Considering a PH but need the help starting.

[TonyGunsling]

I am very interested in getting a little quicker gains in the gym. Therefore I am considering using one of AndroFactory's PH's. I am looking for something with noticeable, but milder gains, while being as safe as possible on the liver and body.

I am thinking of doing a cycle somewhere around 6 weeks.
I am on a clean bulk, an Intermediate Fasting Bulk actually. consuming about 3200 cals in my window.
My lifting is a 4 day split. 5x5 main lift followed up by additional exercises with increasing rep ranges and lesser sets for multi fiber work.
I am looking for the strength and aesthetic size.

I am 25, 190lbs, 6'1", bench 275ish, ATG squat 340, Dead 425+
I want to hit the 300 club! and equally increase everything else.
I also do good amounts of cardio, or the random crossfit workouts.

Here is where I'm at tho. I am looking into AFs PBold and Bulk Up or Max Bulk.... I can stack if necessary or run one solo. But I try to find strong info on any of these supporting them, but I am not getting enough. I know there are a lot of terms to learn with PHs (non methylated, androgenic, Shutdowns, DHEA, PCTs) pretty much anything about PHs.... I am willing to read an article on my own if someone would direct me! But I just straight up need all the help and guidance I can get.

Looking forward to answering any questions you guys have for me. and hopefully started up a cycle soon and logging it for yas!

 

[hvactech]

max bulk would/should net more gains but bulk up/pbold would be nice also....

 

[pyrobatt]

I am very interested in getting a little quicker gains in the gym. Therefore I am considering using one of AndroFactory's PH's. I am looking for something with noticeable, but milder gains, while being as safe as possible on the liver and body.

I am thinking of doing a cycle somewhere around 6 weeks.
I am on a clean bulk, an Intermediate Fasting Bulk actually. consuming about 3200 cals in my window.
My lifting is a 4 day split. 5x5 main lift followed up by additional exercises with increasing rep ranges and lesser sets for multi fiber work.
I am looking for the strength and aesthetic size.

I am 25, 190lbs, 6'1", bench 275ish, ATG squat 340, Dead 425+
I want to hit the 300 club! and equally increase everything else.
I also do good amounts of cardio, or the random crossfit workouts.

Here is where I'm at tho. I am looking into AFs PBold and Bulk Up or Max Bulk.... I can stack if necessary or run one solo. But I try to find strong info on any of these supporting them, but I am not getting enough. I know there are a lot of terms to learn with PHs (non methylated, androgenic, Shutdowns, DHEA, PCTs) pretty much anything about PHs.... I am willing to read an article on my own if someone would direct me! But I just straight up need all the help and guidance I can get.

Looking forward to answering any questions you guys have for me. and hopefully started up a cycle soon and logging it for yas!

4-dhea in Max bulk converts to testosterone. It gets my vote.

 

[TonyGunsling]

max bulk would/should net more gains but bulk up/pbold would be nice also....

So which one of the two, max bulk and bulk up is less toxic on the body or causes less shutdown. do both require a pct? AFs website claims max bulk is less aggressive and for the calm gainer whilst bulk up is more for the aggressive fighter..

 

[pyrobatt]

So which one of the two, max bulk and bulk up is less toxic on the body or causes less shutdown. do both require a pct? AFs website claims max bulk is less aggressive and for the calm gainer whilst bulk up is more for the aggressive fighter..

They are both unmethylated. They require a pct but otc should be fine.

 

[TonyGunsling]

They are both unmethylated. They require a pct but otc should be fine.

From my understandings, methylated would be the harder on the liver than a non methyl? Any thing else I should know differently between the two?

If I were to run Max bulk and PBold. What OTC PCT is recommended? when to take it n such.
And why can I only find trash talk about OTC PCTs instead of recommendations? All I see is SERM

 

[TonyGunsling]

Also, Should I worry at all about Gyno or higher estro levels while using any of AF's PH products? I am already self conscious about the little bit of fat on my pecs, that probably isnt considered gyno. just fatty

 

[hvactech]

From my understandings, methylated would be the harder on the liver than a non methyl? Any thing else I should know differently between the two?

If I were to run Max bulk and PBold. What OTC PCT is recommended? when to take it n such.
And why can I only find trash talk about OTC PCTs instead of recommendations? All I see is SERM

Serms are recommended for methylated compounds. 8 weeks of max bulk at double the dose may need the use of a serm. There are tons of otc pct options. Daa, nolvadren-xt would be nice...

 

[TonyGunsling]

Okay, so a new question arose. will DHEA show up on normal 5 or 10 panel drug test? and how long does it stay in the system for after usage?

 

[pyrobatt]

Okay, so a new question arose. will DHEA show up on normal 5 or 10 panel drug test? and how long does it stay in the system for after usage?

No it won't and 20 HR half life.

 

[TonyGunsling]

No it won't and 20 HR half life.

Solid. So being in the military, with random tests, I should be okay... unless they suspect something and test specifically for steroids? cause I have read a few not so supportive threads saying it will show false pos for some recreational drugs...

What about Progestins.. like in P-Bold?

 

[TonyGunsling]

Out of the 3 bulking products (bulk up max bulk and p bold) what could I expect from them all if I ran them solo, or ran them with the lean cut product?
Is it possible to build muscle and get a flatter stomach combining a bulking with lean cut?

I am trying to learn as much as I can about each product before I decide to stack or run solo. I want worth while gains... just not huge gains... stay under the radar.

 

[hvactech]

Pbold will help increase additional strength with whatever you stack with it. Bulk up and max bulk will both convert.....the stacking options are endless

 

[pyrobatt]

I expect 6 to 10 lbs from Max bulk. You can follow my log on here to check out my progress to see if it's something you would like