The Solution is Cannibal PermaSwole with Chaos and Pain

[The Solution]

Chaos and Pain Cannibal PermaSwole

Taste

Green Apple Hulk – If you know me Green Apple is my #1 Flavor for flavored products on the market. When I got the chance to get my hands on this I had high expectations. I have never had a Chaos and pain product before but they did a good job. The initial rush of Green Apple is a bit on the tart side like taking a fresh bite out of an apple. There is a small lingering aftertaste, but the hulk really stands for IMO the initial burst of flavor you get from the first sip. I personally feel this is a good name for the product because green apples usually have more of a tarty flavor to them just like this product does.

Mixability

I like to play around with Mixability and dosing to see what my sweet spot is. Because this is a first time review I wanted to try and do this with 1 scoop only to start as suggested by the label and then re-assess. I tried 8-10-12 oz with 1 scoop of the product and each time it mixed perfectly fine. After about 10-15 seconds of shaking there was no particles floating around and everything was dissolved.


Formula

L-Citrulline is 2g, which is a little low for a one serving product most studies show 6-8g is the optimal range to get the full benefits of this sole ingredient, that is not to say you could stack something with the PermaSwole or bulk to reach that. But this does aid lactic acid build up and performance.

500mg Agmatine → A pump agent and also a nutrient partioniner. This is a great bulk item to add for a non-stim to help with pump and also shuttle nutrients, those who add a bulk of carbs around their workout may notice this and how it helps amplify the pump in the presence of carbs.

1.5g BA which helps aid performance and endurance during training, a split dose that is upward to 3.2-4g of BA is optimal, and at 1.5 that is very close to a good amount

250mg Creatinol-O-Phosphate, while this is not creatine per say it does help with performance and endurance by how it is broken down in the system.

200mg L-Norvaline I have personally responded well to as far as small enhancement in pumps and also nutrient shuttling (Seen in GDA’s)

200mg Pomegranate is a powerful anti-oxidant that is added to the formula,

150mg Resveratrol is used to help with performance enhancement not only training, but also cardio as well.

10g Niacin, some do not enjoy this because they breakout in a red state on their face (Niacin Flush) but this can help with many health benefits (Cholesterol) and an anti-oxidant effect.

Workout Reaction

Being a non-stim pre-workout it will be hard to even guage anything relating to energy, so for this I am going to key in on my pump, vascularity, and also how I respond as far as endurance and performance goes due to the fact of BA, L-Citrulline in the product, and Creatinol O Phosphate. Starting with 1 scoop and then assessing for a few workouts and then going to jump to 1.5-2 for some to see the major difference with the increase in ingredients in the formula. That is primary focus of this log and how it does effect my workouts.



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[Rocket3015]

I Am In !!

 

[scope75]

In.....

 

[travwj]

In as well, and thanks for explaining what each ingredient is supposed to do. Great start, let's see how it works.

 

[Rocket3015]

I'm thinking I would like this at around 2 scoops

 

[The Solution]

I'm thinking I would like this at around 2 scoops

at 2 scoops this log would be short (17 days)
i want to make sure i give this company a VERY Fair assessment on using 1-1.5-2 scoops in several cirumstances

upon waking fasted and also in a fed state
i want to make sure i split up evenly between both to see the difference and also see how i feel, see the difference in the gym, different in pump, and also the difference in performance(BA, COP, CM especially)

at 2 scoops you get a great amount of CM at 4g
3g BA
1g Agmatine

500mg COP which will help performance and endurance a lot
not to mention Norvaline can aid pump and nutrient partitioning just like agmatine which is why i really like this product. It will help shuttle those nutrients around your pre/post workout meals if you train in a fed state.

 

[The Solution]

lets all toss these up too
Current BW Around 172

 

[scope75]

Damn those legs.....

 

[orangewaldo]

subbeedbebdbebebbedd

 

[Driven2lift]

In for another Solution quest to grow

 

[The Solution]

In for another Solution quest to grow

Cutting for the arnold bro.

 

[Driven2lift]

Cutting for the arnold bro.

To grow in awesomeness...?

