how much test to raise levels to normal
- 02-12-2007, 04:41 PM
- 02-12-2007, 07:46 PM
How long have you been on?
How often do you inject?
How much time after injection until bloodwork was taken?
With infrequent injects, even at once per week, your levels often crash by day 5-6. More frequent injects keep this from happening.
02-12-2007, 08:31 PM
02-12-2007, 09:15 PM
02-13-2007, 12:44 AM
I may be off by 5 or 6 ng/dl on that last one..
But I didnt even double..which sucks. I do feel somewhat better (sexually and physically) but I am not where I think I should be. I believe I could feel a hell of a lot better.
I am just grateful that I have found a Endo that guages my dosage by how I feel along with tests. Have another appt. in a month and a half!
02-13-2007, 03:20 AM
I dont care what a few people say about once a week injects - A majority of the people Ive read about speak of day 5-6 crashes that NEVER normalize. I know, I know, how some say it takes months for serum levels to normalize. But I think thats crappola. I would say at least 3 out of 4 people say that the day 5-6 crash never goes away.
Basically whats going on is this - Your levels probably ARE in the upper ranges, over 800, for about 2-3 days. The test IS working its magic. By the 4th day its already on the downslope, bigtime. By the time the sixth day rolls around, and you haven't injected in 6 days, your levels had already plummeted from the high 6 days prior - from the over 800 range all the way down to the 400's. Yes, this is typical. It happens to alot of people, IMO the majority on once week injects.
You want to look into more frequent injects, smaller doses, with smaller insulin needles. The smaller needles are also a good idea because they cause less muscle trama due to injects. You might not even have to inject 120mg, you could probably get away with 100mg. Split that up with an EOD protocol, inject using an insulin needle.
02-13-2007, 11:01 AM
Must be cross over from steroid ways.
Unless they live in part of the world that it is only T available?
Androgel is good, well expensive and lots of volume.
I found Tcream 100mg/1gram to be working choice and very inexpensive and convenient and small volume.
To those with absorption problem, I say, increase dose, stuff is cheap, use as much as you have to to get the desired blood levels. For me 1gram works very well, possibly too well.
1gram=1/8 of a tea spoon. Need 3"x6" area of the skin to spread thin. I use calf.
02-13-2007, 11:23 AM
the only reason I do injections is because when I started I did not know about compounding pharmacies. The androgel was costing me close to 270 a month and I have NO INSURANCE.
The injections cost me about 20 dollars a month.
I might look into compounded cream!
02-13-2007, 01:21 PM
1. Guaranteed absorbtion(not so with cream)
2. Less conversion to DHT than cream
3. Less conversion to estradoil than cream
4. Less conversion of estradoil means less SHBG
6. No need to wait around in the morning after cream is applied to work out/sweat
7. Why not, considering your already injecting HCG ANYWAYS! (and anyone on T should be)
8. Levels are just as steady given you inject EOD
02-13-2007, 02:24 PM
Have you had your E2 levels checked? If I'm not mistaken, estrogen and testosterone compete for the same receptors. So, if your E2 is high and the estrogen is taking up that receptor, it doesn't matter how much test you take, it aint gonna get there. So, maybe you're on the right dose of test, but need something to control your E2. Just a thought. Good luck.
02-13-2007, 06:01 PM
It's all about how your body uses the T some men use it fast I am one of them so you need to do a higher dose. Hell If I get an infection my levels will fall 300 points. Also stress if your stress out your will eat up the testosterone meds.
02-15-2007, 10:48 PM
02-15-2007, 10:52 PM
So are you saying that taking TD split though out the day would possible create more a stable level through out the day vs one time in the morning? Reason i say this is because I have known drs to tell patience to take androgel in the morning and then in late after noon towards evening, but I would love to see actually how TD would fluctate once it would hit stable levels. Or would once it hit stable levels when it is applied would not even matter?
02-16-2007, 03:19 AM
Mother nature knew what she was doing when she put together the endocrine system. T is notorious for causing some major insomnia, even in people not sensitive to it. Thats the major reason why T levels fall throughout the day and are lowest at night - to prepare the body to fall into a deep sleep. Thats a natural process I don't think would be wise to mess with.
02-16-2007, 03:34 AM
What other benefits are you and Dr Shippen talking about?
02-16-2007, 08:55 AM
02-16-2007, 12:48 PM
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