What's your COVID-19 gameplan?

[Jiigzz]

Wasn’t it Jan 24 or 29 that WUhan Health Org said human to human transmission not possible? Patient zero was in November (or sooner???). So they are either incompetent at best or liars because they are in bed with China. Pick your poison. Either way pull the plug as they are criminal by any account. This is common sense here. WHO does other things sure. Does that justify this? Fahk no. Time to pay the piper.

Don’t worry, fearless leader Polis is going to try to keep this state shut down as long as possible, same as every other blue state. He’s already trying to make a pact with surrounding states the same way the Left coast did and how Cumho is as well.

Do you not hate countries/regimes that oppress/enslave their own people, blatantly kill their own people? This should be universal regardless of political opinion. They are evil. The end.

I can only imagine America right now if Hillary or Obama was in this episode. Martial law, race war, obliteration of rights, probably send a few pallets of cash to Chi-na.... and that would only be the surface. I suppose it would be exactly what they want in the end. Brain dead masses being spoon fed shite.

You have your facts wrong. This article predates what you're saying, and it says while there is no evidence of human to human transmission, that it is possible and that we should be prepared for it.

In saying that, China has actively lied to WHO in the past about the severity of other outbreaks (actively hiding infected patients and misreporting important information) so I wholeheartedly think should be held accountable. The WHO were also slow to react perhaps, but this is the first case of a highly infectious coronavirus strain. SARS didn't infect nearly as many people and so it is likely they assumed the same for covid-19.

Yes, maybe they dropped the ball on not advising travel restrictions earlier, but I haven't yet seen a source to where they've said human to human transmission wasn't possible, only that they hadn't got any confirmed cases that it was happening. Theres a big difference there.

WHO Does Not Rule Out Human to Human Spread of New Coronavirus

There is no evidence of human-to-human spread of the new coronavirus, but this possibility cannot be ruled out: WHO

www.google.com

Also a source from the WHO:

Pneumonia of unknown cause – China

www.who.int

They based their statements on what they were being told from Chinese Health Authorities.

Maybe they should have known better than to outwardly trust what they were being told, but at the same time if it's their country, they can do what they want.

Theres also a really interesting report done by the WHO response team to China. Its located in the February part of the timeline in the following link: https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/08-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

I'm also shocked to hear just how bad unemployment rates are getting in the US. That's crazy as well. A double whammy for sure.

 

[SkRaw85]

You have your facts wrong. This article predates what you're saying, and it says while there is no evidence of human to human transmission, that it is possible and that we should be prepared for it.

In saying that, China has actively lied to WHO in the past about the severity of other outbreaks (actively hiding infected patients and misreporting important information) so I wholeheartedly think should be held accountable. The WHO were also slow to react perhaps, but this is the first case of a highly infectious coronavirus strain. SARS didn't infect nearly as many people and so it is likely they assumed the same for covid-19.

Yes, maybe they dropped the ball on not advising travel restrictions earlier, but I haven't yet seen a source to where they've said human to human transmission wasn't possible, only that they hadn't got any confirmed cases that it was happening. Theres a big difference there.

WHO Does Not Rule Out Human to Human Spread of New Coronavirus

There is no evidence of human-to-human spread of the new coronavirus, but this possibility cannot be ruled out: WHO

www.google.com

Also a source from the WHO:

Pneumonia of unknown cause – China

www.who.int

They based their statements on what they were being told from Chinese Health Authorities.

Maybe they should have known better than to outwardly trust what they were being told, but at the same time if it's their country, they can do what they want.

Theres also a really interesting report done by the WHO response team to China. Its located in the February part of the timeline in the following link: https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/08-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

I'm also shocked to hear just how bad unemployment rates are getting in the US. That's crazy as well. A double whammy for sure.

January 14 they tweeted. So what is their purpose as an organization if they won’t investigate. They just answer phone calls and relay what is said as fact?
“China called, no human to human transmission, we good, send duh tweet”

The deceit of all this is sickening. I suppose by January the WUhan Health Organization just assumed the tens of thousands were infected from their morning bat soup? Cmon now. There is no valid explanation.

 

[Jiigzz]

January 14 they tweeted. So what is their purpose as an organization if they won’t investigate. They just answer phone calls and relay what is said as fact?
“China called, no human to human transmission, we good, send duh tweet”

The deceit of all this is sickening. I suppose by January the WUhan Health Organization just assumed the tens of thousands were infected from their morning bat soup? Cmon now. There is no valid explanation.

