which AI is best for a 4 week epi cycle? i have a cycle drawn out with iForce but wanted to get feed back before buying. Thanks
Care to expand why you think AI's have no place in PCT?AI's ALONE has no place in PCT.
Formex. It is a bioavailable form of Formestane. You do not want to be taking ATD in your PCT, which is in a lot of PCT products.which AI is best for a 4 week epi cycle? i have a cycle drawn out with iForce but wanted to get feed back before buying. Thanks
I am assuming he means you don't want to solely rely on an AI, hence the "alone"Care to expand why you think AI's have no place in PCT?
Yes!does reveristol have an ATD in it?
Care to expand why you think AI's have no place in PCT?
:thanks:I am assuming he means you don't want to solely rely on an AI, hence the "alone"
i personally love ATD. I doubt 5mg in reversitol will have any anti androgen activity.does reveristol have an ATD in it?
6-Etioallochol-1,4-Diene-3,17-Dione?what substance in rev is ATD?
Estrogen Modulation Matrix (EMM) 124mg *i personally love ATD. I doubt 5mg in reversitol will have any anti androgen activity.
Correct6-Etioallochol-1,4-Diene-3,17-Dione?
According to the reps, it's 5mg or a "low dose" but I'll never use a prop blend, i wanna know what i'm taking.Estrogen Modulation Matrix (EMM) 124mg *
6-Bromoandrostenedione
6-Etioallochol-1,4-Diene-3,17-Dione
Indole-3-Carbinol (L3C)
Where on the label does it state the individual amounts for the ingredients? I don't see a 5mg listing anywhere...
Estrogenic activity promotes gyno, whereas androgenic activity decreases chances of gyno flare ups. Therefore, using ATD can promote gyno through its anti-androgenic properties.According to the reps, it's 5mg or a "low dose" but I'll never use a prop blend, i wanna know what i'm taking.
This is why everyone is so excited about the new Formex...Estrogenic activity promotes gyno, whereas androgenic activity decreases chances of gyno flare ups. Therefore, using ATD can promote gyno through its anti-androgenic properties.
What? ATD is 1st an aromatize inhibiter, and has a SLIGHT anti androgenic activity.Estrogenic activity promotes gyno, whereas androgenic activity decreases chances of gyno flare ups. Therefore, using ATD can promote gyno through its anti-androgenic properties.
Androgen is the generic term for any natural or synthetic compound, usually a steroid hormone, that stimulates or controls the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics in vertebrates by binding to androgen receptors. This includes the activity of the accessory male sex organs and development of male secondary sex characteristics.What? ATD is 1st an aromatize inhibiter, and has a SLIGHT anti androgenic activity.
It will never aggravate gyno. How does androgenic activities decreases chances of gyno?
I never asked you what androgen means, re read my question. But anyway,Androgen is the generic term for any natural or synthetic compound, usually a steroid hormone, that stimulates or controls the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics in vertebrates by binding to androgen receptors. This includes the activity of the accessory male sex organs and development of male secondary sex characteristics.
Anti-androgens do the opposite... You want me to ask God why he made us the way he did?
Your information is circumstantial and of an indirect nature which implies the existence of the main fact in question but does not in itself prove it. That is, the existence of the main fact is deduced from the indirect or circumstantial evidence by a process of probable reasoning.I never asked you what androgen means, re read my question. But anyway,
great copy and paste. Now i know that you don't know what you talking about, just like i thought.
ATD has anti androgenic activity at the hypothalamus, that's why it is a great AI, it reduces estrogen and at the same time tricks the Hypo that there's not enough test.
ATD is an AR antagonist, so it does compete with test on the AR, but in HIGH DOSES and long period of times, using it for 2-3 weeks to kickstart the HPTA again will not lead to any negative effects, done that, been there with great success.. I'd advice you to research other than following what others say, but you'd prolly give me more attitude.
No need to use attitude in a discussion. :28:
Untill you prove me wrong, you shouldn't go around saying ATD is bad or aggravate gyno.Your information is circumstantial and of an indirect nature which implies the existence of the main fact in question but does not in itself prove it. That is, the existence of the main fact is deduced from the indirect or circumstantial evidence by a process of probable reasoning.
What I've proven is that there are better AIs than ATD...Untill you prove me wrong, you shouldn't go around saying ATD is bad or aggravate gyno.
You proved nothing till now, you only proved your lack of knowledge.What I've proven is that there are better AIs than ATD...
Now you just need your balls to drop... :footinmouth:You proved nothing till now, you only proved your lack of knowledge.
All you did here is:
1.Posting stuff without any reasoning behind it.
2.attiude.
3.Posting stuff that yourself is wondering what they mean.
finally, lol @ anti androgen
I'm done arguing with you, i feel like my IQ just dropped. :wave2:
Good question. I want to know too.lol so comparatively how does formex work then? what would be a ptc formex and pcs and what dosage?
Formex (formestane) is a class 1 AI, it is similar to ATD, it binds to the aromatize enzyme and does not let go. In other words suicidal. Both ATD and formex can convert into an androgen to compete at the AR. The trick here is taking a dose that is low and raise test without supressing it.lol so comparatively how does formex work then? what would be a ptc formex and pcs and what dosage?
I was going to use Formex for my h-drol cycle and I really don't care about libido. For a few weeks I can live with whatever libido I get. What I care about is test production, atrophy and most importantly gyno prevention.Update: Logs for Formex do not indicate a strong libido increase, which is what Formestane is known for. The TD application has been known to give a very strong libido increase.
Does your dosage assume there's no SERM?Formex (formestane) is a class 1 AI, it is similar to ATD, it binds to the aromatize enzyme and does not let go. In other words suicidal. Both ATD and formex can convert into an androgen to compete at the AR. The trick here is taking a dose that is low and raise test without supressing it.
If IBE corrected formestane bioavaibility, this porduct is the best ever made on the market IMO.
I'd do this:
PCS recommened dosage
Formex 50/50/25/25
There's no right answer for PCT, everyone does it differently, and everyone thinks their protocol is right, you can't blame them.Does your dosage assume there's no SERM?
When using a SERM don't most people recommend ramping the SERM down and ramping the AI up?
Buying bulk Formestane and making your own Trans-Dermal lotion with Penetrate.what is the TD application?
Nolva and Reversitol are fine together.would using nolva and reversitol together be too much?
nolva 20/10/10/
reversitol 3/2/2/1
Reversitol is an AI which by most accounts is counterproductive with Havoc. This is not based on my experience, it's based on what I read while researching Havoc/Epi.oh and this will be after a havoc cycle. 20/30/30/40
You can do OTC PCT + SERM or you can do OTC PCT without SERM. But conventional wisdom is no AI for Havoc/Epi.so for havoc what is productive if not an ai and not a medical serm
Why no AI w/ Epi/Havoc? Maybe a low dose, or a dose that is tapered up after the first week then maybe after the 3rd week tapered back down? I've heard that is a fair chance of estro rebound w/ Epi/havoc. Is this correct or was I misinformed?You can do OTC PCT + SERM or you can do OTC PCT without SERM. But conventional wisdom is no AI for Havoc/Epi.
An AI is an aromatase inhibitor. Epi doesn't aromatize so there's no need for it.Why no AI w/ Epi/Havoc? Maybe a low dose, or a dose that is tapered up after the first week then maybe after the 3rd week tapered back down? I've heard that is a fair chance of estro rebound w/ Epi/havoc. Is this correct or was I misinformed?
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