Would a taking a lie detector test be more efficient way of testing Pro's
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Cellardude
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lie dectors measures reactions. If you know how it works, you can get past it. Lots of natural leagues still have people who cheat. They figure the half lifes of compounds they are illegal, they run it, and they know how to avoid making the detector go nuts. Its not impossible. It also depends on the person doing the lie detector test. I think the competence of the person and his ability to ask and guage in questions also measures the accuracy of the lie detector. Even with the best lie detector examiners im sure that its still like a 95% rate of being accurate. I think an average rate of being correct is fairly low though somewhere in the 60% range when the tester is not that well experienced.
b unit
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Trip, it's a paradoxical statement to point out an already absurd organisation such as the IFBB and it's current drug testing policy.
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TripDog
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my bad, just being me..lol.futurepilot
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I think they use if for some natural competitions, if you place.
b unit
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do you not think that an organisation as rich as the IFBB could not afford the best in the business at administering a polygraph test?
b unit
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all good bro :thumbsup:
Omen
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"Lie detectors" are admissible in court, besides that, traitors in this country have passed it. In fact, a Polygraph measures your signs along with the administrator who is supposed to monitor your body language too to establish "base behavior", like base signs and see when deviations occur and observe variations and what they say, a variation isn't always lying....and vice versa.
If the IFBB will hire the best administrators, the bodybuilders will hire or explore counter intelligence personnel to debrief them on "passing the poly".
Fact is, the DEA needs bodybuilders to use drugs so they can have jobs, the market needs drugs so they can boost sales of legal "drugs and supplements" indirectly and people do wanna see muscle freaks.
All in all, the current way is working fine, not everyone is happy with it, but in the big picture, it's working out good.
If the IFBB will hire the best administrators, the bodybuilders will hire or explore counter intelligence personnel to debrief them on "passing the poly".
Fact is, the DEA needs bodybuilders to use drugs so they can have jobs, the market needs drugs so they can boost sales of legal "drugs and supplements" indirectly and people do wanna see muscle freaks.
All in all, the current way is working fine, not everyone is happy with it, but in the big picture, it's working out good.
John Smeton
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If anyone is that big there using steroids simple as that! You can get big without them but not freaky.
rugger48
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Truthfully he has a point, why even test them. everybody is on a level playing filed. They maybe using , but all the IFBB pros are definitly on level playing feild, so why waste time testing them.
Nightwanderer
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LMAO! This statement is a self evident contradiction, it shows there's obviously enough crack floating around to keep the DEA busy enough.... I'm sure the DEA has plenty to do with all the coke and MJ coming through from south america, most of the world's opium via afghanistan, etc...
ecu19
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but but, I thought wikipedia always had factual information...
MentalTwitch
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yea, peopel like to think its easy no chance.
The testing the IFBB is NOT for steroids, its just not spoken about what the testing is.
They have anti-"doping" testing ....i.e. heroin, weed, cocaine....etc etc....
They know the guys use the juice and if you look at any info ever released on the "testing" they do...its either "random" which means they prolly ask the athlete if they can use the name OR it is done on all of them which would be the previosu mentioned.
No one is so naieve to think they dont juice...if they do, they need to come out fomr under the rock they live under and experience the world.
The testing the IFBB is NOT for steroids, its just not spoken about what the testing is.
They have anti-"doping" testing ....i.e. heroin, weed, cocaine....etc etc....
They know the guys use the juice and if you look at any info ever released on the "testing" they do...its either "random" which means they prolly ask the athlete if they can use the name OR it is done on all of them which would be the previosu mentioned.
No one is so naieve to think they dont juice...if they do, they need to come out fomr under the rock they live under and experience the world.
Nightwanderer
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I dunno, plenty of grown men 35+ who have been watching WWF/WWE/WWhatever-the-hell it's called these days since the early hulk hogan days who refuse to consider the fact that it's rather blatantly choreographed, so I would think there's just as many out there that think only a minority of pro BBers are on the juice. Personally I wish a real effort to stop pro juicing would
someday happen, the athletes are so big and bloated now they're become living cartoons. When I was little there was only one guy who used drugs to get huge, and like the GH using BBers of today, he too ended up with an awful looking bloated gut, but it was ok because he was afterall, just a cartoon.
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pistonpump
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whats liniment?
MentalTwitch
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Taking away steroids fomr BB's is like taking the ball away from a basketball player....it leaves the game pointless.
John Smeton
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ever seen the show on MTV where the guys friend is in his ear and has a lie dectector test set up and can tell if the girl/guy is lying?
b unit
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maybe it's easy in the movies however i think that it really wouldn't be that easy to fool an expert tester and top of the ranger polygraph machine.
and anyway this thread was a paradoxical statement to point out an already absurd organisation such as the IFBB, it's current drug testing policy and just the general B.S that's feed to the BB'ing fans and consumers of BB realted products that use top pro's to endorse as what was their "edge" in winning a title.
ecu19
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That's called voice stress analysis, and i won't even get into how pointless those are.
