Well it makes logical sense.I think that's why so many people are scared of it. People end up with bad sides because they run 25-50 mg of it which, the more I research, seems like 2-4x more than what is actually needed.
I was going to mention something similar. I think they may have lowballed the Androgenic potential on this one.Yeah I can remember my voice getting super deep off 35mg transdermal daily. It was crazy, I barely sounded like the same person. That shyte is androgenic as hell
I’m on 200mg Test with 1mg adex both split twice a week and HCG eod, and I’ve been thinking of running TD Trest or Msten for a little cycle. Just want to get everything right. You think that much of an AI would be sufficient?One guy in the thread i posted state that he was taking 25mg test and 15mg trest daily with no estrogen problems. Obviously it varies from person to person though
You should search through some of the Trest threads on this site/Google Trestolone Estrogenic side effects. A lot of people struggle to control those types of sides with Trest.I’m on 200mg Test with 1mg adex both split twice a week and HCG eod, and I’ve been thinking of running TD Trest or Msten for a little cycle. Just want to get everything right. You think that much of an AI would be sufficient?
Yeah but keep in mind most of these people are taking relatively high doses. I think 10mg is likely a good number, and at that dose estrogen side effects might not be bad at allYou should search through some of the Trest threads on this site/Google Trestolone Estrogenic side effects. A lot of people struggle to control those types of sides with Trest.
I know you’re prone to MPB. Did that dose make you shed at all?Yeah I can remember my voice getting super deep off 35mg transdermal daily. It was crazy, I barely sounded like the same person. That shyte is androgenic as hell
Trest plus epistane together made me lose about a quarter of my hair on top. Not sure if it woulda grew back, I got a hair transplant quick lolI know you’re prone to MPB. Did that dose make you shed at all?
Holy shyt that’s a lot of hair to lose in ten weeks. I’d have had a series of panic attacks. The androgenic sides are what’s keeping me away from trest.Trest plus epistane together made me lose about a quarter of my hair on top. Not sure if it woulda grew back, I got a hair transplant quick lol
That was 75mg oral trest for 10 weeks 45mg epistane for 6
How old were you when you ran that? I’m 26 and a few months back dermacrine made me shed a lot. So I gotta be careful.Trest plus epistane together made me lose about a quarter of my hair on top. Not sure if it woulda grew back, I got a hair transplant quick lol
That was 75mg oral trest for 10 weeks 45mg epistane for 6
I was 33How old were you when you ran that? I’m 26 and a few months back dermacrine made me shed a lot. So I gotta be careful.
Running by itself should be fine, but one of the elite pro bodybuilders on professionalmuscle knows of a TRT clinic that actually prescribes trestolone (not FDA approved) along with TRT at a 5:2 test:trest ratio to maximize the benefits of TRT.What about running by itself?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/308074-p-r-o.htmlInteresting. Don’t really think I’m at the point of needing full blown trt. Mine is in the mid range w high SHBG. Looking for ways to lower that and then maybe add the ace for a boost in overall well being, performance and sexual health. Would be interested in reliable sources for ace since it’s not readily available.
all this knowledge and you still ain't tried it!!?? c'mon witchy-poo.All this talk about trest is making me want to try it finally. I didn’t realize I could use such a small dose and benefit. I could get down with that.
Yeah that knowledge is what’s kept me from trying it. Hah. I hate dealing with sides, so much.all this knowledge and you still ain't tried it!!?? c'mon witchy-poo.
This totally changes the game for me. I’m glad this thread happened. 10mg is a very small amount of oil... I’m seeing myself preloading some pins with 10mg trest ace, 100mg dhb cyp, and the rest sterile grapeseed oil and a tiny amount of lidocaine because I’m a bitch. Then I’d pin that **** eod and take a ride to GAINZ town.I'll say it one more time lol. The people getting sides are pinning 25mg a day or more. Which is probably equal to over a gram of test a week.
