EvoMuse Presents: TopMuscle™ (writeup)

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Why? That stuff smells bad!
    I know. I'd just like other options other than vanilla. I'm not saying I don't want a cover scent at all.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Anyone heard from Matt? I generally hear or speak to him every few weeks but he hasn't been online anywhere. Just hope he's ok.
    Nothing at all. I did place an order a week back and it hasnt been updated at all. Also have an issue with a product and tried reaching out but again, no response. Frustrating. Dude has terrible luck so Im not sure if theres something going on or just negligence
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Anyone heard from Matt? I generally hear or speak to him every few weeks but he hasn't been online anywhere. Just hope he's ok.
    He did post on FB about the new top muscle version....for what thats worth.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    He did post on FB about the new top muscle version....for what thats worth.
    He responded to me on facebook about a week or so ago..he's probably working on some cover scents for Top Muscle.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Bagofturdwind View Post
    Yeah it needs something. Consistency is another thing. I’ve used 3 bottles so far. Each has varied from a mild spoiled milk smell that dissipates to an earthy BO and cologne smell to rotten, terrible spoiled milk that doesn’t dissipate and lingers throughout the entire workout. The faint smelling ones were darker and browner in color. The pungent smelling one was lighter and brown/green in color. Faint smelling, dark color ones also had far fewer black speckles in them than the potent, light colored one. I wont be using any more of the current product after my last bottle. It’s just too much of a hassle between smell, flushing/itching, staining, timing of applications. Hopefully the alterations make it more user friendly.
    Ok I just opened up a bottle of the more pungent lighter colored TopMuscle, and I totally agree the stuff is pretty hard to deal with smell wise. I had no issue with the other 3 bottles smell wise once the initial sour smell dissipated, but with the bottle I just opened the sour milk smell never fully goes away. I applied a secondary application this morning before heading out to a trampoline park with my daughter, and the smell that was emanating from myself was pretty embarrassing. I hope to hell that the few bottles I have remaining don't have this type of lingering odor.

    I'm intending to shower this stuff off right after working out (thankfully at home in the basement so I'm the only one who suffers) and avoid getting any of it on my street clothes. Hopefully the other 2 bottles I have left are of the less potent variety so I can use those for the away from workout secondary applications.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by ironkill View Post
    Nothing at all. I did place an order a week back and it hasnt been updated at all. Also have an issue with a product and tried reaching out but again, no response. Frustrating. Dude has terrible luck so Im not sure if theres something going on or just negligence
    Matt responds when he can. If he has not, pretty sure it is on his list to do. He is not negligent.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    He did post on FB about the new top muscle version....for what thats worth.
    I disabled my Facebook, so I haven't been able to check.

    Normally he's on messenger, but I haven't seen him online in quite a while. I know he's always on/off often etc.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee View Post
    Matt responds when he can. If he has not, pretty sure it is on his list to do. He is not negligent.
    I found a way to reach out to Matt and he has responded. Hes a good dude dealing with some brutal life stuff. Wishing him all the best.

  9. He responds when he can? What a joke, wheres the customer service, anyone else at the company available to answer that guys emails/messages etc?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jt75 View Post
    He responds when he can? What a joke, wheres the customer service, anyone else at the company available to answer that guys emails/messages etc?
    This is a One-man band.

  11. Matt was great when there was issues of any kind but yeah this is pretty poor now.
    I think instead of putting money into products new or old the money would be better spent focusing on maybe 3 products for now and putting the money into staff and the website until things pick up.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    This is a One-man band.
    No excuse for ignoring people who line his pockets

  13. Quote Originally Posted by jt75 View Post
    No excuse for ignoring people who line his pockets
    I can attest that his pockets aren’t very lined. He’s a better product developer than he is business man. He doesn’t charge what he could actually charge for his innovations and that’s why he’s always in a financial predicament. When his products are out of stock, he’s not making money but blowing through a lot of money because his sources and extracts are pretty hard to get consistently and up to standards. I’ve had issues in the past and he’s always made them right and if I had an issue now, I may even let it go because if you know Matt’s history, he is pretty much the unluckiest man alive and he’s always done right by me. You may feel different but to each his own.

  14. So I haven’t been following this thread.
    How’ve your results been, are any changes set to be made to the formula and are Evomuse doing any sales?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    He did post on FB about the new top muscle version....for what thats worth.
    On evomuse’s page?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Muckl3 View Post
    Matt was great when there was issues of any kind but yeah this is pretty poor now.
    I think instead of putting money into products new or old the money would be better spent focusing on maybe 3 products for now and putting the money into staff and the website until things pick up.
    I disagree.
    If Evomuse is pretty much a one man band as BigGame says then what Evomuse needs is an investor who’s either a good manager himself or can bring one in.
    From there, they need to work on their supply chain to ensure that their most popular items can stay in stock 80%+ of the time and work on their marketing. From what I’ve heard, Evomuse is a heavily under-appreciated company (one that I myself cannot even fully appreciate) that’s on the forefront of innovation in the industry. As a result, getting their name out will do a lot for the company.
    As far as possible, it makes sense to let Matt focus on formulae.

