What gear can be had with doctors prescription?

[nas7]

Simple question, what gear can be had with a legal doctors prescription?

 

[jmh80]

Dr. D can probably speak better, but I've seen test cyp, prop & suspension, nandrolone decanonate, perhaps halotestin & winstrol (still not sure why winny), and anavar. I've seen test enanthate on one anti-aging clinic's site, but I'm not sure if that was legit.

That's all from these HRT clinics which require a blood test.

 

[Coolkat]

Hey, if you hook up with one of these clinics, will that cover you legally or at least partially legally ???

 

[WATERLOGGED]

thats a good question and i' like to hear that answer myself, so hopefull the DR D will answershis question!

 

[aznurse]

Here is a link that discusses this subject. It is controversial.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/showthread.php?t=134233254

 

[cr4ytonic]

Rick Collins covers this in legal muscle... bottom line is those anti-aging pharmacies are not always quite so legal

 

[Poobah]

Here is a link that discusses this subject. It is controversial.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/showthread.php?t=134233254

Excellent read..

Did swale ever rip up penny... muaahaahah :box:

 

[jmh80]

Keep in mind that Swale is more old school, and HRT dosages do seem to be acceptable at 300 mg/wk. Typically in the past, I think it was 100.

Docs can be busted for improperly prescribing steroids for bodybuilding reasons. Collins' book is THE authority IMO in this area.

 

[jjjd]

clinics can offer (not necessary an all-inclusive list) stanazolol, nandrolone, anavar, anadrol, test, hgh, hcg, clomid, teslac, nolva

note that nobody has EVER been prosecuted for possession if they had a scrip from a hrt clinic

a CLINIC could, if they write prescriptions that are seen as abusive or incredibly overreaching, but an enduser (the person using the prescribed medications) cannot

it is the dr's responsibility to write the prescription in accordance with the law. it is not the patient's responsibility to read up on what is or isn't valid amounts of AAS for valid medical purposes, and swale's contentions aside, there is no bright line

to say again, the CLINIC (and the prescribing dr.) could theoretically be sued, investigated by the DEA, the FDA, the AMA etc. the enduser is perfectly fine. period

part of the reason of the high cost of the prescribed drugs through the clinic is to pay for their lawyers and insurance

 

[Meerschaum]

I didnt think swale looked too cool going off on staywell (not did staywell for lashing out at swale), if staywell was a criminal he would have been shut down, period, esp in the current political climate. Doses/Doc opinons differ end of story. I've had docs give me oxys for problems others would have given hydros for, does that make them criminals? NO! and hormones are not as serious as addictive narcotic opiates given for pain relief!

 

[jjjd]

exactly.

swale contends that protocols such as 200-400 mg/wk of test and/or protocols that add in deca etc. are NOT (by definition) HRT, but are in fact 'cycles'

he is perfectly entitled to that opinion.

medically speaking, it's arguable. legally, UNTIL a clinic DR. gets prosecuted and.or his DEA license is ripped FOR prescribing such protocols, it's all speculation on the legal front. but again, the BURDEN to write a scrip within the bounds of medical ethics (and legal strictures) rests on the MD. the patient has no culpability, nor should he, to try to determine whether a scrip is giving him 'too much" test per week. that is absurd.

the only way a patient is culpable is if he uses outright fraud to GET a prescription, like submits falsified blood results, or Dr. shops and gets TWO concurrent scrips for HRT from two different HRT clinics. and even then, dr. shopping is RARELY prosecuted, although it is illegal

HRT clinics offer a legal way to get AAS. they are expensive, and you are not going to get a doc to prescribe a cycle of 1 gm of test a week. duh. otoh, they are LEGAL, and some clinics will offer reasonably aggressive cycles, especially for old farts, where even 200-400 mg of test a week would be quite effective.

 

[Meerschaum]

Exactly, precisely... I cannot perscribe MYSELF an anti-biotic or pain killer or any perscription med , cant do it!, I have to TRUST a doctor knows what he is doing when he gives me one, and if he does it incorrectly it is not my fault, period... I'm not a doctor, I dont have an MD, MD's are judged by qualified individuals, what they do is judged by them, it isnt the patients responsibility to make sure what his doc gives him falls within the realm of some nebulus medical norm that is even debatable.

A doc blatently selling steroids? thats one thing, a doctor perscribing a little bumped up hrt to some seniors and guys with hypogonadism? come on! show one case where the dea bothered to go after that, or even a case where someone besides an hrt specialist with a contrary opinon would even raise an eyebrow.