Probably a dumb question but I’m a noob at this. All the products I’m seeing are much higher doses. How would you divide it to get it to 5-10mgsI'll say it one more time lol. The people getting sides are pinning 25mg a day or more. Which is probably equal to over a gram of test a week.
insulin syringesProbably a dumb question but I’m a noob at this. All the products I’m seeing are much higher doses. How would you divide it to get it to 5-10mgs
So just calculate what volume is needed and see out only that much? That would be a pretty same amount of oil then. Conceiveable making for a pretty comfortable injection.insulin syringes
Well, most od trest ace is in 50mg/ml concentration, so 1/5 of that EODSo just calculate what volume is needed and see out only that much? That would be a pretty same amount of oil then. Conceiveable making for a pretty comfortable injection.
What was your AI protocol on 125mg/ week ace?I will say this, i have done 2 cycles and then cruised with it for a couple months, now this will be my 3rd cycle. My first cycle was a combination of about 150mg E with about 100mg ace a week. I had read about people using double this dose stacked with other compounds so i guess i assumed this was a lower dose, which was naive of me. Was great but honestly i shouldnt have mixes in ace, it just got too complicating and i felt like i had no idea whether i was managing estrogen correctly and it was a huge guessing game. (Which managing esteogen generally is without bloodwork). I didnt get too much sides but a few days where i was like "holy **** this is too intense".
The second cycle i just did 125 mg ace per week which i liked much better. Again, bloodwork would have let me know if i was managing estrogen correctly but by feel, i felt like i was.
Now i am doing 125mg decanoate just trying to ease into it. All of these have been with 100mg trt
Edit: these were blasts, not " cycle" just to use the correct terminology lol
Lol, sounds legita TRT clinic that actually prescribes trestolone (not FDA approved) along with TRT at a 5:2 test:trest ratio to maximize the benefits of TRT.
Not sure about exact numbers, but thats the gist of it I think. The halflife of MENT is so short precisely because it doesnt bind to SHBG.Oh, can't forget the fact that trest does NOT bind to SHBG. This is huge.
I forget the exact numbers but let's say you inject 100mg of test c. Most of it (at least 80% of it, correct me if I'm wrong) gets bound with SHBG and is completely inactive.
So you really end up with 20mg of useable testosterone.
Now inject 100mg if trestolone, all of it ends up free. So you have 5 times more free androgen, not to mention that free androgen is 10x as potent as testosterone.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes I was always under the impression that with trest you would ditch the test since it won’t really add much but another substrate for aromatase.Not sure about exact numbers, but thats the gist of it I think. The halflife of MENT is so short precisely because it doesnt bind to SHBG.
Which on one hand makes it strange that it should stack so well with masteron. Thatd be my own preference too, trest+mast rather than trest+test.
Yeah, pretty much.Yes I was always under the impression that with trest you would ditch the test since it won’t really add much but another substrate for aromatase.
I think it was about .5 mg adex every 3 days wih 125mg ace per week. By feel, this worked well. Didnt get bloods though so i cant be too sure haha. Felt great though.What was your AI protocol on 125mg/ week ace?
Thanks for sharing.Kinda off topic, but speaking of SHBG..
I take 100mg test c for trt. Well 2 weeks ago I started takin 35mg a day of winny to help me cut some fat while sparing muscle, and the SHBG reducing effect of winny is very noticeable.
By day 2 gyno came back hard, my libido went way up, and I've been waking up with rock hard morning wood every morning.
Almost feels like I doubled my TRT dose.
Jus thought I'd share lol
With the low doses being talked about here would you even need to take an AI for prophylactic reasons or just have it in hand in case? 10mg EOD is a lot less then 125/wk that’s been mentioned. For me, I’m more interested in lowering SHBG.I think it was about .5 mg adex every 3 days wih 125mg ace per week. By feel, this worked well. Didnt get bloods though so i cant be too sure haha. Felt great though.
Are you thinking about trying Winny on cycle for that?With the low doses being talked about here would you even need to take an AI for prophylactic reasons or just have it in hand in case? 10mg EOD is a lot less then 125/wk that’s been mentioned. For me, I’m more interested in lowering SHBG.