Kings Slayer vs Vector (vs Superdrol)

[Wobmarvel]

Hi guys, as some may know I have just had a non starter of a cycle experience over on the anabolics forum which I will retry at a future date. In the meantime I was thinking of something to log over the next few weeks. Something that would still allow me to eat more and get away with a few drinks over the Xmas period.

As you can see by the title I have chosen King's Slayer by Olympus Labs. Months ago I ran vector to see what all the fuss was about. I didn't notice any dramatic changes in body composition but did get fairly drastic strength increases. My goal here is to run KS under similar conditions and simply compare the two. I know this topic had been doing the rounds for a while now (vector threads are soooo 6 months ago) but there is never a shortage of people interested in these products.

Incidentally I also ran an SD and Lgd cycle a few months back too and so I want to log the differences between a natty mass builder and SD when on a similar calorie surplus etc. Is superdrol really worth the sides and expensive support sups etc?

Lets find out.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

I’ve never tried kings slayer or vector, but I highly doubt either would come close to superdrol lol

 

[Wobmarvel]

I would think not too. I'm not trying to suggest they will only that I will be in a position to comment on it having tried all three. There are people out there who would say natty sups are a waste of time, but have never tried them. There are people that say prohormones are a waste of time, but have never tried them. I just feel ill be in a position to give anecdotal "evidence" of the pros and cons of all three. It's not going to be scientific, it's not going to be meticulous (I'm not thesolution) but for anyone wanting to put on size and is on the fence about going the prohormone route I want to be able to give personal experience on one of the most recent natural "mass builders" brought to market.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

I would think not too. I'm not trying to suggest they will only that I will be in a position to comment on it having tried all three. There are people out there who would say natty sups are a waste of time, but have never tried them. There are people that say prohormones are a waste of time, but have never tried them. I just feel ill be in a position to give anecdotal "evidence" of the pros and cons of all three. It's not going to be scientific, it's not going to be meticulous (I'm not thesolution) but for anyone wanting to put on size and is on the fence about going the prohormone route I want to be able to give personal experience on one of the most recent natural "mass builders" brought to market.

Let me save you a little time on the study...

1.) 17-a alkylated Pro-hormones are not, they are designer oral steroids.. This includes Superdrol, DMZ, Epistane, M1T, Halo, and more. The term was just clever loop hole marketing. They all work. Same as Winstrol or other older orals steroids that work awesome, but will have some liver toxicity.

Other prohormones that are say two-step "conversions" to Test, or even 1-step, without the right pathway need "liposomal" or other creative way to survive oral digestion, need higher dose or are largely fake sci-marketing... 1/4 andros might be a mild exception.

Not discouraging the study, I recently had to go Natty, until I get a TRT script... And my first few go around with lifting 1-2 years at a.clip in my 20s made good Natty gains, but my diet and training was also immature. 3rd go around 35-38 years old and training, diet, and yes oral PHs and later real gear made a good difference, surpassed upper limits I had set for myself a long time ago.

So I am still looking for the best "naturally derived" muscle builders have to offer, now again a decade+ later - but I have no illusion they will rock my world like Superdrol/DMZ or Tren Ace or even a good Test mix base. Nor dramatically help my knee and lower back heal like Equipoise with TRT can do, nor shred my Abs, while adding lean muscle like Winstrol, etc.

Most effective Natty supps I've ever used so far creatine (duh), Yohimbine, Tribulus, Cirtuline, Betaine, and some natural vasodilators... But then I could just take Cialis, for that vaso effect lol.

Open to new ideas though. Let's see what Vector or others can really do.

Anyone try Chemical X (19-nor) or Chemical 4 (4-andro) from Chaos and Pain? Not Natty, but legal OTC...

 

[Wobmarvel]

Let me save you a little time on the study...

1.) 17-a alkylated Pro-hormones are not, they are designer oral steroids.. This includes Superdrol, DMZ, Epistane, M1T, Halo, and more. The term was just clever loop hole marketing. They all work. Same as Winstrol or other older orals steroids that work awesome, but will have some liver toxicity.

Other prohormones that are say two-step "conversions" to Test, or even 1-step, without the right pathway need "liposomal" or other creative way to survive oral digestion, need higher dose or are largely fake sci-marketing... 1/4 andros might be a mild exception.

Not discouraging the study, I recently had to go Natty, until I get a TRT script... And my first few go around with lifting 1-2 years at a.clip in my 20s made good Natty gains, but my diet and training was also immature. 3rd go around 35-38 years old and training, diet, and yes oral PHs and later real gear made a good difference, surpassed upper limits I had set for myself a long time ago.

