Starting a Supplement company--Please Help

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Alright here is the deal.
A good friend of mine works for a pharm Lab here in San Diego and he is willing to produce Powders, Pills or Mixed drinks for me at cost if I come up with a formula. So I thought that it would be a good Idea to turn to the most informed message board around and ask for some input on creating these formulas. I wanted to start with a MRP similar to Muscle Milk that can be used three times a day and provides all of the essential vitamines, minerals, supplements that a bodybuilder would need.

Here is what I came up with so far.
Per serving values...

60G whey Isolate
2.5 G creatine
2.5 G glutamine
Something Mildly anabolic
Something that blocks estrogen
Something that increases nitrogen balance
something that increases HGH and insliun sensitivity


Vitamin's
A- 5000iu
C- 100 mg
D- 100IU
E- 50IU
K- 40mcg
Thiamine- 2 mg
Riboflavin- 2 mg
Niacin- 20 mg
B6- 2mg
Folate- 200mcg
B12- 25mcg
Biotin- 100mcg
Pantothenic Acid - 5 mg
Calcium- 300mg
Iron- 20mg
Phosphours- 200 mg
ioidine- 200mcg
Magnessium - 250mg
Zinc- 10 mg
Selenium- 100mcg
Copper- 2 mg
Manganese- 5 mg
Chromium- 200mcg
Molybdenum- 200mcg
Chloride- 100mg
Potassium 250mg

Supplements---
Green Tea
Nickle
Vandyal Sulfate
Boron
Rose Hips
Kelp
Co enzyme Q10
Aprocot Seed
-----I need quanitys for these?

Please give me you input. I would like to know What vits and minerals you would like to see in it? Quanities / purpose? what additional supplements you would like ? Qty's/purpose ? why ? Suggestions on fillers, sweeteners ect... Most convient packaging, bucket/pack ect....Any other imput as well

Also, I will fund the production and send samples at each phase (Taste testing/different formulas ect )to everyone who contributes....
and give everyone samples of the fineshed product as well....

Lets create the best MRP on the market for guys like ourselves..
 
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Good luck with your company I am starting one 2. I will be making everything but protein powders and MRP's.

Something Mildly anabolic - Can't think of anything dissolvable
Something that blocks estrogen - ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Something that increases nitrogen balance - L-Arginine
something that increases HGH and insliun sensitivity - GABA
 
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Kelp is iffy IMO. You can overload the body on iodine and through off thyroid function.
 
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Co enzyme Q10 - Depending on where you are trying to be at price wise this can vary. CoQ10 is expensive but worth every penny IMO. I take 200mg's ED but that would send your product price through the roof. I would go for 50mg.
 

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Good input so far. The cost is not really an issue here though. I am able to purchase everything at cost production cost.

On the price list coQ 10 is only 180$ for a kilogram, thats 10,000 servings or 1.8 cents per serving. it is allot more expensive than most of the other stuff but still prety cheap.
 
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Good input so far. The cost is not really an issue here though. I am able to purchase everything at cost production cost.

On the price list coQ 10 is only 180$ for a kilogram, thats 10,000 servings or 1.8 cents per serving. it is allot more expensive than most of the other stuff but still prety cheap.
I think we got the same source. However shoot me a PM if we don't maybe we could help each other out. If you feel comfortable doing that.
 
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I would up the Vit C, Vit E, Vit A.

Make it so you could just do the 3 servings and ditch the usual multi vitiman.

I REALLY like the way you are thinking and depending upon price would be first in line.
 
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Weird, server must be down. They're the only game in town for the potassium-salt form of ALA. They supply all the supps-cos.
Well I hope it is just a server problem. I been looking all over for that stuff.
 

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I would up the Vit C, Vit E, Vit A.

Make it so you could just do the 3 servings and ditch the usual multi vitiman.

I REALLY like the way you are thinking and depending upon price would be first in line.
What amounts would you like to see ?
Be more specific please, as soon as we all agree on the formula I will get it started...
 
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I would like to see something other than whey in my MRP. Something slower absorbing like micellar. Also a higher fiber content, and less sugar.
 
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Well I hope it is just a server problem. I been looking all over for that stuff.
I'm sure that's all it is... they've been around for a long time. They make the coenzymated-form of KRALA as well, but it's hellish expensive. They're really nice to deal with in bulk, great CS.
 
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I would like to see something other than whey in my MRP. Something slower absorbing like micellar. Also a higher fiber content, and less sugar.
I agree when and something slower absorbing.
 
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What amounts would you like to see ?
Be more specific please, as soon as we all agree on the formula I will get it started...
There are other guys who are MUCH more up on how much but it seems alot of guys like a TOTAL for the DAY

A- 25000iu
C- 3000 mg

E- 400 - 600 IU

So maybe divide those numbers by 3 so if you used it 3 times a day you would get those totals. Might also encourage people to use it more times perday and help your sales.

I haven't examined the other amounts to figure out what I would like to see, but will do and get back to it.
 

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i would also like to see something with a decent fiber content
 
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This is what i would like to see.

On dosing/capping...
-Bottles that lasts AT LEAST 1 month at the right BB doses.
-Doses of 1-2 caps MAX per day. NO 5-6-7-n: that's bullshit.

On stuff i would like to see...
A couple simple things:
1) I would really like to see a bottle of high-dosed vit E ALONE (i would make 500 or 1000 IU caps).
2) CoQ10 @100mg caps.
3) Axastantin (i dont remember the dose here, but i think it should be 500mg or more)
4) Flax seed *powder* in caps or tabs
5) Milk Thristle powder, raw in 200g+ bottle
 
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My MRP formula:

30% WPI
15% Micellar casein
15% Bovine plasma

20% maltodextrin (or better rice syrup)
15% flax seed power
5% of vitamins, bcaa, oligominerals
 

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This is what i would like to see.

On dosing/capping...
-Bottles that lasts AT LEAST 1 month at the right BB doses.
-Doses of 1-2 caps MAX per day. NO 5-6-7-n: that's bullshit.
That would be great as well as powder with low sugar
 
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My MRP formula:

30% WPI
15% Micellar casein
15% Bovine plasma

20% maltodextrin (or better rice syrup)
15% flax seed power
5% of vitamins, bcaa, oligominerals
Why would you want Rice Syrup (a carb) and flax powder (a fat) in the same meal?
 

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Im trying to get everything into 1 Drink/Mix

something like this was suggested...

Whey Isolate 50 g Creatine Monohydrate 1.25 g Creatine Phosphate 1.25 g L-Glutamine 2.5 g Taurine 1 g 5-methyl-7-methoxy-isoflavone 150 mg ecdysterone 150 mg DHEA 5 mg 6-0X0 100 mg Tribulus 100 mg HMB 1 g


Vitamin A: 9900IU

(as acetate & 66% as beta-carotene)

Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid): 1g

Vitamin D (as ergocalciferol): 680IU

Vitamin E: 300IU

(as d-a-tocopheryl acetate)

Thiamin: 76mg

(as thiamin HCl)

Riboflavin: 76mg

Niacin (as niacinamide): 82mg

Vitamin B6: 72mg

(as pyridoxine HCl)

Folic Acid: 400mcg

Vitamin B12: 6mcg

(as cyanocobalamin)

Biotin: 300mcg

Pantothenic Acid: 76mg

(as calcium pantothenate) Calcium (as citrate, carbonate): 2g
Phosphorus: 228mg

(as calcium phosphate)

Iodine (from kelp): 150mcg

Magnesium (as oxide): 133mg 250
Zinc (as oxide): 30mg

Selenium (as selenite): 50mcg

Copper (as sulfate): 600mcg

Manganese (as sulfate): 11mg

Chromium (as picolinate): 6mcg

Potassium (as sulfate): 200mg




Amino Acid Blend:

Lysine (from lactalbumin): 300mg

Methionine: 500mg

(from lactalbumin)

Leucine (from lactalbumin): 100mg

Valine (from lactalbumin): 760mg

Threonine (from lactalbumin): 48mg

Glutamic Acid: 700mg

(from lactalbumin)

Phenylalanine: 560mg

(from lactalbumin)

Arginine (as L-arginine)




Performance Optimizers:

Siberian Ginseng (root): 2g

Oriental Ginseng (root): 250mg

Smilax officinalis (root): 500mg

Protogen A (as thioctic acid): 200mg

Inosine: 500mg

(as hypoxanthine riboside)