 

[pyrobatt]

I'm in this bish! BTW. It has 10mg of niacin. Don't worry people!

 

[Rocket3015]

Looking good my friend !

 

[804]

in for cutz

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 1 Day 4

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Bent Over DB Rows1:1:1:1)
80's x 15
90's x 12
100's 10
110's x 8

Paused Rack Deadlift: (2:2:1:1)
225 x 5
275 x 5
315 x 5
325 x 5
335 x 5
345 x 5

A1: Single Leg Leg Curl (3:1:1:1)
30 Each leg x 6 (3 Sets)

A2: Rope Face Pulls: (1:1:1:1)
100 x 12 (3 Sets)

Barbell Glute Bridge: (1:1;1:1)
315 x 10 (3 Sets)

DB Goblet Squat: (2:2:1:2)
70 x 8 (4 Sets)

6 Way Raises1:1:1:1)
10's x 8 (2 Sets)
10's x 8 + 20 Partials (2 Set)

B1: Standing Calf Raise (1:1:1:1)
225 x 10 (5 Sets)

B2: Tibia Raises
BW x 20 (5 Sets)


Post-Workout:

Cookies and Cream Waffles with a PB Lean Glaze:



Dosing
1 scoop pre-workout in a Fasted State

Minor pumps, nothing out of the ordinary but i know it will only get better as it increases.

 

[Rocket3015]

Nice work out..................but..YUM !

 

[804]

nice lift Bob!

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 1 Day 5

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Flat Hammer Strength Machine Bench Press: (3:1:1:1)
3 Plates/Side x 8 (4 Sets)

Incline Bench Press: (1:1:1:1)
230 x 8 (4 Sets)

A1ec Dec (1:1:1:1)
110 x 12 (5 Sets)

A2: Stretch Push Up (1:1:1:1)
BW x 20 (5 Sets)

B1:Neutral Grip Pulldown (2:1:1:1)
100 x 12 (4 Sets)

B2:Wide Grip Cable Pullover (2:1:1:1)
30 x 12 (4 Sets)

Banded Hyperextension: (2:1:1:2)
BW x 12 (4 Sets)

-Chest supported DB Shrugs: (1:2:1:2)
80's x 10 (3 Sets)

-Seated Calf Raise: (1:2:1:2)
2 Plates x 10 (5 Sets)


Post-Workout:

Chicken Alfredo:



Dosage

Sticking with 1 scoop for a few workouts before i add any more and give it a fair assessment. This was another AM Session and dosed right when i woke up and hit the weights. I may try and tinker with some bulk amento for a few workouts to see the difference, for now though i am fine with 0 stims when i train. little to no pump added because COP is pretty low, same with CM and BA in the dosing. Overall taste is solid at 8oz

 

[Rocket3015]

Workout looks good and food looks amazing !!

 

[The Solution]

Only a few workouts in so far, so not much to report in the grand scheme of things.
but today and tomorrow are off days i work 11 and 13 hour shifts. So no gym i go in before gym opens and get out after gym closes

will resume on monday!

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 2 Day 1

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Seated DB Front Lateral Raise: (1:1:1:2)
20's x 12 (3 Sets)

Over and Back Presses: (1:1:1:1)
95 x 8 (3 Sets)
95 x 10 (Failure Set)

Reverse Pec Dec: (1:1:1:1)
60 x 12 (3 Sets) + 10 Second Hold last rep
3 sets of 12 reps

A1: Rope Hammer Curl (3:1:1:2)
45 x 8 (3 Sets)

A2:Cable Curls (3:1:1:2)
60 x 8 (3 Sets)

Kneeling Overhead Rope Extension: (3:1:1:2)
80 x 8(3 Sets)

Smith Machine Close Grip Bench Press: (3:1:1:1)
185 x 8 (4 Sets)

B1:Machine Preacher Curls (1:1:1:1)
30 Each Hand x 12 (3 Sets)

B2:Close Grip Push-Ups
BW x 20 (3 Sets)

Post-Workout:

MTS No Bake Cookie Protein Cookies:




Still Rocking 1 scoop, want to do it at least 4-5 times before switching to 1.5 and give it a fair crack
No real changes at 1 scoop upon waking in a fasted state

 

[Rocket3015]

Cookies Look Great

 

[travwj]

Cookies Look Great

Yes they do, got a recipe and macros...should I look in the cooking with whey topic?