  17. Has anyone seen Dsade recently?
    I placed an order yesterday but I’m concerned that it’ll be ages before they sent it out and I’m really keen to receive it before Christmas

  18. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    Has anyone seen Dsade recently?
    I placed an order yesterday but I’m concerned that it’ll be ages before they sent it out and I’m really keen to receive it before Christmas
    He's been posting more frequently on Facebook and on here the last little while. I've placed a few orders recently and he's gotten them sent out within a few days.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by max silver View Post
    He's been posting more frequently on Facebook and on here the last little while. I've placed a few orders recently and he's gotten them sent out within a few days.
    I doubt it. I have an order from two weeks ago that has not shipped yet.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    I disagree.
    If Evomuse is pretty much a one man band as BigGame says then what Evomuse needs is an investor who’s either a good manager himself or can bring one in.
    From there, they need to work on their supply chain to ensure that their most popular items can stay in stock 80%+ of the time and work on their marketing. From what I’ve heard, Evomuse is a heavily under-appreciated company (one that I myself cannot even fully appreciate) that’s on the forefront of innovation in the industry. As a result, getting their name out will do a lot for the company.
    As far as possible, it makes sense to let Matt focus on formulae.
    In my experience with "investors" or partners, the first thing they want to do is castrate the formulas. Why? Because they are expensive to make with a low profit margin.

    So why don't they simply invest in other companies? That's easy too...because I've built my reputation over the past couple of decades being the best at what I do, so they figure they can use that reputation to try and sell garbage to suckers like...a lot of other companies do. Without a reputation to base things on, then they are just another face is a highly crowded industry.

    I've said before and it still holds true...I'll go broke and off myself before I'll turn into a lying whore for a few bucks.

    Sad truth...thanks for letting me vent a bit.
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  21. I just received my upgraded TopMuscle today and I gotta say this is a massive improvement on the smell front. It has kind of a citrus vanilla sort of undertone to it. I had my wife give it a sniff test and she said it was actually quite pleasant smelling. I don't know if I expect a massive improvement in effectiveness as the beta product I'm using is already highly effective.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by max silver View Post
    I just received my upgraded TopMuscle today and I gotta say this is a massive improvement on the smell front. It has kind of a citrus vanilla sort of undertone to it. I had my wife give it a sniff test and she said it was actually quite pleasant smelling. I don't know if I expect a massive improvement in effectiveness as the beta product I'm using is already highly effective.
    The improvement in effectiveness is excellent, but expect even more soreness. I changed up the procedure to better incorporate the Arachidonic Acid without separating as much - so I went ahead and increased the content.

    One of the main keys to effectiveness, as the writeup states, is the combination of the Andrographolides (TRPV4 agonist), the Horse Chestnut (beta-Escin content) and the Arachidonic Acid. The TRPV4 agonist acts as an amplifier to the normal stretching of the cellular membranes during a strenuous workout - which increases prostaglandin release (ArA). We are also super-saturating the muscle membranes with ArA, as well as causing even more amplified release via Beta-escin.

    Beta-Escin is one of the most fascinating compounds I've ever worked with. It is used to "permeabilized" cellular membranes - which means as it is absorbed it "punches holes" in the membranes. The combination of the Andrographolides, ArA, and Beta-Escin causes workouts to be MUCH more damaging.

    Anyway, enough science sperging.

    The scent is a Vanilla-Musk - and I used genuine Musk Ketones, which also has a fantastic mental enhancing effect similar to the Renegrade Pheromone product.
    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Flawless Skin Couture - We give you the tools to make you Flawless

  23. Any links to logs on topmuscle?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jt75 View Post
    Any links to logs on topmuscle?
    I'm not sure anyone is keeping a detailed log.
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    Flawless Skin Couture - We give you the tools to make you Flawless

  25. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    In my experience with "investors" or partners, the first thing they want to do is castrate the formulas. Why? Because they are expensive to make with a low profit margin.

    So why don't they simply invest in other companies? That's easy too...because I've built my reputation over the past couple of decades being the best at what I do, so they figure they can use that reputation to try and sell garbage to suckers like...a lot of other companies do. Without a reputation to base things on, then they are just another face is a highly crowded industry.

    I've said before and it still holds true...I'll go broke and off myself before I'll turn into a lying whore for a few bucks.

    Sad truth...thanks for letting me vent a bit.
    I respect your attitude Matt

    Not all investors are like that tho.
    An investor who truly understands the industry will know better than to start skimping on the formula to increase margins in this day and age

    If you guys could keep your products in stock 80+% of the time then your yearly revenue would probably increase substantially (I’m not sure exactly how much of the time your products are usually out of stock).
    Invest some money in an initially aggressive advertising campaign to introduce more people to Evomuse and your regular consumer base would probably get substantially bigger too. This too would increase your yearly revenue and the increase in production volume needed to satiate the demand may also enable you to acquire ingredients for less, thus reducing per units costs, which would naturally slightly increase your margins and increase revenue.
    If those two things are done then your financial position would become improve by a lot, helping to pay off the initial investment.

    I actually happen to own a company that helps SMEs (small and medium sized companies) grow and/or start doing business abroad. We also offer incubation services.
    We could have a look at your company if you’d like and see if we can help.
    Drop me a PM anytime man
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