Pyridoxine a-Ketoglutarate (PAK): 200mg

Carnitine (as L-carnitine): 25mg

Chromium Picolinate: 50mcg

Coenzyme A: 20mg

Coenzyme B12: 10mg

Phosphatidylcholine: 200mg

Para-Aminobenzoic Acid (PABA): 400mg

Colostrum (bovine): 25mg

Argentine Liver (bovinr): 3.9g

Shark Cartilage: 1g

Choline Complex: 1.2g

Bioflavonoids (citrus): 1g




Essential Fatty Acid Complex:

Linoleic Acid: 200mg

Oleic Acid: 100mg




Digestive Enzymes:

Betaine HCl: 200mg

Pepsin: 64mg

Papain: 64mg

Ox Bile (bovine): 120mg

Pancreatin: 700mg

Mycozyme: 64mg




Let me know what you think, Im not sure that this can be done without pills or caps. Im not finding all of the ingredients on my list...
 

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Also because it is going to be taken multiple times a day I am sticking with quickly digesting protien.


And BTW- Im not really doing this to make money so the packing will be set up for the 1 month supply regardless of the bulk. I just want to come up with something that my friends and I can use conviently so that I do not have to have a cupboard full of drink/pills/packs/shakers ect...

Thank you for all of your input..keep it comming
 
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Also because it is going to be taken multiple times a day I am sticking with quickly digesting protien.


And BTW- Im not really doing this to make money so the packing will be set up for the 1 month supply regardless of the bulk. I just want to come up with something that my friends and I can use conviently so that I do not have to have a cupboard full of drink/pills/packs/shakers ect...

Thank you for all of your input..keep it comming
Actually with the creatine and fast digesting I wouldn't buy it.

Reason being I don't want ANYTHING fast digesting unless it is a post workout drink and I don't want to take creatine 365 days a year.

Perhaps other bros love it but I wouldn't.
 
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I don't see the point of making it "fast acting" when it's an MRP. I would up the HMB dose as well, jmo.
 
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Will you be having any published studies on this cocktail you are making to show it will work? I know many people that make there own products but I don't trust there words. I even used to make my own product with the compound machine my friend has. I am assuming you are going to be selling this right?

Alright here is the deal.
A good friend of mine works for a pharm Lab here in San Diego and he is willing to produce Powders, Pills or Mixed drinks for me at cost if I come up with a formula. So I thought that it would be a good Idea to turn to the most informed message board around and ask for some input on creating these formulas. I wanted to start with a MRP similar to Muscle Milk that can be used three times a day and provides all of the essential vitamines, minerals, supplements that a bodybuilder would need.

Here is what I came up with so far.
Per serving values...

60G whey Isolate
2.5 G creatine
2.5 G glutamine
Something Mildly anabolic
Something that blocks estrogen
Something that increases nitrogen balance
something that increases HGH and insliun sensitivity


Vitamin's
A- 5000iu
C- 100 mg
D- 100IU
E- 50IU
K- 40mcg
Thiamine- 2 mg
Riboflavin- 2 mg
Niacin- 20 mg
B6- 2mg
Folate- 200mcg
B12- 25mcg
Biotin- 100mcg
Pantothenic Acid - 5 mg
Calcium- 300mg
Iron- 20mg
Phosphours- 200 mg
ioidine- 200mcg
Magnessium - 250mg
Zinc- 10 mg
Selenium- 100mcg
Copper- 2 mg
Manganese- 5 mg
Chromium- 200mcg
Molybdenum- 200mcg
Chloride- 100mg
Potassium 250mg

Supplements---
Green Tea
Nickle
Vandyal Sulfate
Boron
Rose Hips
Kelp
Co enzyme Q10
Aprocot Seed
-----I need quanitys for these?

Please give me you input. I would like to know What vits and minerals you would like to see in it? Quanities / purpose? what additional supplements you would like ? Qty's/purpose ? why ? Suggestions on fillers, sweeteners ect... Most convient packaging, bucket/pack ect....Any other imput as well

Also, I will fund the production and send samples at each phase (Taste testing/different formulas ect )to everyone who contributes....
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I agree with something more than WPI. If its a MRP people are looking to skip meals, after an hour the WPI is gone now your body is starving. Throw in some cassein, egg or soy. With the soy you would get the added methoxy by itself.
 
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2 year old thread guys!!!
 

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Ah, quite interesting. Lets see, how about you add in some casein along with some pheraplex and a little bit of TIME. Especially about 4 minutes worth just to make up for me reading all this when it's pretty much pointless. Such is my existence!!
 

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