 

[The Solution]

Yes they do, got a recipe and macros...should I look in the cooking with whey topic?

They are there and the video is on my YouTube

Bkupniewski

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 2 Day 2

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Seated Leg Curl: (1:1:1:1)
110 x 10 (3 Sets)
110 x 10 ---> 80 x 15 + 25 Partials

Single Leg Leg Presses: (1:1:1:1)
2 Plates/side x 15 (3 Sets)

A1:Smith Machine Lunges: (3:3:1:1)
135 x 8 (4 Sets)

A2: Smith Machine Squats (1:1:1:1)
225 x 8 (4 Sets)

BB SLDL: (3:2:1:2)
230 x 8 (4 Sets)

Leg Ext: 1 working set
20 Each Leg x 35 + 10 + 7 (Rest Pause) + 10 Partials

Post-Workout:

Cellucor Low - Carb Peanut Butter Marshmallow Pancakes:




Day 4 --> 1 Scoop
Want to ride this out for 5 days to see if i notice any differences or changes, so far with most ingredients on the low side for 1 scoop it shows little to no benefit, but i still got another day. I can really see 1.5 - 2 really providie some great benefits with a legit dose of CM, BA, Agmatine, and also a higher end dose of COP (still low at 1g)

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 2 Day 3

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Bent Over DB Rows1:1:1:1)
80's x 15
90's x 12
100's 10
110's x 8

Paused Rack Deadlift: (2:2:1:1)
225 x 5
275 x 5
315 x 5
325 x 5
335 x 5
345 x 5

A1: Single Leg Leg Curl (3:1:1:1)
30 Each leg x 6 (3 Sets)

A2: Rope Face Pulls: (1:1:1:1)
100 x 12 (3 Sets)

Barbell Glute Bridge: (1:1;1:1)
315 x 10 (3 Sets)

DB Goblet Squat: (2:2:1:2)
70 x 8 (4 Sets)

6 Way Raises1:1:1:1)
10's x 8 (2 Sets)
10's x 8 + 20 Partials (2 Set)

B1: Standing Calf Raise (1:1:1:1)
225 x 10 (5 Sets)

B2: Tibia Raises
BW x 20 (5 Sets)


Post-Workout:

Cellucor Cinnamon Swirl Banana Bread Muffins:



Last day of 1 scoop. Again not much change or anything to note. Yes a bit of density and muscle hardness, but nothing crazy. I felt my legs blow up most yesterday when doing HIIT, my quads turned red!!!

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 2 Day 4

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Flat Hammer Strength Machine Bench Press: (3:1:1:1)
3 Plates +25/Side x 8 (4 Sets)

Incline Bench Press: (1:1:1:1)
230 x 8 (4 Sets)

A1ec Dec (1:1:1:1)
110 x 12 (5 Sets)

A2: Stretch Push Up (1:1:1:1)
BW x 20 (5 Sets)

B1:Neutral Grip Pulldown (2:1:1:1)
110 x 12 (4 Sets)

B2:Wide Grip Cable Pullover (2:1:1:1)
30 x 12 (4 Sets)

Banded Hyperextension: (2:1:1:2)
BW x 12 (4 Sets)

-Chest supported DB Shrugs: (1:2:1:2)
80's x 10 (3 Sets)

-Seated Calf Raise: (1:2:1:2)
2 Plates x 10 (5 Sets)


Post-Workout:

Cellucor S'mores Stuffed French Toast:



1.5 scoops
a bit better on endurance and performance (COP), pump was a bit more notificable, and the flavoring was pretty dang good at 1.5 scoops. Very dense and packed with green apple flavor. Mmmmm. i liked today and felt great in the gym

 

[804]

that looks incredible

 

