- 06-12-2018, 12:23 AM
I wonder if thereís a benefit to running LGD-4033 and 1-Andro? I know LGD is pretty suppressive and I kinda wanna run a test base with it to combat the lethargy that SARMS normally give me so much of. Iíve heard 1-Andro/1-Test can cause pretty bad lethargy in some people but out of curiosity, could it be ran as a test base in theory? Instead of pinning I was thinking of doing a cycle like this but I might want to run 4-Andro as a base instead because of its conversion to test but 1-Andro is so much more appealing to me in terms of affects, plus I wouldnít have to run an AI with it. Iím only wanting to run 2 compounds this time around so Iíve been on the fence.
I was thinking LGD-4033 10mg ed, 1-Testosterone (1-Andro) by hi tech 330mg ed, and maybe 200mg of Laxogenin ed for ****s and giggles. Only thing I donít want is that lethargy and **** libido on cycle. Can anyone give any insight?
- 06-12-2018, 07:13 AM
As far as test bases go I would say no. The point of a test base is to alleviate the lethargy, etc from other anabolics. 1 andro doesn't convert to test, it converts to 1-test. Which may be more anabolic but it won't give you the desired effects of a "test base". If you're set on the Andros, then 4 andro or epi andro is what you're looking for. Deemacrine may help too but I've never used it personally so I can't say
06-12-2018, 07:18 AM
100% no. It acts nothing like test and will do the exact opposite of what a test base would. 4 andro, epiandro, trest, dermacrine in higger doses 5-6pumps. All of those are much better options. I would run lgd solo if 1 test was your only option
06-12-2018, 07:19 AM
06-12-2018, 08:53 AM
I’m about to run lgd. I’m pretty sure I’ve settled on dermacrine for a test base but I have to admit trest is intriguing. But many people suffer bad estrogen sides from trest, which will just add another thing to worry about in what’s supposed to be a pretty simple lgd cycle. I’m looking forward to see what you pick.
06-12-2018, 10:57 AM
I was thinking about running LGD solo but I donít think thatís the way to go tbh. Iíve never ran a PH myself and 1-Andro looked great but I didnít think itíd be a good base but had to ask. Not gonna be able to use dermacrine for a base since my girl and I live together, I donít think itíd be a good idea to get any on her because Iíd be using a lot. Might not matter but Iíll air on the side of caution.
Right now I look like **** lol because Iím bulking but it is what it is until I cut. Iíve heard epiandro is better for cutting and 4-Andro is better for bulking, but I am curious as to how the two make you feel. Is epi stimulating at all? I know these are more hormone like compounds but you can never ask enough questions even if they seem dumb, in my opinion. I donít think Iím going to run Trest but I am curious about it because Iíve heard good things but also some stuff about estro issues like Thor said. May be trying it on another cycle.
So Iím down to 4-Andro and Epi. Iím on Nolva right now for a small PCT from my last cycle (does it give anyone else headaches?) so I havenít gotten the stuff for this cycle yet, not that itís an issue to but mainly to keep away the temptation of starting a new cycle too early.
Iím 180lbs, 13.5%bf before my cut and Iíll start cutting when I hit about 14.5%-15% bf. Just figured Iíd throw that extra info in there.
06-12-2018, 12:25 PM
I did 1/4/epi. Felt pretty good the whole time. Epi can be kinda stimulating I guess but not too crazy in my experience. Take it pre workout for a boost
06-12-2018, 04:06 PM
I'm 5 weeks into an 8 week LGD cycle and am using 4 andro at 330mg per day. I don't know when people start to feel like ****, but I feel great so far. Would recommend. No experience with epi andro.
06-12-2018, 04:09 PM
I have heard that epi tends to dry you out a bit and peoples joints can hurt if that's all you use for a test base, and since 4 andro is more of a "wet" compound that can help with the joints (my joints feel good too). But again I haven't tried epi so no idea if that's true.
06-12-2018, 04:11 PM
06-12-2018, 04:13 PM
06-12-2018, 05:15 PM
What type of results can one expect from 1-Andro, specifically Hi-Tech 1-Testosterone? Can it be used to cut or is it a bulker? I'm finding conflicting reports.
06-12-2018, 05:27 PM
06-12-2018, 05:32 PM
06-12-2018, 05:36 PM
It's considered a "dry" compound. Obviously things work differently for different people but literature would say it's a dry compound
06-12-2018, 05:41 PM
06-12-2018, 05:44 PM
I have. I've run 1/4/epi. I've also run nano 1t which is supposed to be actual 1 test. But that was with androtest and halodrol so I guess I can't technically speak for 1 andro on its own as far as bloating
06-12-2018, 05:46 PM
06-12-2018, 06:02 PM
4-Andro needs a lot of conversion to make it to estrogen so using an AI can defeat the purpose unless your taking heaps. Which defeats the purpose as a base.
Low dose (you would need to research dose) TD Trest, just enough to make the minimum amount of needed estrogen would be far easier but you said about contact with your GF.
Epi-andro should stop the lethargy but being DHT won't help with joint health.
Walking the long road.
06-12-2018, 06:35 PM
06-12-2018, 07:17 PM
06-12-2018, 07:40 PM
06-13-2018, 05:58 AM
06-13-2018, 05:58 AM
06-13-2018, 02:16 PM
Low. Dose. Trest. 10-mg 15 mg a day trest ace. People who run into issues run much higher doses than that
Think outside the box
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