 

[jjjd]

well put. like i said, swale has his opinion, and i respect that, but these clinics have been operating for years, and offer a legitimate way for people to improve their quality of life. it would be great if the legislature bumped AAS down from a contrlled substance, to a legend drug (like birth control are) and allowed for more personal responsibility. these are not "recreational" drugs where people get addicted, go on binges, rob banks, etc. there are risks, but they are nothing like the other drugs in CIII.

 

[DR.D]

Jmh80's list is accurate. You can get A50 and methyltest too by Rx. Winni is no longer available. Testolactone is also available and classed as an anabolic, but it's really just an anti-e. Good luck finding any doc that will Rx more than 200mg/wk test. That's the max, and you'll probably only get 200mg EOW for HRT. It's always on backorder, so you may only get Androderm. The dec and durabolin are tough to find in steady supply too, mostly reserved for AIDs these days.

 

[KCPreki11]

Are you saying there's a shortage in the production of those hormones?

 

[DR.D]

No, it's UpJohn trying to pull the whole market. It there, but it's sitting in a warehouse somewhere selling for 100$ for 10ml once you can finally get some. Phama companies are greedy bastards! It's been tough to score test for the last 3 years now.

 

[Greenguy]

Syno is much cheaper than that...

 

[DR.D]

Syno is much cheaper than that...

Yeah :thumbsup:

"beef, it's what's for dinner!"

 

[jmh80]

Dr. D - I was going to head to a endocrinologist for my hrt but you are saying it would be $100 a vial? And that doc. may not be able to prescribe it? I've seen it cheaper at these clinics.

Is another pharm going to pick up the void from Upjohn?

 

[jjjd]

dr. d. not all HRT clinics use upjohn (the industry standard). some use compounded versions of Test, nandrolone, etc.

also, i know for a fact a guy who got stanazolol from an HRT clinic, so when did they stop making it available? note, not winny (the brand name) but compounded stanazolol

 

[Coolkat]

My point is to get the prescription and get leagally covered mainly.

Anything wrong with that???

 

[jjjd]

there is nothing wrong with that. the MOST i have heard somebody prescribed on HRT is 400 mg test/wk with 200 mg deca per wk, which is 600 mg per wk of androgens

the main drawback to HRT would be the expense

it is safe, legal, and convenient

 

[DR.D]

Yes, stanazol is still recognized by the USP even if it's not available in the PDR as Winstrol anymore. So is mibolerone for that matter. You can have stuff compounded for about 40-50% the pharm price, but that's a pain too because only a handful of places in town do it, but if you could find a good one, that's the way to go. It costs me a whole bill for a bottle of 10ml Depo because my ins won't cover any parenteral HRT. You can get BTG's Delatestryl, enanthate and good stuff, but it's more expensive than UpJohn's and only available in 1 and 5ml. If you find a doc prescribing more than 200mg/wk, you have found a rare thing indeed. A bottle of Anadrol-50, 100ct costs 1300$ at the pharmacy. After ins it's still about 400$. Don't even ask what Oxandrin is! Do you still wanna go legal? :think: So it's a tough game at the doctors office. Now that legal, OTC anabolics are gone, something is going to have to give.

 

[jjjd]

yes, i know of HRT docs willing to go as high as 600mg a week (once they have worked with a patient for a while). no more than 400 of test, and can add deca

many of these HRT clinics use compounded because it is so much cheaper, and also because they can get more interesting "blends"


HRT's are selling generic anadrol for between $9-11 a capsule

 

[crazydoc1]

There is USP grade RX with US NDC#s for a lot of the common stuff:

T-Prop
T-Enth
T-Suspension (compounding pharmacy)
Stanozol (winstrol's active)
Oxandralone.. aka oxandrin(tm).. aka 'anavar'
Oxymethylone.. aka anadrol...


Sustenon is not US
Tren is not cleared for human use in the US
Clenbuterol in not cleared in the US

If your curious-- visit the FDA's website.. and download the master drug list.. all manufacturers.. all drugs.. all NDC codes.. and check it out.. its a small download..

 

[crazydoc1]

Signature compounded pharmacy in Florida has compounded Stanozol....... oral and depot..
Also very agressive pricing on compounded oxandralone........