[The Solution]

that looks incredible

thats what mostly everyone says about my baked goods and cooking

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 2 Day 5

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Seated DB Front Lateral Raise: (1:1:1:2)
20's x 12 (3 Sets)

Over and Back Presses: (1:1:1:1)
95 x 8 (3 Sets)
95 x 10 (Failure Set)

Reverse Pec Dec: (1:1:1:1)
60 x 12 (3 Sets) + 10 Second Hold last rep
3 sets of 12 reps

A1: Rope Hammer Curl (3:1:1:2)
45 x 8 (3 Sets)

A2:Cable Curls (3:1:1:2)
60 x 8 (3 Sets)

Kneeling Overhead Rope Extension: (3:1:1:2)
80 x 8(3 Sets)

Smith Machine Close Grip Bench Press: (3:1:1:1)
185 x 8 (4 Sets)

B1:Machine Preacher Curls (1:1:1:1)
30 Each Hand x 12 (3 Sets)

B2:Close Grip Push-Ups
BW x 20 (3 Sets)

Post-Workout:

Haagen Dazs Tiramisu Ice Cream:


1.5 Scoops ... Felt good today, endurnace is up, and the over and backs were a killer. Noticed a bit less rest time overall from set to set and throughout the entire workout. No complains. Flavoring is good too

 

[804]

Nice lift Bob, and good looking gel-ah-toe as well

 

[The Solution]

Casey (A buddy from Labrada Nutrition) threw up a BW Deadlift Challenge, figured i would give it a go
BW is 171 and i have 170 on the bar
hit it for 40 times

[video=youtube;asCOjvSAmK8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asCOjvSAmK8[/video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asCOjvSAmK8

 

[Rocket3015]

Very Nice !! Congrats !

 

[The Solution]

BW For Bench tomorrow
Sat/Sunday are off days
no Product use...

Check in tomorrow!!!

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 3 Day 1

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Seated Leg Curl: (1:1:1:1)
110 x 10 (3 Sets)
110 x 10 ---> 80 x 15 + 25 Partials

Single Leg Leg Presses: (1:1:1:1)
2 Plates/side x 15 (3 Sets)

A1:Smith Machine Lunges: (3:3:1:1)
135 x 8 (4 Sets)

A2: Smith Machine Squats (1:1:1:1)
225 x 8 (4 Sets)

BB SLDL: (3:2:1:2)
230 x 8 (4 Sets)

Leg Ext: 1 working set
20 Each Leg x 35 + 10 + 7 (Rest Pause) + 10 Partials

Post-Workout:

Cellucor S'mores Protein Pudding Bowl:



Dose

1.5 Scoops. Again better pumps, better endurnance, and quicker rest between sets. NOt too bad at all. Enjoying this apple!

 

[804]

s'mores pudding looks great, nice session as well.

 

[The Solution]

BW Bench for Reps.
170 Pounds on the bar for 40 reps (Weigh 171)

[video=youtube;UEGd31t6bmM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEGd31t6bmM[/video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEGd31t6bmM

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 3 Day 2

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Bent Over DB Rows1:1:1:1)
80's x 15
90's x 12
100's 10
110's x 8

Paused Rack Deadlift: (2:2:1:1)
225 x 5
275 x 5
315 x 5
335 x 5
345 x 5
365 x 5

A1: Single Leg Leg Curl (3:1:1:1)
30 Each leg x 6 (3 Sets)

A2: Rope Face Pulls: (1:1:1:1)
100 x 12 (3 Sets)

Barbell Glute Bridge: (1:1;1:1)
315 x 10 (3 Sets)

DB Goblet Squat: (2:2:1:2)
70 x 8 (4 Sets)

6 Way Raises1:1:1:1)
10's x 8 (2 Sets)
10's x 8 + 20 Partials (2 Set)

B1: Standing Calf Raise (1:1:1:1)
225 x 10 (5 Sets)

B2: Tibia Raises
BW x 20 (5 Sets)


Post-Workout:

Salty Caramel Steve's Ice Cream:



Dose 1.5 Scoops

This is a great dose i cant wait to kick it to 2 to see the major difference. going to hit 1 more workout to make it 5 words outs 1, 1.5 and the rest two
That means almost half the tub is gone, so the rest of the log will go quick but i have very high hopes!!

