermatrest one day but haven't yet so I couldn't compare. Board sponsor 7 alpha ace has been good to me. I would be interested in hearing from someone who has used both for a comparison though. I like to pair it with a DHT dry compound. Seems to balance out sides although I've never been gyno prone at all so I can't speak for everyone.

 

[SDPonce63]

I like oral trest for preworkout a lot but wouldn't run as a base because of halflife. I'm planning on trying dermatrest one day but haven't yet so I couldn't compare. Board sponsor 7 alpha ace has been good to me. I would be interested in hearing from someone who has used both for a comparison though. I like to pair it with a DHT dry compound. Seems to balance out sides although I've never been gyno prone at all so I can't speak for everyone.

I gotcha, I really like the suggestion HG provided. Use both DermaTrest and oral. I know to use 25mg (1 cap) before workout but I don’t know about how much of the dermal to apply

 

[hairygrandpa]

Like DonnieM said. 2 harsh orals is begging for trouble. Mainly, your appetite may suffer, besides the stress on the liver.

Personally I would do either one of the orals , M-sten for 5 weeks or DMZ for 6 weeks, together with a TD trest base and 30mg oral trest pre-workout.
I also would prolong the usage of trest to 8-10 weeks, upping dosage of the TD and drop the oral.
I guess you already bought LGD and no matter what I said, you will use it.....

Looking like that:
Msten: 8/12/12/12/12/0/0/0/0/0 (divided in 2-3 dosages x day, short HL), last dose 5 hours before bed (causes insomnia)
LGD: 10/10/10/10/10/15/15/15/15/15
TD trest: on/on/on/on/on/double/double/double/double/double (using label instructions)
oral trest: 30/30/30/30/30/0/0/0/0/0
Ancillaries:
-Tudca: 750mg ed for 6 weeks (1000mg better)
-fish oil
-taurine for back pumps
-electrolytes (especially potassium)
-Vit B6 at 400-500mg/d to curb prolactin
-others: hawthorn...saw palmetto...blah,blah
PCT
Clomid 50/50/50/25/25
AND
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20
-useless OTC Test booster (you already bought it, I guess)
-exemestane for after PCT 3x 12.5mg e3d

If you feel your nipples getting painful (a bit of sensitivity MAY be okay), DROP the trest. Do not try AI's, do not lower the dose! Drop the trest! You may have to abandon the cycle all together at that point and go right to PCT. Not following my advise will lead to TITS. Mark my words.
-Not going to discuss using a Serm on cycle to curb trest sides....

 

[SDPonce63]

Like DonnieM said. 2 harsh orals is begging for trouble. Mainly, your appetite may suffer, besides the stress on the liver.

Personally I would do either one of the orals , M-sten for 5 weeks or DMZ for 6 weeks, together with a TD trest base and 30mg oral trest pre-workout.
I also would prolong the usage of trest to 8-10 weeks, upping dosage of the TD and drop the oral.
I guess you already bought LGD and no matter what I said, you will use it.....

Looking like that:
Msten: 8/12/12/12/12/0/0/0/0/0 (divided in 2-3 dosages x day, short HL), last dose 5 hours before bed (causes insomnia)
LGD: 10/10/10/10/10/15/15/15/15/15
TD trest: on/on/on/on/on/double/double/double/double/double (using label instructions)
oral trest: 30/30/30/30/30/0/0/0/0/0
Ancillaries:
-Tudca: 750mg ed for 6 weeks (1000mg better)
-fish oil
-taurine for back pumps
-electrolytes (especially potassium)
-Vit B6 at 400-500mg/d to curb prolactin
-others: hawthorn...saw palmetto...blah,blah
PCT
Clomid 50/50/50/25/25
AND
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20
-useless OTC Test booster (you already bought it, I guess)
-exemestane for after PCT 3x 12.5mg e3d

If you feel your nipples getting painful (a bit of sensitivity MAY be okay), DROP the trest. Do not try AI's, do not lower the dose! Drop the trest! You may have to abandon the cycle all together at that point and go right to PCT. Not following my advise will lead to TITS. Mark my words.
-Not going to discuss using a Serm on cycle to curb trest sides....

Thanks for all the help man. I don’t already have the LGD. I’m months away from this cycle, just wanted to plan something ahead of time. The TD states 1-2 pumps. On cycle with the oral trest would it be ideal to do 1 pump and oral TD before workout or 2 pumps and oral before workout?