Jmh80's list is accurate. You can get A50 and methyltest too by Rx. Winni is no longer available. Testolactone is also available and classed as an anabolic, but it's really just an anti-e. Good luck finding any doc that will Rx more than 200mg/wk test. That's the max, and you'll probably only get 200mg EOW for HRT. It's always on backorder, so you may only get Androderm. The dec and durabolin are tough to find in steady supply too, mostly reserved for AIDs these days.

 

[crazydoc1]

Well put....... I agree..

Responsibility is with the clinic and prescribing physician.. the user is presumed medically lay...
the risk is the clinic/physician being subjected to fines, review boards, audits, and/or prosecution...

clinics can offer (not necessary an all-inclusive list) stanazolol, nandrolone, anavar, anadrol, test, hgh, hcg, clomid, teslac, nolva

note that nobody has EVER been prosecuted for possession if they had a scrip from a hrt clinic

a CLINIC could, if they write prescriptions that are seen as abusive or incredibly overreaching, but an enduser (the person using the prescribed medications) cannot

it is the dr's responsibility to write the prescription in accordance with the law. it is not the patient's responsibility to read up on what is or isn't valid amounts of AAS for valid medical purposes, and swale's contentions aside, there is no bright line

to say again, the CLINIC (and the prescribing dr.) could theoretically be sued, investigated by the DEA, the FDA, the AMA etc. the enduser is perfectly fine. period

part of the reason of the high cost of the prescribed drugs through the clinic is to pay for their lawyers and insurance

 

[Zero Tolerance]

I have a doctor near me that prescribes AAS. He does a blood test (costs $100.00, I know - cheap). I'm guessing that if your test level is low - at all - he'll prescribe them to you. If your test isn't low, all you need to do is take M1T for a few days, stop for a day or two, and you're set. Right?

 

[jmh80]

Supersoldier's bloodwork on M1T showed shutdown to less than 200 ng/gl in 3 days. So, I'd say that would work. You'd probably have to use the tylenol excuse for elevated liver enzymes.

 

[aznurse]

This is interesting. Seems relevant to the discussion.
http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/showthread.php?t=134233861

 

[LCSULLA]

Welcome to Estrogen Nation! "It's all those evil male hormones that cause society to break down! Save the children!!"

 

[Boss_K]

lol@lc

its true though....they put women on female hormones regularly but everyone watch out for the evil testosterone....its the drug of maniacs....

 

[Nullifidian]

Hold on. I have a theory. Perhaps its been done before but here's the theory:

What if you get a prescription for, lets say, Testosterone Enanthate for like 250mg per week.

Then you go and get Test E from a source. They can't bust you for possession because you have a prescription right? Sure you are overdosing it, but that isn't the doctor's fault. Plus they can't prove you are overdosing it either.

To top it off, the federal law dictates that you are legally allowed to purchase up to 90 days worth of prescription meds from overseas. So let's say you wanted to do a cycle of Test E at 500mg per week but had a script for 250. Legally you could buy 6 weeks worth at a time. It just means you have to put in your orders more frequently. As long as you never possess any more than 90 days worth, you should be in the clear right?

 

[glenihan]

Nullifidian that's not true unless the source has the exact same test you were prescribed, so it would have to be human grade AND you would need the precription (which would show you have more than you were presribed) AND the bottle you have won't have your name and whatnot on it

 

[Nullifidian]

Nullifidian that's not true unless the source has the exact same test you were prescribed, so it would have to be human grade AND you would need the precription (which would show you have more than you were presribed) AND the bottle you have won't have your name and whatnot on it

Ok, so you would need to know the brand ahead of time. For example let's say you can get your hands on South African Depotrone, you could ask your doc specifically for Depotrone if he prescribes you Test Cyp. Good doctors usually allow their patients to specify what brand they'd prefer. So you have to have a source of human grade pharma produced stuff ahead of time. Not too difficult if you ask me. I'll specify why after the next paragraph.

As for the bottles not having your name on them, the federal law allows you to purchase up to 90 days worth from overseas. The stuff you order from overseas isn't going to have your name plastered on it with the prescription info, so they can't possibly nail you on that.



So, that being said, since it would be perfectly legal to purchase the stuff, you could buy from an online overseas pharmacy. They carry human grade stuff obviously and they list the brand names, etc. Thus finding human grade pharma produced stuff IMO is pretty easy, since you no longer have to worry about the legal troubles typically associated with purchasing from an online pharmacy.

