11-OXO is up as a Standalone on Prototype

[truthornothin]

11-OXO is up as a Standalone on Prototype see here 11OXO

 

[bcazo]

11-OXO is up as a Standalone on Prototype see here 11OXO

I recall that 2 bottles are needed to run an effective 30 day cycle? This true??

 

[pyrobatt]

I recall that 2 bottles are needed to run an effective 30 day cycle? This true??

The problem with 30 days is 11oxo needs more time. Try 60 days.

 

[bcazo]

The problem with 30 days is 11oxo needs more time. Try 60 days.

So would you say 60 days at the recommended dose would yield better results? Or am I going to need 4 bottles??

 

[pyrobatt]

So would you say 60 days at the recommended dose would yield better results? Or am I going to need 4 bottles??

11oxo cycles are usually 7 to 8weeks at least. For advanced users I've seen up to 12 weeks. You will need proper pct though.

 

[JD261985]

So 4 bottles? When the hell is TAA gonna be back in stock? Its been like a week

 

[pyrobatt]

So 4 bottles?

75mg per pill. Best dosage is anywhere from 225 to 600 mg. 225 mg would be mild but you will see some results. PA knows what hes doing though. Im glad he jumped on the 11x train before its gone.

I would buy 5 for a good run.

 

[cubs1987]

at a dose of 600/day for 8 wks, you would need 5, which is what I am planning on doing

 

[JD261985]

Ok ill just get 6

 

[3clipseGT]

Good to see folks jumping on this!

 

[JD261985]

Ok picked up 6 niceeeee.I have a little over a half bottle of 11 spray too which will be gone soon unfortunately

 

[Nic1]

11oxo cycles are usually 7 to 8weeks at least. For advanced users I've seen up to 12 weeks. You will need proper pct though.

Would you need PCT on a 8 week 600mg cycle?

 

[truthornothin]

So would you say 60 days at the recommended dose would yield better results? Or am I going to need 4 bottles??

Most people feel that the best results on 11 oxo are felt inside 30 days and there are diminishing returns after. So 2 bottles. PCT isn't going to hurt you but I've never experienced any appreciable shutdown(shrinkage) on and 11 oxo cycle.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Most people feel that the best results on 11 oxo are felt inside 30 days and there are diminishing returns after. So 2 bottles. PCT isn't going to hurt you but I've never experienced any appreciable shutdown(shrinkage) on and 11 oxo cycle.

yeah i usually feel leaning out within a couple of weeks

 

[bcazo]

Most people feel that the best results on 11 oxo are felt inside 30 days and there are diminishing returns after. So 2 bottles. PCT isn't going to hurt you but I've never experienced any appreciable shutdown(shrinkage) on and 11 oxo cycle.

Thanks this was my thinking as well..

 

[pyrobatt]

Would you need PCT on a 8 week 600mg cycle?

You would need pct any dose. .11x is a hormone.

 

[pyrobatt]

Most people feel that the best results on 11 oxo are felt inside 30 days and there are diminishing returns after. So 2 bottles. PCT isn't going to hurt you but I've never experienced any appreciable shutdown(shrinkage) on and 11 oxo cycle.

???I have never seen a cycle go 4 weeks with 11oxo. Too short. Speaking as someone who has ran 11x it does kick in around week 3 but the fat loss/gains kept going till about the 9 week mark.

 

[Nic1]

You would need pct any dose. .11x is a hormone.

Ah, I thought it depended on your dosage.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Ah, I thought it depended on your dosage.

hormones can recover quite uneventfully after normal 11-oxo usage without a PCT. There is not very much suppression

 

[pyrobatt]

hormones can recover quite uneventfully after normal 11-oxo usage without a PCT. There is not very much suppression

By normal what dose are you referring to?

I also would like to point out recovery is harder for people over 35 correct? Would you suggest no pct for them?

I should also mention an otc pct will do for 11x

Also I think there has been some confusion. I believe pct is needed on every compound. Not due to suppression but due to the maintenance of the gains you got on cycle. Recover faster,keep gains easier. Needless to say im sure you're caught up on the literature of recovery. Hdrol doesn't need a pct per se because we have seen case after case of recovery after years of abuse of multiple steroids.
But the bad thing about letting it recover on its own is 3 months in and you'll still be recovering hormonal wise vs 2 *complete recovery or atleast good numbers* with a proper pct.

Just my .02 though. You know more about it though.

 

[truthornothin]

You can run pct if you like it most certainly will not hurt. I run TF2 and some kind of anti e almost year round. It's just that 11 oxo is only mildly suppressive so that pct is not a necessity

 

[3clipseGT]

Yea i saw minimal suppression when i ran 11-oxo for 8 weeks. Still ran a pct to be safe though.

 

[dollar662]

any shipping discount codes ? picking up 4/5 bottles the shipping increase with each bottle and makes it pricey

Thanks for consideration

 

[Patrick Arnold]

any shipping discount codes ? picking up 4/5 bottles the shipping increase with each bottle and makes it pricey

Thanks for consideration

free shipping for orders over 200 bucks i believe

 

[3clipseGT]

any shipping discount codes ? picking up 4/5 bottles the shipping increase with each bottle and makes it pricey

Thanks for consideration

Any order over 200 gets free shipping, which is nice.

