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Hello guysm so I have the following products, I have 1 each of alpha 4 and icon one(had 2 each originally, but then we had a lockdown so the gyms closed and I only did half the intended course). And I have 2 each of ultra hard and ultra eleven.

From the above, whats the best pairing and what do they bring each, Id prefer to lose a bit of stomach fat while keeping or gaining some muscle. Im guessing probably best to buy 1 more bottle of icon one and alpha 4 and do the cycle fully
 
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You have a lot of options here. I agree that you should get 1 more of the A4 and especially the I1. With the A4 it may not be necessary, depending on the overall stack plan.

You could even stack all of the mentioned products and there wouldn't really be overlapping issues and they would all add to eachothers effects. In practice it would be difficult to find enough skin space, unless applying multiple times a day.

For fat loss the U11 would help the most. UH would be a nice addition to cutting cycle, but in fairness UH is a nice addition to any run with the energy, mood and strenght increase. I1 is by far the most anabolic and would help with maintaining muscle the most and could even allow you to grow some lean mass, while on a deficit. A4 is a great test base -product, but I wouldn't personally use it, unless running the I1 or experiencing low T/E sides.

U11: lowers cortisol, sheds fat, helps in sparing muscle, farely mild on sides and easy to recover from.

I1: most anabolic, most suppressive, some users report lethargy, for some users the DHEA in I1 is not enough for a base and for them the addition of A4 will come in handy.

A4: best base for anything, may not be needed with the other products here, other than the I1. I would call suppressive.

UH: very versatile and a nice addition to any cycle. Energy, mood, strenght, libido and hardness, if lean enough to notice. Farely mild on sides and easy to recover from.

You could do a cutting cycle now with U11 + UH. And later on do a (lean) bulking cycle with I1 + A4.

Or if you bathe in TD's like @thebigt you can stack all of them and go for recomp or lean bulk or aggressive cut while maintaining lean mass.

The stacking options are pretty much endless, lol.
 
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Hello guysm so I have the following products, I have 1 each of alpha 4 and icon one(had 2 each originally, but then we had a lockdown so the gyms closed and I only did half the intended course). And I have 2 each of ultra hard and ultra eleven.

From the above, whats the best pairing and what do they bring each, Id prefer to lose a bit of stomach fat while keeping or gaining some muscle. Im guessing probably best to buy 1 more bottle of icon one and alpha 4 and do the cycle fully
yes, i would split into 2 separate cycles...ideally i would run 2 bottle each of icon one and alpha four and save the ultra hard and ultra eleven for another cycle.

you can use my code THEBIGT to save 20% off at iconic formulations.
 

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You have a lot of options here. I agree that you should get 1 more of the A4 and especially the I1. With the A4 it may not be necessary, depending on the overall stack plan.

You could even stack all of the mentioned products and there wouldn't really be overlapping issues and they would all add to eachothers effects. In practice it would be difficult to find enough skin space, unless applying multiple times a day.

For fat loss the U11 would help the most. UH would be a nice addition to cutting cycle, but in fairness UH is a nice addition to any run with the energy, mood and strenght increase. I1 is by far the most anabolic and would help with maintaining muscle the most and could even allow you to grow some lean mass, while on a deficit. A4 is a great test base -product, but I wouldn't personally use it, unless running the I1 or experiencing low T/E sides.

U11: lowers cortisol, sheds fat, helps in sparing muscle, farely mild on sides and easy to recover from.

I1: most anabolic, most suppressive, some users report lethargy, for some users the DHEA in I1 is not enough for a base and for them the addition of A4 will come in handy.

A4: best base for anything, may not be needed with the other products here, other than the I1. I would call suppressive.

UH: very versatile and a nice addition to any cycle. Energy, mood, strenght, libido and hardness, if lean enough to notice. Farely mild on sides and easy to recover from.

You could do a cutting cycle now with U11 + UH. And later on do a (lean) bulking cycle with I1 + A4.

Or if you bathe in TD's like @thebigt you can stack all of them and go for recomp or lean bulk or aggressive cut while maintaining lean mass.

The stacking options are pretty much endless, lol.
This is such a brilliant detailed reply, I honestly appreciate you going to such lengths to write and explain that, and it has made it alot clearer for me, and explained most of the tons of questions i had.

Just one small thing, with ultra hard and ultra 11 cause suppression, and will i need anything while on cycle, as im not on any TRT(any need for test base, will it supress libido, do i need organ protect?)
 
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This is such a brilliant detailed reply, I honestly appreciate you going to such lengths to write and explain that, and it has made it alot clearer for me, and explained most of the tons of questions i had.

Just one small thing, with ultra hard and ultra 11 cause suppression, and will i need anything while on cycle, as im not on any TRT(any need for test base, will it supress libido, do i need organ protect?)
i would just run ultra hard and ultra 11 and see how it goes...i would only add in something like dermacrine or alpha four if needed.

when you go over 2 transdermals it gets more complicated, i recommend keeping it simple until you have more experience with transdermals.
 
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No problem mate.

I'm with BigT here. And you already have the A4 on hand, so you're gtg there. Although both mildly suppressive, the UH will work as a T base of sorts itself. Or to be precise, as a DHT base, bringing part of the effects a T base is intented to bring; mood, energy, libido.

I like to take some cycle support stuff myself when running any PH's, no matter how mild in sides. CEL Cycle Assist is a good choice. OL K1ngs shield is another one.
 

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