Of course, you have to check with yoru state laws. Not all states allow importation of drugs, and with regards to overseas drug importation for personal use, the state laws supercede the federal ones.

 

[jmh80]

Rick's book has a story of a woman importing 2 or 3 mos. worth of some other drug from a pharm in Mexico w/ a valid script. US Customs searched her and cleared her. But her state, Texas, stopped her and decided to bust her on it.

He's got a passage about importing, let me see what it says.

 

[hypo]

what is the "tylenol excuse"?

I would think you'd be able to get it legally from a legit online pharmacy, but probably not from a private source. Of course the problem is not getting the gear it is getting the script!

 

[reddyman]

I just got a bottle of test 200 cyp at the pharmacy and it was $114.00Rediculouse. I have bought it in the past down south for $35.00

 

[goes4ever]

Nullifidian that's not true unless the source has the exact same test you were prescribed, so it would have to be human grade AND you would need the precription (which would show you have more than you were presribed) AND the bottle you have won't have your name and whatnot on it

I am on HRT and am prescribed upjohn cyp, my name is not on the bottle, it is on the box it comes in, so whats to say someone lost the box??

 

[jjjd]

if you have a scrip, then you get the scrip filled. only an authorized pharmacy (registered with the DEA) can fill that scrip

period

second of all, the 90 day exception rule is SO misstated and so misunderstood, it is ridiculous. i won't even go there.

if the HRT doc gives you a scrip, it will have the AMOUNT of 10 ml bottles on it. any bottles gotten in excess of that scrip are bogus

technically speaking (in regards to "lost the box"), the burden is on you NOT to lose it. since the box (or package) has the script on it, if you are transporting the drug, you need to (according to the law) transport it with the script (the label that shows you have a script for it).

 

[jmh80]

The tylenol excuse is that your liver enzymes would be elevated from M1T. So, tell the doc you were taking tylenol if he asks why they are elevated.

Tylenol is nearly as bad as 17aa-steroids on the liver.



Goes - how much does your Depo-test cost you? What dose are you on?

 

[goes4ever]

Goes - how much does your Depo-test cost you? What dose are you on?

200 week
with my insurance I pay $20 for 10ml

 

[jmh80]

Your ins covers it?

Mine doesn't, what is the base price? Can you see that on your bottle?

 

[DR.D]

Your ins covers it?

Mine doesn't, what is the base price? Can you see that on your bottle?

Same here. They classify it as a fertility treatment, which isn't covered.

 

[goes4ever]

regular price is $98 per 10ml, and yes insurance covers it, why wouldn't it? doctor says I need it

 

[jmh80]

My policy just does not cover injectables. It's an hmo, so not sure if that makes a difference.

 

[silverSurfer]

A close fiend of mine had some health problems a few years ago after a heart attack and angioplasty (sp?) and some complications. Anyway, he lost a lot of weight and his doctor put him on steroids. He was on oxandrin and some kind of test but the test was not self administered, he had to go to the dr's office every week for a shot. I know the insurance paid for the shot 100% but the oxandrin was filled at the pharmacy, little tablets, don't remember what co-pay was. He was so happy when the test kicked in and his weight returned not normal plus a little more that he never took the oxandrin because he'd forget and he was already taking too many other pills.
Anyway, he still has the oxandrin bottles, I wonder if the co-pay is different based on the reason why it is prescribed.

 

[DR.D]

A close fiend of mine had some health problems a few years ago after a heart attack and angioplasty (sp?) and some complications. Anyway, he lost a lot of weight and his doctor put him on steroids. He was on oxandrin and some kind of test but the test was not self administered, he had to go to the dr's office every week for a shot. I know the insurance paid for the shot 100% but the oxandrin was filled at the pharmacy, little tablets, don't remember what co-pay was. He was so happy when the test kicked in and his weight returned not normal plus a little more that he never took the oxandrin because he'd forget and he was already taking too many other pills.
Anyway, he still has the oxandrin bottles, I wonder if the co-pay is different based on the reason why it is prescribed.

In office is a set copay usually. From the pharmacy, a deductable applies. If your HMO, it gets even most difficult. They all have there oun "rules" or policies or whatever. You have to pay higher %'s for unpopular drugs too. I was payin' a bill/bottle too for depo.

 

[aznurse]

Update to this topic, Powermedica was busted by DEA.

 

[jmh80]

You got a link? I don't see anything on their homepage.

There goes the one place I've seen w/ Stanozolol.