PCT for my first cycle????

[jws8118]

Week 1- 6 Sust 500mg & Dbol 30mg ed
Week 6-12 Sust 500mg & Winny 50mg ed

I was planning on running 10mg Nolva ed
throughout the cycle b/c I am prone to gyno.

Week 13.5 - I want to start PCT here, what kind
of dosages should I follow??

Any thing else I should think about?

Thanks

 

[Sticks]

If it's liquid I would go w/ four weeks at 60, 40, 30, 20.
I would add HCG in there from week 5 until pct at 250 iu's twice a week.

 

[Sticks]

One thing i'm not really sure about is your pct start time. I've never used sust so i'm not sure on when the best time to start is. If it were me i would run prop from week 12-14 and then start pct week 15.

 

[jws8118]

I will be using nolva in pill form not liquid, so what would the
dosages be. Also is the 10mg ed necessary throughout the
cycle since I am already prone to gyno?

What would be the purpose of running the prop week 12-14??
And what dosage??

 

[Sticks]

If it's pill form then it's actually got more tamox in it so go w/ 40,40,20,20.

The reason for the prop is b/c sust as a blend and the shorter esters will clear before the longer ones do. This may leave you in a weird spot where you're starting pct before you can actually recover. So i say run the prop at 150 mg's eod to avoid this.

Also what's your pinning schedule look like, b/c you're gonna have to pin the sust eod to make use of it.

 

[kwantam]

I will be using nolva in pill form not liquid, so what would the dosages be.

Liquid is only 2/3 as strong as pill, so 40/30/20/10 or thereabouts.

Also is the 10mg ed necessary throughout the
cycle since I am already prone to gyno?

You might try going without and add it if you feel the effects (if you do this and start feeling gyno, add it at 40mg/day until the gyno goes away, then drop to 10mg/day). The other option is to use an AI (femara, arimidex, or aromasin), though this will dry you out a bit.

What would be the purpose of running the prop week 12-14??
And what dosage??

In general you want to wait to start your PCT until the test has cleared your system. Sust, being a blend of esters, has a small component with a long tail. Switching to prop at the end means you're only using a short ester, which clears your system faster, allowing you to start PCT sooner.

Dosage-wise, 500mg of prop is a bit more test than 500mg of sust (you could calculate exactly how much by considering the percentages of the esters in sust and their relative weights), but it would be in that neighborhood. (To be clear, you'd be replacing the sust with prop, not adding it in...)

-kwantam

 

[jws8118]

My pinning sch. for sus. is 2/3cc 3 times a week...

So youre saying week 13 -14 I should pin prop at
150mgs eod then start pct wk 15???

And I've already got a small amount of gyno so what
can help me get rid of that before I start this cycle?

 

[glenihan]

that's 12 weeks straight of methyls and winny is one of the more toxic ones i would throw at least a 2 week break from orals in there

 

[jws8118]

Ok how about this then
Week 1-6 sust 500mg/ 30 mg dbol ed/nolva 10mg ed
Week 6-8 sust 500mg/nolva 10mg ed
Week 8-12 sust 500mg/50mg winny ed/nolva 10mg ed
Week 13-14 prop 150mg eod/nolva 10mg ed
Week 15-18 PCT nolva 40/30/20/10

Hows that look for a first time cycle and what kind of
results should I expect.

 

[hethcliff]

winny is going to be hard on your joints, i would run it for the last three weeks instead of 4.

 

[jws8118]

Well mabye its not that important. Im just gonna cut the
winny out all together... mainly for financial reasons and the
fact its so toxic and bad on my joints... I cant justify it

Any input on the gyno i got??? I heard rebound can help w/
nolva.. anybody got a dosing sch. for that. I would like to
get rid of this before I start my cycle.

 

[jws8118]

The reason for the prop is b/c sust as a blend and the shorter esters will clear before the longer ones do. This may leave you in a weird spot where you're starting pct before you can actually recover. So i say run the prop at 150 mg's eod to avoid this.

Is this prop the same thing as test/prop susp???

 

[Sticks]

start the prop week 12.
Yeah rebout XT is supposed to work very well to reduce gyno. Try using 3-4 caps ED spread throughout the day.

Also you want to pin sust eod.

 

[kwantam]

Any input on the gyno i got??? I heard rebound can help w/
nolva.. anybody got a dosing sch. for that. I would like to
get rid of this before I start my cycle.

http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25765&highlight=rebound+gyno

-kwantam

 

[jws8118]

So week 8-11 sust 500mg
week 12-14 prop 150mg eod

right?

 

[jws8118]

Thanks for the rebound link! Thats awesome.. will be ordering that
today!!

 

[glenihan]

if you don't already have the sust i would stay away from it, blended esters are a pain in the ass, i would get cyp or enan so you only have to shoot 2x a week

as for what you can expect that is completely dependant on your diet ... trust me on this

 

[jws8118]

if you don't already have the sust i would stay away from it, blended esters are a pain in the ass, i would get cyp or enan so you only have to shoot 2x a week

What kind of dosing would you suggest if I switched to one of those? And which would
be better for a beginner. Thanks for your input.

As far as diet, can you give me any personal suggestions. I was just planning
on keeping protein high, good carbs at about 3gms/lb of body weight, and fat
minimal

 

[glenihan]

when i bulk i aim for at least 2g protein/pound of bodyweight (i usually try to get 2.5), 2-2.5g carbs/pound bodyweight and don't worry about fat

with either test enan or cyp you'll want to shoot mon/thurs or tue/fri or whatever at 250mg a shot for 500mg a week

 

[jws8118]

What if I only run the test enan for 10 weeks then
start the prop. Is 10 weeks long enough, b/c I dont
really want to have to buy extra if I dont have to.

Thanks

 

[Sticks]

You wouldn't need the prop if you get enan b/c it's only one ester so you won't have different esters clearing at the same time. Try this:

1-4 Dbol 30 mg's ed
1-12 test enan 500mg's ed

pct will be 10 days after last shot of enan at same dosage.
much easier just as effective.

 

[jws8118]

alright thanks. Much cheaper too that way too!

 

[Braveheart43]

Can you please help me w/ a PCT; I’m already on TRT. I’ll do my first cycle of Test E in 6 weeks for 6-8 weeks of 200-300mg/week all the while using my Fortesta as TRT.