Do you stand for the National Anthem?
- 09-07-2018, 12:48 PM
You wanna prove how proud you are and wanna show these kneelers how disappointed you are them. Go serve your country, and fight in the Middle East where your telling them to go Live. End of Rant.I mean if you really hate your balls, go for it. But, what did they do to you?
- 09-07-2018, 12:49 PM
09-07-2018, 12:52 PM
09-07-2018, 12:56 PM
09-07-2018, 12:57 PM
It's like people who suddenly become so proper and respectful when they walk into church, but throw it all out the window the second they get out. They're missing the point. Reflect your beliefs in how you live; make it so someone will KNOW you love and respect your country by your actions, not simply because you tell people that you do. The same goes for religion and philosophy too. If you're a Christian, make it known through your actions as you try to be Christ-like. If you're a philosopher, make it known through your actions, not by what you wear or that you tell other people that you are one. If you're a bodybuilder, make it evident through your actions and your physique, not by telling everyone that you're a bodybuilder; your physique will clearly confirm or deny this. Same thing for all these areas of life really.
09-07-2018, 01:01 PM
I can see a ruling that politicians are not allowed to weigh in on these issues, but I don't see the legal basis for them to say that the owners/employers don't have a right to silence and/or punish political speech at work.
Regardless, the new policy should appease everyone. If you don't want to stand for the anthem, as it's arguably political statement itself, stay in the locker room. You do not, however, have a right to stage a counter-political statement or protest. It's quite simple to me really.
09-07-2018, 03:05 PM
What sellouts, America is nothing than a blended world and not everyone needs to stand and pledge themselves to such. It doesn't make them any less patriotic and I dont mind either side. Dont talk down on someone else then tell them they need to leave the country. Its honestly ugly and ignorant. If your so proud lets see that show in your outreach to your community and not in the oppression of others.
If you really want to be a true American in my book just pay your taxes and not complain after you get your check.
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09-07-2018, 03:54 PM
09-07-2018, 03:56 PM
09-07-2018, 03:58 PM
09-07-2018, 04:03 PM
Here is my 2 cents as an outsider ( im an aussie):
There are two types of people opposed to kneeling during the anthom:
Type 1 is the nationalistic patriot, who believes the flag is more important than what it stands for
Type 2 is the racist, who is hiding behind patriotism to oppose an egalitarian agenda.
In Australia, hardly anybody cares whether you stand, sit, kneel, sing or fart the national anthem.
09-07-2018, 04:18 PM
09-07-2018, 04:27 PM
09-07-2018, 04:28 PM
Love my Aussie friends.
09-07-2018, 04:31 PM
The fact that the protests are peaceful is not really the talking point here, itís that theyíre at work against the employerís wishes. Read the article posted by the American Bar Association please...
09-07-2018, 04:33 PM
Do you stand for the National Anthem?
09-07-2018, 04:36 PM
09-07-2018, 04:37 PM
Donít forget the law suit about the NFL owners colluding. This is gonna be good.
09-07-2018, 04:47 PM
Can you at least concede that the First Amendment doesnít protect political speech at work if itís against your employerís wishes? Putting aside POTUSí involvement of course?
09-07-2018, 04:56 PM
09-07-2018, 05:00 PM
09-07-2018, 05:03 PM
The First Amendment reads:
ďCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.Ē
While what the President said is it of place and asinine, is it actually illegal? Can Trump overstepping his bounds really permanently hinder the ownersí ability to limit political speech at work? Purely a federal-level discussion, as I canít possibly know every single state law on the topic.
09-07-2018, 05:19 PM
09-07-2018, 05:22 PM
Do you stand for the National Anthem?
09-07-2018, 05:37 PM
You guys just dont' get my point of view and that is ok because we are all programmed differently. Some hold value to things that others do not.
I hold value in standing for the national anthem, always have since I was taught at a young age to value it.
I know many children out there don't even pay attention and just go through the motions when they are standing for the pledge of allegiance. That's alright, to each their own.
But one thing that I would never do, even though we live in America and we are free to express ourselves in any which way we want, is choose to kneel during the anthem. Reason being is that I know there is a time and place for everything.
Unquestionably, we are an imperfect and flawed country, where bigotry, racial inequality and social injustice exist. But the notion that the American flag created or perpetuates these social ills is simply wrong.
It is people who create and perpetuate these social ills and, unfortunately, some of these people wear the American flag on their sleeve. However, to link those individuals with our flag is both disrespectful and unappreciative of those who proudly wear the flag on their sleeve.
The American flag embodies an incalculable generosity to those suffering from natural or man-made disasters. Americans don’t take a knee when, at home or abroad, victims of tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes or other natural disasters ask for our financial help.
The American flag embodies the selfless sacrifice of those brave men and women who respond to national crises. American first responders didn’t take a knee on Sept. 11, 2001, when asked to help others amid the horrors of the twin towers. The American flag was buried with them in the rubble that day.
The American flag embodies the courage and bravery of our service men and women when called upon to relieve the suffering and oppression of others around the world. American soldiers, sailors, Marines, airmen and coasties don’t take a knee when it comes to protecting our liberties, including our First Amendment right of free speech.
The American flag embodies the unnoticed simple acts of kindness and compassion that Americans show to one another every day. Americans don’t take a knee when it comes to helping others in need.
We are, as our Pledge of Allegiance reminds us, “one nation, under God, indivisible.” Kneeling during our national anthem denigrates the very symbol of our indivisibility. Kneeling during our national anthem promotes division, not healing, and disrespects those that proudly wear the American flag on their sleeve as an emblem of what is good in this country.
In a strange way, kneeling during the national anthem is both ironic and hypocritical. When those who kneel during our national anthem need the services of those Americans who proudly wear the flag, who do they call? Certainly not their supporters. They call those same fellow Americans who proudly wear the flag.
And those people who respond to calls for help never take a knee. They respond without inquiring about race, ethnic background, social status, or political persuasion. They simply respond and, in many instances, risk their own lives in doing so. That is what the American flag is all about and that is what makes this country great.
Those who kneel can’t have it both ways. They can’t seek to exercise those freedoms for which the American flag stands while at the same time disrespecting the very same flag and those who wear it. Simply because the First Amendment protects the right to kneel during our national anthem doesn’t mean these actions should be applauded.
If we as a nation are to move forward in a unified effort to eradicate bigotry and eliminate racial inequality, we must change people’s minds and attitudes.
The American flag is not a symbol of bigotry and racial inequality; it is a symbol of hope, courage, and compassion. If we as a nation believe otherwise, then our efforts to bring this country together will be for naught.
My job, as a citizen of this nation, is to strive every day to embody what makes this country great, and to not take a knee when others around me need help, even those who kneel during our national anthem.
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