So I am still looking for the best "naturally derived" muscle builders have to offer, now again a decade+ later - but I have no illusion they will rock my world like Superdrol/DMZ or Tren Ace or even a good Test mix base. Nor dramatically help my knee and lower back heal like Equipoise with TRT can do, nor shred my Abs, while adding lean muscle like Winstrol, etc.

Most effective Natty supps I've ever used so far creatine (duh), Yohimbine, Tribulus, Cirtuline, Betaine, and some natural vasodilators... But then I could just take Cialis, for that vaso effect lol.

Open to new ideas though. Let's see what Vector or others can really do.

Anyone try Chemical X (19-nor) or Chemical 4 (4-andro) from Chaos and Pain? Not Natty, but legal OTC...

I'm a big fan of yohimbine hcl. Thanks for your input. I'm not doing a study as such, I have simply decided to run King's Slayer and would like to share my experience for anyone interested. I realise I'm not doing anything original or groundbreaking here and I'm not trying to see if it matches up to superdrol as such. I will simply be in a position to give my comparisons.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Damn! I paid extra to get my king Slayer delivered today so I can start tomorrow but my wife was taking my kids to a birthday party and missed it so its gonna be Tuesday now.

 

[Chamaan]

In for this interesting topic

 

[BEAST73]

SUB!

 

[f4iguy]

I'm subbed.

 

[BennyMagoo79]

Im in

 

[JulzRulz]

Sub'd.

 

[City Boy]

Subbed

 

[Wobmarvel]

Current supp recommendation alien energy by insane labs, great for sipping on throughout the day, contains caffeine and beta alanine (which I prefer to take throughout the day anyway). Currently £10 from a certain website I can't mention... Cos I just don't have the power <ahem>

 

[ELROCK]

Interested in the comparing the two also. I had a really good run with Vector. I am not sure when I will start KS (hopefully soon) Looking forward to your log bro.

 

[Borashi]

I'm intrigued

 

[Wobmarvel]

That's KS in the house. Along with my stock up of protein flapjacks and whey concentrate.
Will start it tomorrow. 6 pills per day with my lunchtime meal. Other supps used are fish oil, whey, creatine mono and I use a sleep supplement every second or third day (outbreak nutrition). I am also sipping on amino energy or alien energy throughout the day.

I went over my diet on my other thread but will try and get it nailed down tomorrow. After being ill recently its taken a few days to get my appetite back.

 

[Wobmarvel]

So first dose has been taken. So far it's done great for my ability to produce very bad wind.

Could be coincidence but if it isn't I may split the dose to 3 pills twice per day instead of all at once.

 

[ELROCK]

So first dose has been taken. So far it's done great for my ability to produce very bad wind.

Could be coincidence but if it isn't I may split the dose to 3 pills twice per day instead of all at once.

I think it’s a better idea in general if you split the dosing up (2-3x per day).

 

[jtmass]

I am in too. KS looks good

 

[Sparta12]

I got much better results with KS than I did with Vector... both bulking

 

[ELROCK]

I got much better results with KS than I did with Vector... both bulking

How so?

 

[Sparta12]

How so?

Better pumps, less fat gain and slightly more muscle gain

 

[ironkill]

I got much better results with KS than I did with Vector... both bulking

I had the opposite experience. Didn't get much out of KS but really like the vector run. Individual differences I suppose. Lots of good input here

 

[LeanEngineer]

Sweet. In on this!

 

[Wobmarvel]

So I've tried splitting ks to 2 pills three times a day and the wind problems were gone but I've decided to revert back to 6 with one meal. I don't like the idea of not following the recommended guidelines. I don't want it not to work and have a rep say "you were not even taking them properly"

I have started noticing more cravings for carbs (glad I'm not cutting). Appetite in general seems to be increased. Could be coincidence, only been on them for 4 days.

Sleep quality seems to be better. I am not relying on my rufuge as much as I was and seem to be sleeping better through the night. Didn't think ks was anything to do with sleep quality though so not sure what that's all about.

Workouts are a push pull legs split, working out 4 times a week. So far this week my workouts have consisted of legs (squats and deadlifts, I get deadlifts are a back thing but I include them in legs because I really feel them in my hamstrings the way I do them, light weight for high reps), pull consisted of pull ups, bent over barbell rows, superset of chin ups with drag curls. Push consisted of giant set of dumbell flyes, dips and incline dumbell press then supersets of seated overhead press with lateral raises (not pushing I know).

I don't train abs, didn't do this at all when I was cutting either.

Still need to update with diet but still locking it down.

Generally its:-

7am Protein weetabix with full fat milk.

9am protein shake, apple, flapjack (protein shake includes oatmeal, banana and almond milk there's over 1000 cals here)

12 midday, chicken, apple, flapjack.