 

[Rocket3015]

You are the King of Ice Cream !!

 

[The Solution]

no
i just enjoy moderation.

 

[Rocket3015]

I am going to have to make a trip to Meadows and it's all your fault!!

 

[The Solution]

OMG, rub it in.. Best place ever.

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 3 Day 3

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Flat Hammer Strength Machine Bench Press: (3:1:1:1)
4 Plates/Side x 8 (4 Sets)

Incline Bench Press: (1:1:1:1)
235 x 8 (4 Sets)

A1ec Dec (1:1:1:1)
110 x 12 (5 Sets)

A2: Stretch Push Up (1:1:1:1)
BW x 20 (5 Sets)

B1:Neutral Grip Pulldown (2:1:1:1)
110 x 12 (4 Sets)

B2:Wide Grip Cable Pullover (2:1:1:1)
30 x 12 (4 Sets)

Banded Hyperextension: (2:1:1:2)
BW x 12 (4 Sets)

-Chest supported DB Shrugs: (1:2:1:2)
80's x 10 (3 Sets)

-Seated Calf Raise: (1:2:1:2)
2 Plates x 10 (5 Sets)


Post-Workout:

Chicken Alfredo:



Dose 1.5 Scoops going to increase to 2 tomorrow and finish off the log in about a week or so with 2 scoops a serving cant wit to see the diffeence

 

[travwj]

This is like a food porn thread on it's own! You eat some great high protein meals. Interested to see how 2 scoops treat you.

 

[The Solution]

Yes sir thank you!!!

 

[Rocket3015]

Love the food pics. I may try to hire Bob as my personal chef !

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 3 Day 4

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Seated DB Front Lateral Raise: (1:1:1:2)
20's x 12 (3 Sets)

Over and Back Presses: (1:1:1:1)
95 x 8 (3 Sets)
95 x 10 (Failure Set)

Reverse Pec Dec: (1:1:1:1)
60 x 12 (3 Sets) + 10 Second Hold last rep
3 sets of 12 reps

A1: Rope Hammer Curl (3:1:1:2)
45 x 8 (3 Sets)

A2:Cable Curls (3:1:1:2)
60 x 8 (3 Sets)

Kneeling Overhead Rope Extension: (3:1:1:2)
80 x 8(3 Sets)

Smith Machine Close Grip Bench Press: (3:1:1:1)
185 x 8 (4 Sets)

B1:Machine Preacher Curls (1:1:1:1)
30 Each Hand x 12 (3 Sets)

B2:Close Grip Push-Ups
BW x 20 (3 Sets)

Post-Workout:

Cellucor Peanut Butter Chip S'mores Cookies:



2 Scoops
Much better pump, much better performance/endurnace. With agmatine close to 1g, COP 1g, and CM a bit higher this is a pretty well dosed product at 2 scoops.

 

[The Solution]

Inov8 Elite Performance
Mesocycle #19
Week 3 Day 5

Tempo Indication: Eccentricause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)

Seated Leg Curl: (1:1:1:1)
110 x 10 (3 Sets)
110 x 10 ---> 80 x 15 + 25 Partials

Single Leg Leg Presses: (1:1:1:1)
2 Plates/side x 15 (3 Sets)

A1:Smith Machine Lunges: (3:3:1:1)
135 x 8 (4 Sets)

A2: Smith Machine Squats (1:1:1:1)
225 x 8 (4 Sets)

BB SLDL: (3:2:1:2)
230 x 8 (4 Sets)

Leg Ext: 1 working set
20 Each Leg x 35 + 10 + 7 (Rest Pause) + 10 Partials

Post-Workout:

Red Velvet Pancakes:



2 Scoops
oh man, maybe a bad idea on a leg day to dose 2 scoops
Big pump, but great endurance and recovery during the session to boot
Mirror has changed a ton during this log even though its not even been 2 weeks. Diet is really on key and much leaner in mirror.

 

[804]

Great session... but WOW just wow those pancakes

:bigeyes: