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So I’m only on 200mg of cyp and 1mg of arimidex a week both split doses. I aromatize very quickly apparently and have some E sides now and again but the thing I can’t figure out is I get really pissed all the time now. Can’t tell if it’s E or DHT. For example my buddy at the gym wanted me to spot him while he did a heavy squat and at the bottom of his squat he looked like his back was gonna break and was struggling so I ****ing spotted him. He got upset and told me not to do that because he had it and got an attitude with me and I had to walk off because for some reason, even though it was stupid, I was absolutely ****ing ready to beat him into the ground. That’s not like me! I just let things roll off my back usually and haven’t had a temper in a long time and I notice it as I’m on TRT longer. I could give a hundred other examples at this point.
I’m getting little bouts of anxiety here and there and sometimes have kind of a mood swing into depression although it’s not as frequent as usual. Also still having some ED issues, mainly with going soft towards the end of sex. I’m laying around all day getting sad, anxious, pissy and my dick isn’t working right so I’m getting even more angry about this! Can someone help me? I am not able to get labs until my doc ships it with my test and all later next week. My AI is also mixed in with my test but they sent me .5mg arimidex capsules I can use if needed.
I took a shot of 100mg cyp/.5mg arimidex today as well as 250units of HCG if that helps.
 
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Could be everything, hormone fluctuations, high dht, high test, high E, low E, low T, low dht, all can make a guy cranky.
 
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Just need to goosfraabah ...
 
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If my trouser snake couldn't get hard I'd be sad, anxious, picky, etc. also. You said in another thread you tried viagra without it working. Tried anything else?

Just throwing this out there but have you ever tried phenibut? I had kind of a similar problem although not to the extent you are describing....couldn't get hard though. Wound up super tight.... Took pheni for a completely different reason but it was like it relaxed me enough to get out of my own head. Had an awesome time in the sheets that night and the problem went away...didnt think it was in my head but apparently it was. Just a thought

Otherwise, get yourself a fat sack of plants and chill out for an evening!
 

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If my trouser snake couldn't get hard I'd be sad, anxious, picky, etc. also. You said in another thread you tried viagra without it working. Tried anything else?

Just throwing this out there but have you ever tried phenibut? I had kind of a similar problem although not to the extent you are describing....couldn't get hard though. Wound up super tight.... Took pheni for a completely different reason but it was like it relaxed me enough to get out of my own head. Had an awesome time in the sheets that night and the problem went away...didnt think it was in my head but apparently it was. Just a thought

Otherwise, get yourself a fat sack of plants and chill out for an evening!
Never tried but it works on the GABA receptors similar to benzos right? I have Ativan I just don’t need it too often.
It’s not that I can’t get it hard, it’s that naturally I last for awhile and usually right before I get off I start to go soft which is a huge issue. I used to get ass every night and I work it to where the old lady doesn’t notice, but I do and it’s slowly getting worse. I’m getting lethargic through the day and I’m not getting that “I wanna tear my girls ass up” feeling anymore. I’m just beginning to get concerned there.
 
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Never tried but it works on the GABA receptors similar to benzos right? I have Ativan I just don’t need it too often.
It’s not that I can’t get it hard, it’s that naturally I last for awhile and usually right before I get off I start to go soft which is a huge issue. I used to get ass every night and I work it to where the old lady doesn’t notice, but I do and it’s slowly getting worse. I’m getting lethargic through the day and I’m not getting that “I wanna tear my girls ass up” feeling anymore. I’m just beginning to get concerned there.
We TRT guys know the ED problem. My remedy is 50-100mg proviron/d, if "Dingus points to my feet". Upping DHT brings him up. BUT, DHT may make you more aggressive too -and you can't stay always on DHT (well, some may do it anyways...).
 
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How is your Blood Pressure?
 