7pm dinner is various things just now.

That's my last meal unless it's a workout night in which case I have a post workout meal (Greek yogurt, peanut butter and whey)

Calories are around 3000 slightly higher on workout days. Maintenence is about 2750 so I'm clearly in a surplus. I'm aiming for a healthy surplus and don't mind losing definition in my midsection.

After my 4 week run of this I will be reattempting my anabolics cycle so will try and trim away fat and hold onto muscle then.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

So I've tried splitting ks to 2 pills three times a day and the wind problems were gone but I've decided to revert back to 6 with one meal. I don't like the idea of not following the recommended guidelines. I don't want it not to work and have a rep say "you were not even taking them properly"

I have started noticing more cravings for carbs (glad I'm not cutting). Appetite in general seems to be increased. Could be coincidence, only been on them for 4 days.

Sleep quality seems to be better. I am not relying on my rufuge as much as I was and seem to be sleeping better through the night. Didn't think ks was anything to do with sleep quality though so not sure what that's all about.

Workouts are a push pull legs split, working out 4 times a week. So far this week my workouts have consisted of legs (squats and deadlifts, I get deadlifts are a back thing but I include them in legs because I really feel them in my hamstrings the way I do them, light weight for high reps), pull consisted of pull ups, bent over barbell rows, superset of chin ups with drag curls. Push consisted of giant set of dumbell flyes, dips and incline dumbell press then supersets of seated overhead press with lateral raises (not pushing I know).

I don't train abs, didn't do this at all when I was cutting either.

Still need to update with diet but still locking it down.

Generally its:-

7am Protein weetabix with full fat milk.

9am protein shake, apple, flapjack (protein shake includes oatmeal, banana and almond milk there's over 1000 cals here)

12 midday, chicken, apple, flapjack.

7pm dinner is various things just now.

That's my last meal unless it's a workout night in which case I have a post workout meal (Greek yogurt, peanut butter and whey)

Calories are around 3000 slightly higher on workout days. Maintenence is about 2750 so I'm clearly in a surplus. I'm aiming for a healthy surplus and don't mind losing definition in my midsection.

After my 4 week run of this I will be reattempting my anabolics cycle so will try and trim away fat and hold onto muscle then.

I am unsure if there was an error by the graphics person on that batches label, but we recommend splitting the 6 caps throughout the day - preferably 2 caps 20 mins prior to each meal.

 

[ELROCK]

I think OL and one of the formulators mentioned the label is incorrect. Hopefully a OL rep can confirm. I would split the dosing up to 2-3x per day instead of all at once.

Edit: I see NAH already chimed in with his advice.

 

[Wobmarvel]

I am unsure if there was an error by the graphics person on that batches label, but we recommend splitting the 6 caps throughout the day - preferably 2 caps 20 mins prior to each meal.

Cool, three times a day it is.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Looking at the label and based on what you advise that's about as wrong as a label can get.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Says take with food and not 20 mins before so that's on a full stomach as opposed to empty along with suggesting the full dose in one sitting.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Bodyweight update 188 lbs this morning, although that was after breakfast and before a sh1t. So last time I actually weighed myself was just before my failed start up anabolic cycle so I recon I have gained 2 to 3 pounds in two weeks which is a gain rate I'm happy with. One pound per week would be ideal for me. This will obviously be controlled through diet but let's see how much of my abs are showing once I've gained a few.

 

[BEAST73]

Looking Good Bro!

 

[Wobmarvel]

Looking Good Bro!

Thanks, I'm one of those guys who kinda looks thin whatever. I'm 6 foot and skinny with very long limbs, even when I'm "fat" I can put on a long sleeve top and look like a slim guy. I'm definitely the definition of ectomorph (even though that apparently doesn't exist) I weighed under 150 lbs in my early twenties and could eat junk food all day without putting on weight. I definitely hide weight well, that's me almost 190 lbs and I have really skinny legs too.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Ever had that feeling that it's time to buy more weight plates...

 

[BEAST73]

Ever had that feeling that it's time to buy more weight plates... View attachment 176307

Yep. You can always add more reps to your workout sessions.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Yep. You can always add more reps to your workout sessions.

True, its also why I do a lot of supersets etc.

 

[Smont]

Seriously? You want to log a natty comparison log to one of the strongest steroids there is lol.

Im gonna log how a slingshot compares to a rocket launcher.

No natty supps really do much of anything noticable after using real gear so dont expct much. You will see more out of creatine then these other natty anabolics.

 

[Bagofturdwind]

Seriously? You want to log a natty comparison log to one of the strongest steroids there is lol.

Im gonna log how a slingshot compares to a rocket launcher.