 

[Nac]

If you get and decide to use the DermaTrest...dump the contents of the bottle into a tupperware container, buy a handful of 1ml oral syringes and use to draw up 1ml of product (25mg of compound) and apply to shoulder/trap/upper pec area every morning. Preferrably post-shower. Let it dry (1min max), slap on shirt and you good to go.

 

[SDPonce63]

Thanks for all the help man. I don’t already have the LGD. I’m months away from this cycle, just wanted to plan something ahead of time. The TD states 1-2 pumps. On cycle with the oral trest would it be ideal to do 1 pump and oral TD before workout or 2 pumps and oral before workout?

I didn’t mean 1 pump AND oral before workout. I meant like 1 pump AM 1 and then 1 oral PM before workout. Or 1 pump AM, 1 oral at workout and another pump before bed.

 

[SDPonce63]

If you get and decide to use the DermaTrest...dump the contents of the bottle into a tupperware container, buy a handful of 1ml oral syringes and use to draw up 1ml of product (25mg of compound) and apply to shoulder/trap/upper pec area every morning. Preferrably post-shower. Let it dry (1min max), slap on shirt and you good to go.

I see 50mg is idea test base for transdermal. So 25mg AM and 25 PM. Would I keep that at 50mg even though I would be using 30mg oral trest?

 

[hairygrandpa]

Thanks for all the help man. I don’t already have the LGD. I’m months away from this cycle, just wanted to plan something ahead of time. The TD states 1-2 pumps. On cycle with the oral trest would it be ideal to do 1 pump and oral TD before workout or 2 pumps and oral before workout?

Most users use a syringe to apply TD trest, because every pump is inaccurate. For instance, if label says 1 pump = 1ml, use a syringe, take 1 ml and apply to skin. Use the minimum dose (1 pump / 1ml? ) for 5 weeks (or as long as you use an oral), later 1ml mornings, 1 ml before bed (double dose).
If you did not buy LGD, consider using S4. It may have some mild vision sides, but they go away later. Look up dosages and switch it out for LGD.

I would not use td trest before workouts, you sweat it out, dude. Split dosages and always use it mornings after shower, and before bed after shower.

Another thing:
Please take my dosage and compound advise seriously, do not fiddle with dosages -or skip ancillaries, because of a lack of money. Have ALL ingredients ready before starting the cycle, including PCT. ALL OF THEM. If you don't have exemestane, after PCT ends = maybe TITS. Got it?

 

[hairygrandpa]

Haha! Nac was quicker!

 

[SDPonce63]

Most users use a syringe to apply TD trest, because every pump is inaccurate. For instance, if label says 1 pump = 1ml, use a syringe, take 1 ml and apply to skin. Use the minimum dose (1 pump / 1ml? ) for 5 weeks (or as long as you use an oral), later 1ml mornings, 1 ml before bed (double dose).
If you did not buy LGD, consider using S4. It may have some mild vision sides, but they go away later. Look up dosages and switch it out for LGD.

I would not use td trest before workouts, you sweat it out, dude. Split dosages and always use it mornings after shower, and before bed after shower.

Another thing:
Please take my dosage and compound advise seriously, do not fiddle with dosages -or skip ancillaries, because of a lack of money. Have ALL ingredients ready before starting the cycle, including PCT. ALL OF THEM. If you don't have exemestane, after PCT ends = maybe TITS. Got it?

10/4! No tits. Is exemstane 4 weeks?

 

[Nac]

I see 50mg is idea test base for transdermal. So 25mg AM and 25 PM. Would I keep that at 50mg even though I would be using 30mg oral trest?

Ive found 25mg is sufficient as a base with other compounds, but ultimately up to you. The oral has a half life of less than 1hr, so I would treat the two as very different in terms of dosing/function; ie in this scenario I wouldnt consider them additive.

 

[Karlrobert]

Pretty much everything hairy grandpa just said ! lol. I wouldn't add the lgd into the mix like he said- Save it. The TD trest acetate works for me as a base @10-15 mg twice a day. You may be different. You could run it higher and improve gains but risk more sides. I also like to run it 2 weeks after my oral PH runs out then pct. And make sure your pct is in place before you start. Hope all goes well!

 

[hairygrandpa]

10/4! No tits. Is exemstane 4 weeks?

Read protocol, its for after PCT to prevent rebound. You'll need very little. Always good to have it in the fridge.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Last comment:

NUTRITION will decide the outcome.
-if strength goes up, do not ego lift. IMHO, high volume is key -not max weight.
Read about GVT (German Volume Training), IMHO the best for results on cycle.