This describes it better than I can, I don't want to re-invent the wheel to explain it;
wikipedia said:
Mach .78
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Very true. The type is important.
I shouldn't have said it was easy, because my stomach was in knots the whole time. The most important thing during the Poly I did, was to give the examiner a little info of my past but not enough to hang myself. Just remember, they don't expect anyone to be a Saint.
I knew the questions and the way they would be asked from that book. It was textbook. From the examiner trying to befriend me, to showing me who was in charge. I was chuckling inside.
Hey, I read about that trick!
b unit
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maybe you could go earn some easy money if you're that good at beating it bro.
Fox's - The Moment of Truth
Mach .78
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No thanks. I'm good. Once is enough. The experience was much weirder than that show. The person asking me the questions was nice but kinda strange. They start off by telling you that they want to see you do well. Maybe they do, but don't let down your guard until after the test, after you have left the building.
They asked me if I had read anything about beating the polygraph.
Nope.
Arm yourself with knowledge people so you aren't taken advantage of.
Google "Zeitgeist" for an interesting movie of how people attempt to control people. The polygragh is a tool of fear, which is very effective in most instances of making you fear yourself. I'll post the movie in the General Chat section.
They asked me if I had read anything about beating the polygraph.
Nope.
Arm yourself with knowledge people so you aren't taken advantage of.
Google "Zeitgeist" for an interesting movie of how people attempt to control people. The polygragh is a tool of fear, which is very effective in most instances of making you fear yourself. I'll post the movie in the General Chat section.
John Smeton
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I looked up some other moment of truths..wow I was shaking inside how people really are....everyone! its not just you! and most likely you are a better person than some of this. i know I am as I compared myself to some of these last night...I believe I am a good person and you can honestly "feel" out whether your answer is true or flase when you ask yourself certain questions
Jayhawkk
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Everyone i've met who has done a complete background poly feels dirty and like a criminal after completing one. There's a lot of things we just put behind us and until it's reminded what we may have done, do we remember. I'm all for polys for people in positions of power and influence that can lead to corruption.
John Smeton
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You also have to realize many of the leaders made so many mistakes thats how that got into that position
off topic...people people overcompensate when they get older for things they didnt have when younger
example the boy with the burnt legs who was told hell never walk again broke some kind of a race record.
the poorer people(like Asains) who come to American and get filthy rich because they see the opportunities American provides that wherever they were didnt/ Amewricans just have to open our eyes, its here!
I could go on with more examples I think you get the point
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Omen
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I put it the wrong way.
But, LE needs criminals, weather real or perceived by unfair laws, without criminals LE has almost no purpose.
Jayhawkk,
I didn't say it would be easy for me, I never got trained to deceive the poly, but there are people, resources, etc... who'll teach you.
The only reason I said it was easy because my friend was in the 75th Ranger battalion(left the Military somewhere around 2000-2002) said he could pass one and correct me if I'm wrong, that they teach you to pass a poly in some Military training, I'll find out in 09.
John Smeton
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Of course I all the former things I consider downright need to be locked up and or some kind of punishment
The former is normal human nature; although can be eliminated or minimized
John Smeton
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any way to get on the show? I'd do it
RobInKuwait
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This couldn't be further from the truth. Polygraphs are NOT admissable in court under any circumstances.
Polygraph are only as effective as the polygrapher. A good polygrapher will not be fooled 99% of the time. They typically go through 9 months of training exclusively in polygraphing. The tricks you hear about such as taking depressants prior to the test, ect do not work, they just mask the spikes in the polygraph, but there are still spikes.
jjohn
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No theyre not 100%. Fight or flight can be controlled. Not easily, butit CAN be done.
Anyways, they are not admissible in court. Anyways in Canada.. They serve as something to make you tell the truth. It's all a mind game.
hardknock
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I've taken 3 that were administered at 3 different times in my life by "supposed" specialist and I've passed 2 of them with no problem. I've had to help administer two myself, and have seen one guy pass it but he was lying, never proven, but he confessed about 1 year later to a rape case.(edit: to info leading to his conviction of a rape case)
Also, to add to this topic, it depends on what your being tested to detect lying for and state of mind.
If you have convinced yourself of something then the chances of detection are low. I can be a freaking psychotic baboon, and if i've convinced myself that I did not murder someone, then in my mind's reality, it's true that i didn't, if in my twisted mind I have convinced myself that i did not...
But, that's on the case of someone not sane, so..
It's like someone that is tripping on acid thinking that they can fly, if you ask them during a poly test if they can fly, they will say yes and the chances of detection for a lie is then again, low...
To answer my opinion on the topic...not really due to the fact that I can't see the point in it.
ecu19
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I could have sworn that they are admissible if and only if both parties agree to it (which would be highly unlikely if the defendant knows they did it...).
RobInKuwait
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I was trained never admissible. The state can't mention that they even asked them to take a polygraph.
However, that may be true if about if the prosecution and defense agree. I can't see that ever happening. You would have to have a retarded defense attorney to have him support admitting anything that would helpful to the prosecution's case.