No natty supps really do much of anything noticable after using real gear so dont expct much. You will see more out of creatine then these other natty anabolics.

Yeah I don’t really get this either. I’ve tried Vector and KS. They’re okay. If you’re expecting big things, they’ll disappoint. I, and others, could compare them to each other. But to imply there are comparisons to hormonal supps is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Yeah I don’t really get this either. I’ve tried Vector and KS. They’re okay. If you’re expecting big things, they’ll disappoint. I, and others, could compare them to each other. But to imply there are comparisons to hormonal supps is absolutely ridiculous.

I'm not, I explained that earlier. The superdrol bits just click bait. (not really as I will have tried all three) superdrol pros, feel like a beast the first week, gain size quickly in all the right places. Cons, feel like your gonna die from then on, horrific bowel movements, gains not keep able without further cycles of anabolics. Is king Slayer or vector a viable alternative in any way whatsoever? Maybe. I wasn't intending the log to be a "which is more effective" more about which I genuinely prefer based on pros and cons... Still not sure if that makes sense.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Weirdest workout ever tonight, deads and squats, decided to workout whilst the kids were still up and had to go downstairs and breakup fortnite arguments between each set... Still beat the log book though.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Update. Appetite is definitely increasing. Also (and this is too much information for some so look away now if you don't want to be disgusted) bowel movements are amazing. By that I mean regular as clockwork, daily and... Er... Impressive? I did not get this with vector. I am one of those people that tend to get clogged up and go every few days but King Slayer seems to have my digestive system running like clockwork. Not only am I eating more without any bloat I really feel as though my body is taking what it needs from the food and clearing out the garbage much more efficiently. And I don't mean in a laxitive way. Weird statements I know but I want to be thorough with my feedback.

Tonight was pull workout so same as before. I am beating the log book but I'm not posting poundages because I'm still working up from my post op recovery and some exercises I'm not going to failure yet I can add 10lbs to the bar since last workout as I get more confident I'm not going to sprain anything.

I'm still not utilising my weight belt yet as it aggravates my hernia scar but once I start getting into pb territory you will all be the first to know.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Update, not getting the sleep and rest I should be just now because family are ill with colds and kids are up through the night with bad coughs. Not quiting or anything but it's getting harder to put 100% into training when I work out at 9 pm, have been on my feet at work all day in retail during Xmas time and I've only had 4 hours sleep the night before. As the late great Rich Piana would say "whatever it takes, right babe?"

 

[jtmass]

Man. I miss Rich Piana Videos. I know how it is when you kids are unwell and work is hectic. I wouldn’t push too hard. Get some sleep when you can. Hope your kids get well soon

 

[Wobmarvel]

So no workout tonight. 9:40 pm and I'm laying in a double bed with my 4 year old who's just dropping off. Ive taken a hefty dose of sleep supplement so here's hoping he sleeps through the night and I should get a good 8 hours in.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Boom 8 hours sleep. Man sleep is by far the best supplement. Hopefully kids will settle down earlier tonight and I can crack on with the push workout. May try adding the weight belt for dips again.

Diet is still a surplus with most meals Consistent. A few Xmas snacks creeping in. Lower bellyfat definitely increasing but not an issue. I would rather give kingslayer the calories to work with then use the anabolics to recomp at the end. Didn't weigh in this morning but will try and remember tomorrow.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Aaah remember tomorrow a great Maiden song... But I digress.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Man. I miss Rich Piana Videos.

Same here! It was just entertaining to watch his videos and hear his thoughts on different topics and he always gave it straight up no filter...Who's the next Rich Piana in the youtube game?

 

[Wobmarvel]

Quick update 189.5 lbs this morning so increasing steadily. Not noticing strength/endurance like I did with vector, struggling with the weights just now but could be attributed to recent lack of sleep affecting recovery. Still have healthy appetite though plus aggression seems increased, I am quite short tempered just now (again could be lack of sleep) and libido seems boosted which isn't even a claim of the product but again, just logging the things I notice. May squeeze in a leg workout today but that's me entering Xmas mode now so for the next two days there will be snacks, sweets and drink (hardly ever drink but I will have a few at Xmas). Back to the grindstone at 8 am boxing day, gotta love working in retail.

 

[Wobmarvel]

Well no workout today. That's the kids off to sleep so time for a couple of drinks then it's operation stealth santa.

Have a great Christmas everyone.

 

[jtmass]

Well no workout today. That's the kids off to sleep so time for a couple of drinks then it's operation stealth santa.

Have a great Christmas everyone.

My son is 2.5yrs old. Just getting to understand the entire Christmas and Santa thing. I stashed a lot of chocolates under his pillow and in the AM asked him look under his pillow. He was just ecstatic.