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It is from legal gear they have two types one for cutting and one for bulking has anyone tried this? I was looking for any info anyone had either tried or just an explanation how it works and are there any sides? Also is there anything else out there that is comperable?
 

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Why bother with that garbage? The only side effect I know is that there are nosebleeds from it for some people. Some people also get rashes. Its expensive. I think 6OXO is the only hormone thats worth it thats legal.
 

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Because for whatever reason, its not suppressive and the Testosterone levels eventually even out when you stop taking it.
 

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i dunno, it was all hype and doesnt seem to be delivering, read up on the bodybuilding.com boards, there was a million threads on it a while back
 

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I'm using it currently and if nothing else my muscles are holding more water
Seems to me like it is doing more though
 
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I'm using it currently and if nothing else my muscles are holding more water
Seems to me like it is doing more though
Yeah,

HEy Drew are doing a log on it? Did you buy yours or did E-Dog hook you up?

I was a tester for the early versions. I dunno how much the forumla differs from what I tested, to what actually is sold in retail, but the stuff I used was actually pretty good ****. First two weeks I mainly seemed to be holding water, but then suddenly my strength strated to really shoot up, and from them on our my workouts were great, strength always increasing. I am thinking about trying it again after I am done cycling some CEE.
 

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nah no log on this, and E-dog didn't hook me up
I am keeping my beginning stats though, and I could just give everyone a rundown when I am through
 
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nah no log on this, and E-dog didn't hook me up
I am keeping my beginning stats though, and I could just give everyone a rundown when I am through
Sweet, how long have you been using it? By the way, you getting any rashes or skin irritation? I never did but I heard other did. Also, not to get too personal, but how is your libido? I had a few tell me it hurt their libido....
 

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I heard of way too many cases of full-blown rashes to even consider trying that junk for a second. As I tend to suffer from those kind same symtoms on transdermal products after prolonged use, I'd have to be completely out of my mind to touch product "X" with a ten foot pole.
 

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Sweet, how long have you been using it? By the way, you getting any rashes or skin irritation? I never did but I heard other did. Also, not to get too personal, but how is your libido? I had a few tell me it hurt their libido....
I have been using it for about a week now, and I am up 5 pounds(water). I look leaner though and my muscles feel tighter which leads me to believe the water is in the muscle. I have been getting some rashes and skin irritation, but this has only been after I applied about 4 times straight in the same place(forearms). Any irritations I have got disappears after about 15-20 minutes. I will let you guys know if it gets worse. If you have sensitive skin, I could see this being a pain in the ass. My libido is through the roof, but I have been using a trib and ZMA product before bed so I can't give an accurate assesment of that.
 

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most have just put the weight/water gain on the sodium in the product, he's making an ecdy free version for australia, we'll see how that works out, but IMO this is just another hype product, just like N02, really not worth it, it'll be a thing of the past if it isn't already
 

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The first time I went through 1 bottle and about a week of a second bottle my strength went up and my weight increased but I was getting annoyed with bloat so i ended it. It seemed like the first 3 weeks or so were good increases and then it kind of tapered off after that. (2 months ago)

I started back on Dermasize a Jan 19 and my strength has gone up again and my weight is up about 5 pounds, but I look a little leaner and bigger actually and I haven't noticed any bloat yet.
 
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I've been using Dermasize for a few days...I'll let you guys know how i progress
 

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I am a big fan of Product X Dermasize (the transdermal.) Have no idea about the pill form.
 
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I am a big fan of Product X Dermasize (the transdermal.) Have no idea about the pill form.
what kind of gains did you get off it? I'm in PCT and taking dermasize along with SNS CVM extreme and CE2 and I'm getting great strength gains still
 

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what kind of gains did you get off it? I'm in PCT and taking dermasize along with SNS CVM extreme and CE2 and I'm getting great strength gains still
That's almost exactly my story. I used M1,4add and 1-test Estergels for eight weeks. During that time I broke into new territory in terms of strength and (I think) size (I don't obsess over measurements...all I can say for sure is that I felt full and suits were getting tighter in the right spots.)

Then I came off with tamoxifen and Product X. First week I had no strength gains, but lost nothing in terms of size or strength either. Second week through the seventh week my strength climbed and I kept getting bigger (with a little bloat, too.) Squat, from beginning of PCT through seven weeks on Product X, went up 40 lbs. (225x10 to 265x10...this is after sets of leg extensions/curls to failure...I can't squat first otherwise my knees start to bother me) and narrow grip press went up 10 lbs. (225x10 to 235x10...I can't do a normal grip bench press because it bothers my shoulders, so I do weighted dips then narrow grip press.) Every exercise was up pretty dramatically, and like I said, I was in all new territory so this wasn't a guy reaching old personal bests. I was pretty excited about the numbers I was putting up...may not seem like alot to some...but I was gaining strength every workout and faster than I ever had on PH's.

Now here's what I don't know...I'm not sure how well I would've retained those strength/size gains after coming off. Right after the seventh week on Product X I got a real bad intestinal virus. I threw up for two days and didn't feel quite right again for about three weeks. I ate like garbage, if at all, and didn't have the physical strength to train. A little over four weeks after getting the virus, I got back in the groove of training hard. It has been two weeks and I'm not where I was...I'm at 235x9 in the squat and 230x9 in the narrow grip press. That's just about where I was before I started using Product X.

I just started using it again...last night was the first application. We'll see what the next eight weeks brings me. I will say that putting the **** on is a pain in the ass.
 
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I just started using it again...last night was the first application. We'll see what the next eight weeks brings me. I will say that putting the **** on is a pain in the ass.
I'll agree there, its so much liquid
 

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