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  1. Quote Originally Posted by jt75 View Post
    A good pump product would be great
    I agree a pre workout product should help with pump but most formulators don't fully understand how a pump works. They think if you consume 350mg caffeine and assorted other stims then you'll get a great pump. But no.
    Adding citrulline and the like to these huge stim packages is useless. May as well not include the vasodilators.

    Ours will have some Stims but much less than you commonly see.

    But you'll get a great pump still.
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...ml#post6117119

    Join along.
    I will be logging Vector to see the impact the product has when added into a controlled environment.

    If anyone has another 1-2 bottles to spare I would be glad to trade for them
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  3. Hi everybody! After all the feeds received by Vector I'm really interested in giving it a try, stacking it with FD2.0 (which I already used and liked in the past).
    I would like to ask (in particular to @brundel ) if in your experience:
    - is the dosage somehow connected to the bodyweight? For example, assuming that the 6 caps dosage is thinked for an avarage 170-190 lbs natural trained male, would a lower dose (like 4-5 caps) be sufficient for a, lets say, 140-150 lbs male and so a higher dose (7-8 caps?) be good for a 200+ lbs man?
    - do you think that 2 caps is the real minimum single serving you want to take for Vector? I mean, assuming to take it around meals (considering an Off day), It Will be better to take 2 caps before the 3 largest meal of the day (for example breakfast, lunch and dinner) or it is possibile to furtherly divide the dosage, taking just one cap before every single meal of the day (considering also 2-3 snacks between meals), so taking lowest but more frequent doses? Is the 2 caps standard serving thinked like a minimum quantity to reach a kind of "minimum activity" of the actives like Epi, UA, CA, etc?

  4. Iíve just bought this again and noticed one of the ingredients is different. What is viscum album? Didnít that used to be Korean mistletoe?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by realityy View Post
    Iíve just bought this again and noticed one of the ingredients is different. What is viscum album? Didnít that used to be Korean mistletoe?
    Korean Mistletoe = Viscum Album Extract


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  6. Quote Originally Posted by bigjoe90 View Post
    Hi everybody! After all the feeds received by Vector I'm really interested in giving it a try, stacking it with FD2.0 (which I already used and liked in the past).
    I would like to ask (in particular to @brundel ) if in your experience:
    - is the dosage somehow connected to the bodyweight? For example, assuming that the 6 caps dosage is thinked for an avarage 170-190 lbs natural trained male, would a lower dose (like 4-5 caps) be sufficient for a, lets say, 140-150 lbs male and so a higher dose (7-8 caps?) be good for a 200+ lbs man?
    - do you think that 2 caps is the real minimum single serving you want to take for Vector? I mean, assuming to take it around meals (considering an Off day), It Will be better to take 2 caps before the 3 largest meal of the day (for example breakfast, lunch and dinner) or it is possibile to furtherly divide the dosage, taking just one cap before every single meal of the day (considering also 2-3 snacks between meals), so taking lowest but more frequent doses? Is the 2 caps standard serving thinked like a minimum quantity to reach a kind of "minimum activity" of the actives like Epi, UA, CA, etc?
    Hey bud
    Vector dosing is based off of over a year or trials and testing at different doses including testing for percentages of active compounds.
    Currently each extract is a 100:1 @1000mg each.
    You want to take all 6 caps. Many of the chemicals that are doing the work here are present in the right quantities at 6 caps.
    If you reduce this you then reduce the efficacy of multiple ingredients and you will likely be disappointed.
    You can do 2x3 caps or 3 x 2 caps. Its best to split the doses up though.
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  7. If anyone wants to follow, I am logging Vector for at least 8 weeks, not changing training or eating. In the supp log section.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ValiantThor08 View Post
    If anyone wants to follow, I am logging Vector for at least 8 weeks, not changing training or eating. In the supp log section.
    Following.
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    Follidrone 2.0 | Vector | Letrone | Rebirth | Exotherm | Nootrol | Viron | Prolactrone +
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  9. Hi Brundel, after a time off on the stack vector and FD2.0, Iím back on it since was great, specially for bulking.