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So I’m only on 200mg of cyp and 1mg of arimidex a week both split doses. I aromatize very quickly apparently and have some E sides now and again but the thing I can’t figure out is I get really pissed all the time now. Can’t tell if it’s E or DHT. For example my buddy at the gym wanted me to spot him while he did a heavy squat and at the bottom of his squat he looked like his back was gonna break and was struggling so I ****ing spotted him. He got upset and told me not to do that because he had it and got an attitude with me and I had to walk off because for some reason, even though it was stupid, I was absolutely ****ing ready to beat him into the ground. That’s not like me! I just let things roll off my back usually and haven’t had a temper in a long time and I notice it as I’m on TRT longer. I could give a hundred other examples at this point.
I’m getting little bouts of anxiety here and there and sometimes have kind of a mood swing into depression although it’s not as frequent as usual. Also still having some ED issues, mainly with going soft towards the end of sex. I’m laying around all day getting sad, anxious, pissy and my dick isn’t working right so I’m getting even more angry about this! Can someone help me? I am not able to get labs until my doc ships it with my test and all later next week. My AI is also mixed in with my test but they sent me .5mg arimidex capsules I can use if needed.
I took a shot of 100mg cyp/.5mg arimidex today as well as 250units of HCG if that helps.

Are you sure it’s high E and not low E? This sounds like me when my estrogen starts to get low. High and low can feel almost identical but I tend to be more of a headcase and more irrational mood-wise and paranoid when mine is low. This is because when E starts to get low, especially with an AI blocking conversion, the excess testosterone has nothing to convert to but DHT.
 
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Are you sure it’s high E and not low E? This sounds like me when my estrogen starts to get low. High and low can feel almost identical but I tend to be more of a headcase and more irrational mood-wise and paranoid when mine is low. This is because when E starts to get low, especially with an AI blocking conversion, the excess testosterone has nothing to convert to but DHT.
I doubt that:
the excess testosterone has nothing to convert to but DHT
The question is: Goes DHT up when e2 is low?

My guess: If test doesn't have enough aromatase enzyme, it mostly binds to SHBG.

Anyone?
 

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My BP is a little higher than usual but nothing to freak out about. I don’t currently have a source for proviron or I’d give it a shot. E is definitely not low off 1mg of arimidex a week, it was at 28pg/ml last time I had blood drawn. Higher than I’m used to but technically still in range.
 
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We TRT guys know the ED problem. My remedy is 50-100mg proviron/d, if "Dingus points to my feet". Upping DHT brings him up. BUT, DHT may make you more aggressive too -and you can't stay always on DHT (well, some may do it anyways...).
Just curious, how does being on TRT cause ED? I figured it would promote raging boners since it always seems like guys who are running cycles involving test always talk about having such a high sex drive.
 
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Just curious, how does being on TRT cause ED? I figured it would promote raging boners since it always seems like guys who are running cycles involving test always talk about having such a high sex drive.
Nah. At the beginning of TRT maybe. I mean, its not that TRT causes ED. But it does not turn you into a pornstar.
 

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Just curious, how does being on TRT cause ED? I figured it would promote raging boners since it always seems like guys who are running cycles involving test always talk about having such a high sex drive.
At first a light breeze could hit me and I’d get hard lol my sex drive was absolutely insane on just 80mg and even more crazy on 100mg mainly because my test was completely bottomed out and I wasn’t used to it. At 200mg I expected the same but was a little underwhelmed. I guess it depends on you.
 
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My BP is a little higher than usual but nothing to freak out about. I don’t currently have a source for proviron or I’d give it a shot. E is definitely not low off 1mg of arimidex a week, it was at 28pg/ml last time I had blood drawn. Higher than I’m used to but technically still in range.
Obviously bloodwork is going to tell for sure, but it could be any number of things. I’m just saying that low E is definitely a possibility too. Some guys need more estrogen than other to feel good (maintain sex drive, energy, etc.) Arimidex dosages and estrogen levels are relative. Guys react differently to different drugs and different hormone levels. For instance, I need to be in the higher end of the normal range to feel good. I’ve also been on 400mg a week of test and 1.75mg of Arimidex a week puts my estrogen too low, over 2mg crashes it. And my body fat isn’t exactly low at 20%. 1.5mg was perfect at 400mg/week. Bottom line for me is always if I’m not puffy and holding extra water, it’s not high estrogen - it’s usually the opposite.
 
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lol my bad. Whatever way I came across wasn’t the way I intended to. I was just trying to help and share my experience.
I think his comment was directed to OP, the always angry guy. :)
 
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Getting any more or less acne than usual? High e2 definitely going to increase sebaceous production. How do your joints feel? Low e2 mine ache from hard training.