 

[dollar662]

Agree the free shipping is a nice deal only issue is some of the other products I'm interested in have been ooo for a month or so. That being taa and ketoforce so not making the 200 mark

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Agree the free shipping is a nice deal only issue is some of the other products I'm interested in have been ooo for a month or so. That being taa and ketoforce so not making the 200 mark

sorry about that, these should be back any day

 

[dollar662]

sorry about that, these should be back any day

Cool , thanks for update !

 

[3clipseGT]

sorry about that, these should be back any day

Great news.

 

[monstermash]

Is 11-oxo gonna be banned or something? I saw prototypes site has pills and not the spray. Why the switch? Tried it when it first came out and loved it. Might want to add it to something i have planned so is this something i need to get ASAP or will there be more batches? Pills as effective as the spray?

 

[3clipseGT]

Is 11-oxo gonna be banned or something? I saw prototypes site has pills and not the spray. Why the switch? Tried it when it first came out and loved it. Might want to add it to something i have planned so is this something i need to get ASAP or will there be more batches? Pills as effective as the spray?

There should be no reason 11-oxo would be banned. As far as i know more batches of 11-oxo should be produced.

The spray is what the pills convert into. Spray was 11-ketotestosterone and the pills are adrenosterone.

 

[pyrobatt]

There should be no reason 11-oxo would be banned. As far as i know more batches of 11-oxo should be produced.

The spray is what the pills convert into. Spray was 11-ketotestosterone and the pills are adrenosterone.

11x will never be banned at this point. Been around forever.

 

[monstermash]

There should be no reason 11-oxo would be banned. As far as i know more batches of 11-oxo should be produced.

The spray is what the pills convert into. Spray was 11-ketotestosterone and the pills are adrenosterone.

ohh! I see, thanks for the clarification. So is the spray coming back ever?

 

[3clipseGT]

ohh! I see, thanks for the clarification. So is the spray coming back ever?

I am honestly not sure. Its probably not likely.

 

[rphash49]

ohh! I see, thanks for the clarification. So is the spray coming back ever?

+1

I would also like to know. I plan on using for a cut cycle starting in Feb

 

[3clipseGT]

+1

I would also like to know. I plan on using for a cut cycle starting in Feb

Most likely not coming back.

 

[monstermash]

Any difference in effectiveness between the two?

 

[3clipseGT]

Any difference in effectiveness between the two?

Between 11 oxo and 11kt?

You will need more 11-oxo but the end results IMO should be the same.

 

[monstermash]

Between 11 oxo and 11kt?

You will need more 11-oxo but the end results IMO should be the same.

Ok, I'm going with prototype 11-oxo should i ramp up the dose or start with a high dose (6-7 caps/day) right off the bat?

 

[3clipseGT]

Ok, I'm going with prototype 11-oxo should i ramp up the dose or start with a high dose (6-7 caps/day) right off the bat?

Id start with the recommended doseage of 3 caps and assess from there.

Others have run 11 Oxo upwords of like a gram a day though i believe.

 

[monstermash]

Id start with the recommended doseage of 3 caps and assess from there.

Others have run 11 Oxo upwords of like a gram a day though i believe.

Ok, sounds good. A gram?! I'm not looking to drop that kinda dough... plus, it's going to be part of a stack with injectable AAS so prolly won't need that much anyway. Just lookingto take advantage of it's cortisol lowering properties and hardening effect while I drop my bf%.

 

[3clipseGT]

Ok, sounds good. A gram?! I'm not looking to drop that kinda dough... plus, it's going to be part of a stack with injectable AAS so prolly won't need that much anyway. Just lookingto take advantage of it's cortisol lowering properties and hardening effect while I drop my bf%.

Yea i know.

Then yea like i said start at 3 a day and assess from there.

 

[truthornothin]

Id start with the recommended doseage of 3 caps and assess from there.

Others have run 11 Oxo upwords of like a gram a day though i believe.

currently using 6 caps per day and getting good results

 

[3clipseGT]

currently using 6 caps per day and getting good results

Very nice! Im stoked to run mine in february.

 

[Schwuppes]

hey guys,

Just a thought... what if one was to break the capsules apart and take the powder sublingually?

 

[truthornothin]

It certainly cannot hurt anything, as you will swallow the contents at any rate. I just don't know if you'll get any added benefit

 

[Schwuppes]

Ask Pat for me please

 

[Schwuppes]

Just another question on dosing lol... when taking 3 caps a day, better to take them all at once in the morning? Or 2 morning, 1 lunch... or 1 cap at breakfast, lunch and dinner?

Cheers

 

[3clipseGT]

Just another question on dosing lol... when taking 3 caps a day, better to take them all at once in the morning? Or 2 morning, 1 lunch... or 1 cap at breakfast, lunch and dinner?

Cheers

The latter 2 dosing schemes would be what I go with. I typically dose 2 with breakfast and 1 later in the day. This just makes it easier for me to remember what ive taken which is why I take it this way.