    Iíve now bought the supplements through different source, and the fact is that packaging seems to be different.. example, just bought from predator nutrition and the Vector package comes with a different top cap, the FD2.0 doesnít bring the regular shining sticker that used to have.. is this normal? Just wanna make sure Iím buying the right thing

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Jpv20 View Post
    Hi Brundel, after a time off on the stack vector and FD2.0, I’m back on it since was great, specially for bulking.

    I’ve now bought the supplements through different source, and the fact is that packaging seems to be different.. example, just bought from predator nutrition and the Vector package comes with a different top cap, the FD2.0 doesn’t bring the regular shining sticker that used to have.. is this normal? Just wanna make sure I’m buying the right thing
    Vector tops used to be ribbed but this was just because the smooth ones were not available at production time.
    From now on youll only see smooth.

    The shiny stickers were there because the inner seals were weaker than we had expected so this was to prevent people from assuming tampering.
    There are no more stickers. The seal is internal pressure seal.
    Also future bottles....next few months or so will all have heat shrink outer and pressure inner seals.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by gnbbc View Post
    Korean Mistletoe = Viscum Album Extract


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    oh right, of course! didn't read it properly lol.


    on another note, everytime I take this I get a "fishy" odor from my sweat. This is the 2nd time (2nd run) this happens... anyone know what this is? anyone else get it?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by realityy View Post
    oh right, of course! didn't read it properly lol.


    on another note, everytime I take this I get a "fishy" odor from my sweat. This is the 2nd time (2nd run) this happens... anyone know what this is? anyone else get it?
    The scent could be trimethylamine in your sweat of a host of other things.
    Are you in ketosis?
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  13. I’ve been taking vector since April and never noticed a fishy smell

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Mack19 View Post
    Iíve been taking vector since April and never noticed a fishy smell
    I've taken it for 3 months and have not noticed a smell
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by bswanny View Post
    I've taken it for 3 months and have not noticed a smell
    What benefits have you noticed from a 3 month run?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by pfresh View Post
    What benefits have you noticed from a 3 month run?
    I didn't see any. I do like other BLR products but did not benefit from Vector
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by bswanny View Post
    I didn't see any. I do like other BLR products but did not benefit from Vector
    That's too bad. I had high hopes for this product. Based on what I've heard lately I think I may regret buying it. I may have to log it to see for myself. It's been a few years since I ran a log so now may be the time.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by pfresh View Post
    That's too bad. I had high hopes for this product. Based on what I've heard lately I think I may regret buying it. I may have to log it to see for myself. It's been a few years since I ran a log so now may be the time.
    Everyone responds differently. I'm pretty spot on with my regime so I have very little variables when trying something new. I'd definitely say give it a shot though
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by bswanny View Post
    Everyone responds differently. I'm pretty spot on with my regime so I have very little variables when trying something new. I'd definitely say give it a shot though
    I do track every workout and weigh all my food so there wouldn't be many variables. Idk that bigsmalls guy says you need to crank your calories on it . I wouldn't mind cranking the calories up and seeing if I got fat af. I have a skulpt body fat tracker so if I did take his advice and crank the cals I guess I would be able to see if it made me into beefcake from South Park.

  20. I love Vector - been using it as a staple since it came out.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    I love Vector - been using it as a staple since it came out.
    If someone was to run a 3 month bulk and they were going to take vector, how would you suggest they set up their calories to find the sweet spot for lean muscle gain?
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    I am about 6 weeks in with minimal results as well. I am up a few pounds, a bit stronger, recovery is better, sleep is a touch deeper. But nothing that really sticks out

    Quote Originally Posted by bswanny View Post
    Everyone responds differently. I'm pretty spot on with my regime so I have very little variables when trying something new. I'd definitely say give it a shot though
    Same here. The only thing I have changed is adding in vector. I am not changing any nutrition or training during my run to see what the product does in a "Controlled" environment. If you truly want to give feedback on a product you want to minimize changing varaibles and factors.