High e2 makes me cry at the sad parts in movies. Like legit drop a tear, which I never do. Anger could be high or low e2, but tearing up is only an estrogen or Clomid thing for me.

Watch the notebook or something and you basically have bloods in 2 hours
 

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Getting any more or less acne than usual? High e2 definitely going to increase sebaceous production. How do your joints feel? Low e2 mine ache from hard training.

High e2 makes me cry at the sad parts in movies. Like legit drop a tear, which I never do. Anger could be high or low e2, but tearing up is only an estrogen or Clomid thing for me.

Watch the notebook or something and you basically have bloods in 2 hours
Crazy acne on my back, shoulders, forearms, and all down my legs. Joints feel fine except for a long last shoulder injury. Dude I felt all emotional watching a video of this adopted dog today so yeah lol. The mood swings are wild. If I take .5 adex Monday and Thursday (injection days) how should I implement another .25 or .5?
 

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what if youre cranky when you arent on any anabolics
As soon as I figure out what’s up with these mood swings and acne I’ll be trying some more stuff so I guess we will see lol. I felt so much better at 16pg for my estrogen and at 28pg+ I just feel off, or at least that’s the only thing I can pin this on so far.
 

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i wish i had started getting one or two blood panel test done a year, starting 10 or 15 years ago. just to have an idea of where my baselines are and what my "sweet spot" is for T, estrogen, all of it

there is so much i dont know when it comes to what hormone does what in terms of libido, muscle growth, mental acuity, all of it
I know! It all fascinates me but with being in between 3 different places that are 3 hours apart it makes it so hard to get things done the way I want them to be. Until about a month from now it’s all guess work so I just see what help I can get from here.
 
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Crazy acne on my back, shoulders, forearms, and all down my legs. Joints feel fine except for a long last shoulder injury. Dude I felt all emotional watching a video of this adopted dog today so yeah lol. The mood swings are wild. If I take .5 adex Monday and Thursday (injection days) how should I implement another .25 or .5?
I would add another .5 on Saturday and see if that helps. If yours is high, I can’t imagine another .5 would be be too much.
 
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Crazy acne on my back, shoulders, forearms, and all down my legs. Joints feel fine except for a long last shoulder injury. Dude I felt all emotional watching a video of this adopted dog today so yeah lol. The mood swings are wild. If I take .5 adex Monday and Thursday (injection days) how should I implement another .25 or .5?
I’ve never used dex, only exem & formestane, but the answer with all AI is use as little as possible to accomplish what you want. You will just have to play with it. Oily skin and most importantly the sad feels for adoption pets means yours has got to be high. It’s really the giveaway for me, truly.
 
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I’ve never used dex, only exem & formestane, but the answer with all AI is use as little as possible to accomplish what you want. You will just have to play with it. Oily skin and most importantly the sad feels for adoption pets means yours has got to be high. It’s really the giveaway for me, truly.
On Trestolone, when e2 got high, I had the urge to help old woman crossing the street. When e2 was just right on Trestolone, I had the urge to fugg said women -instead of helping them.
 
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how did you know what number was "right on" for you?
He knew the number was right when he wanted to fugg the old crippled lady that couldn't cross the street
 
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how did you know what number was "right on" for you?
By looking at a ugly -or old chick, I just knew if an AI was needed. If "Dingus" got up, everything was in "normal" range.
Note: The urge to fugg anything female that walked on two legs, came from trest, not my habitual predatory choice.
 
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He knew the number was right when he wanted to fugg the old crippled lady that couldn't cross the street
This.

No but seriously, part of the issue is you’re using adex and not aromasin. Adex wears off in about four days, so unless you’re taking it EOD or ED at your level of aromatization it’s going to be an emotional rollercoaster. It doesn’t help that your shbg seems to be high as well. Higher and more consistent free test and consistent lower e2 numbers would fix much of these issues
 

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Well after everything I’m seeing would you guys think it would be a good idea for me to take .5mg adex tonight (Saturday)? If my estrogen is at 28 or maybe higher at this point I’m wondering where it would take me. I’m also on 250iu HCG eod so that’s probably contributing to e rising. Next shot and AI dose would be Monday.
 
