Bouncing ideas around for my wife, training get whole life and just looking for an edge. Not hormonal, but seeing what experience women on have with OL epic and I know it's knew assass1nate? The epicatechin product is cheap just not sure if worth it. She is looking to recomp/fatloss (of course diet and routine are the most important). Currently only taking OL vitality. Looking for muscle fullness and something to help with extended pumped look. Any suggestions welcome, thank you.