    If you do that, then you are playing a guessing game on how much was training related, how much was nutrition related, how much was vector when you try and factor in bumping calories all the time, or modifying volume of your training, amount of cardio etc.

    I was in a surplus before starting my log and am slowly gaining weight around 1-1.5lbs a month ATM

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by pfresh View Post
    If someone was to run a 3 month bulk and they were going to take vector, how would you suggest they set up their calories to find the sweet spot for lean muscle gain?
    Most folks find that they need to eat more just to maintain on Vector. I needed to add a small meal just to maintain under a recomp. I would aim to eat and drink enough to gain one half to one pound per week. If you like what you see...aim for one pound. Vector shines in a bulk and imo provides the most lean mass of any other natural supplement. I am a super easy gainer. If you are not you may need to conserve more calories at the gym to help meet your weekly weight goal. Good luck on your run brother..

  24. Quote Originally Posted by pfresh View Post
    If someone was to run a 3 month bulk and they were going to take vector, how would you suggest they set up their calories to find the sweet spot for lean muscle gain?
    Here is the best way to utilize Vector and Vector stacks. we have guys at the warehouse running only BLR products. One just passed the 20lbs increase with just a small increase in bodyfat. Not bad for natural products. 12 weeks.

    We suggest an progressive increase in calories. This is the same as you would do with a steroid cycle. No intelligent person takes steroids and then changes nothing. The same goes for this. If you want to see the best results you will need to increase cals progressively.
    You cant build a new wall without adding new bricks and you cant build new muscle without caloric surplus.
    Steroids may allow for weight gain without massive surplus but this is water and glycogen retention. Also why you see all these guys who have run 10 PH/AAS/DS cycles and weigh 175lbs. No increase in cals. They think they are growing because the scale shows the water retention etc but no.
    Bodybuilding is done at the dinner table.
    Paying for a 12 week cycle and not utilizing it doesnt seem wise.

    1. Add 100 -150 cals per week. Make sure protein is at 1.5 to 2g per lb of TARGET bodyweight.
    1 gal water daily.
    Lots of sleep.

    2. Progressive weight and rep increases. For this purpose I suggest DC training.
    Its perfectly designed for bulking cycles and is wickedly effective if adhered to properly. I gained 75lbs of lean mass running DC bulkers. Steroids yes.
    But it works just as well for non steroid cycles and if you do things properly there is no reason you cant gain 20lbs on a bulker. 100% of the guys at the office are clean and running BLR only stacks and pretty much all are growing well. So far one of our guys is up to 242lbs from 119.
    I cant link to other forums etc
    but Google
    =Doggcrapp. There is a decent tnation article with a program outlined.
    Another is at simplyshredded.
    These are both good.
    The tnation program outline works very well. Adhere to it strictly including rest days and stretching.
    The rest pause techniques allow you to continually increase reps and weight over the 12 weeks.

    Take before and after shots. You wont believe the changes.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    I am about 6 weeks in with minimal results as well. I am up a few pounds, a bit stronger, recovery is better, sleep is a touch deeper. But nothing that really sticks out



    Same here. The only thing I have changed is adding in vector. I am not changing any nutrition or training during my run to see what the product does in a "Controlled" environment. If you truly want to give feedback on a product you want to minimize changing varaibles and factors.

    If you do that, then you are playing a guessing game on how much was training related, how much was nutrition related, how much was vector when you try and factor in bumping calories all the time, or modifying volume of your training, amount of cardio etc.

    I was in a surplus before starting my log and am slowly gaining weight around 1-1.5lbs a month ATM

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...es-vector.html
    Seems pretty good if you changed absolutely nothing but still gained a few lbs and some strength plus improved sleep.
    Imagine if you had properly utilized the cycle!!
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