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Well after everything I’m seeing would you guys think it would be a good idea for me to take .5mg adex tonight (Saturday)? If my estrogen is at 28 or maybe higher at this point I’m wondering where it would take me. I’m also on 250iu HCG eod so that’s probably contributing to e rising. Next shot and AI dose would be Monday.
Take the Adex tonight.
 
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Ok, I’ll pop it before bed. Side note, does anyone ever get stomach pain/nausea after HCG injections?
Pregnant women seem to get pretty sick when their serum hcg goes up...
 
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Ok, I’ll pop it before bed. Side note, does anyone ever get stomach pain/nausea after HCG injections?
Nope, and mine’s definitely legit. But it definitely causes a substantial increase in my estrogen - if you had said that we could have confirmed it faster! Lol
 
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Are you sure it’s high E and not low E? This sounds like me when my estrogen starts to get low. High and low can feel almost identical but I tend to be more of a headcase and more irrational mood-wise and paranoid when mine is low. This is because when E starts to get low, especially with an AI blocking conversion, the excess testosterone has nothing to convert to but DHT.
I doubt that:

The question is: Goes DHT up when e2 is low?

My guess: If test doesn't have enough aromatase enzyme, it mostly binds to SHBG.

Anyone?
In response to the above referenced. No if you are limiting the aromatase enzyme you are limiting aromatization into both DHT and Estrogen. They are byproducts of the same aromatization process of testosterone.

Another reason not to crash estrogen, if so you likely crashed dht too. DHT is highly androgenic and responsible for most sexual traits ie libido... Ever notice a lot of people libido is crap when e2 is crashed. How high do you think DHT is likely to be if estrogen is crashed due to no aromatization. Yep likely scraping the bottom too. :)
He knew the number was right when he wanted to fugg the old crippled lady that couldn't cross the street
LMAO!
 

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Nope, and mine’s definitely legit. But it definitely causes a substantial increase in my estrogen - if you had said that we could have confirmed it faster! Lol
I usually notice I get down in the dumps the night of or day after HCG injections but when I feel good I’m horny as all hell. It’s a weird combo. So I’m about to take .5 adex then with my shot Monday it’ll be another .5 then again Thursday. I’ll keep you guys updated on how I feel.
 
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In response to the above referenced. No if you are limiting the aromatase enzyme you are limiting aromatization into both DHT and Estrogen. They are byproducts of the same aromatization process of testosterone.

Another reason not to crash estrogen, if so you likely crashed dht too. DHT is highly androgenic and responsible for most sexual traits ie libido... Ever notice a lot of people libido is crap when e2 is crashed. How high do you think DHT is likely to be if estrogen is crashed due to no aromatization. Yep likely scraping the bottom too. :)
LMAO!
Lol wut.

Aromatase and 5a Reductase are not the same enzyme. AI does not affect 5aR. You can crash e2 USING dht. If you choose...
 
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If you’re blocking the aromatase enzyme from converting T to E, wouldn’t that result in more T converting to DHT?
 

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If you’re blocking the aromatase enzyme from converting T to E, wouldn’t that result in more T converting to DHT?
I guess technically unless it’s a suicidal AI like aromasin.
 
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how does this work?
There’s only so many things that can happen to end the dance between ADs and T. Aromatase, shbg, and 5a reductase are the major things, take one away, the other two will increase.
 
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If you’re blocking the aromatase enzyme from converting T to E, wouldn’t that result in more T converting to DHT?
Or shbg binding it up.
 
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... Otherwise, get yourself a fat sack of plants and chill out for an evening!
Oops way late here, but about to say grab a vape pen or roll a Joint, solved most of my anger aggression issues over the years.. now if I could just find my damn keys!
 
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this sh!t is complicated
Not really - people choose to get overly invested in what’s going on (and that knowledge can help you get to a more dialed setup faster), but the reality is every individual is just going to have to take some **** and see how they respond, and vary the combo until you feel decent.

Numbers of anything don’t matter if you don’t feel alright, and no matter how bad some numbers may look on paper if someone is happy good luck getting them to stop what they’re doing lol.
 

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