The WHO relies on its member states to monitor and report crises in a timely fashion.

What powers do they have in actually entering countries and investigating? Is that something they even do?

"There is a simple reason for this. For all the responsibility vested in the WHO, it has little power. Unlike international bodies such as the World Trade Organization, the WHO, which is a specialised body of the UN, has no ability to bind or sanction its members". So what exactly COULD it have done with China? You say they should have investigated. Under what law or what power gives them the ability to call out a world power like China? Genuine question.

 

[thebigt]

The WHO relies on its member states to monitor and report crises in a timely fashion.

What powers do they have in actually entering countries and investigating? Is that something they even do?

I don't know-you tell me, what do they do?

 

[Jiigzz]

I don't know-you tell me, what do they do?

This is what they do, according to them: https://www.who.int/about/role/en/

I cant find much on their actual powers when a new virus is detected, if they even have any.

 

[Jiigzz]

China had reported only 41 cases between the 2nd of Jan 2020 and the 12th of Jan 2020, not "tens of thousands". In fact, it was 41 cases reported on the 2nd of jan, and no further cases reported by the 12th of jan 2020.

But they were still closely monitoring China, despite there being 10 days where apparently noone else became infected. Hindsight tells us this was likely hidden due to discord between Wuhan officials and the national Government. Once it began going global, the cat was out of the bag and the reporting of cases starting increasing a bit more.

They were likely misleading the world, but if they are only reporting 41 to the WHO, and even provided contact tracing of almost 800 others who were directly exposed (with no further cases coming from those) then it doesnt really boggle my mind why they were "slow to react".

Novel Coronavirus – China

www.who.int

 

[SkRaw85]

China had reported only 41 cases between the 2nd of Jan 2020 and the 12th of Jan 2020, not "tens of thousands". In fact, it was 41 cases reported on the 2nd of jan, and no further cases reported by the 12th of jan 2020.

But they were still closely monitoring China, despite there being 10 days where apparently noone else became infected. Hindsight tells us this was likely hidden due to discord between Wuhan officials and the national Government. Once it began going global, the cat was out of the bag and the reporting of cases starting increasing a bit more.

They were likely misleading the world, but if they are only reporting 41 to the WHO, and even provided contact tracing of almost 800 others who were directly exposed (with no further cases coming from those) then it doesnt really boggle my mind why they were "slow to react".

Novel Coronavirus – China

www.who.int

Key word being “reported”. A 5 yr old could look at global numbers and call BS. Essentially (what a great word), WHO is a glorified secretary/parrot being paid a handsome salary. I’m in the wrong business. They are right there next to weathermen.

 

[thebigt]

Key word being “reported”. A 5 yr old could look at global numbers and call BS. Essentially (what a great word), WHO is a glorified secretary/parrot being paid a handsome salary. I’m in the wrong business. They are right there next to weathermen.

the close ties the head of WHO has with Chinese government really calls for some serious questions, imo.

 

[HIT4ME]

the close ties the head of WHO has with Chinese government really calls for some serious questions, imo.

What? And risk another attempt at an impeachment process? Come on.

 

[thebigt]

What? And risk another attempt at an impeachment process? Come on.

both sides should be onboard with this, to important to be playing politics!!!

 

[jarrellt67]

What? And risk another attempt at an impeachment process? Come on.

We both know there will be another attempt regardless. Heavin forbid Congress actually accomplish something or be useful...

 

[thebigt]

We both know there will be another attempt regardless. Heavin forbid Congress actually accomplish something or be useful...

in all fairness too much politics being played by both sides...they need to look out for what is best for the country, regardless of which side thinks it's scoring political points.

 

[jarrellt67]

in all fairness too much politics being played by both sides...they need to look out for what is best for the country, regardless of which side thinks it's scoring political points.

Completely agree.

 

[Godstrength]

Me?

U.S. Ready to Send Ventilators to Coronavirus-Hit Russia, Trump Says - The Moscow Times

The United States, the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic, could send Russia ventilators to help the country battle its record-setting rise in coronavirus cases, U.S.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Just google it.
Pick your favorite source.

They don't need our ventilators it would appear.

View attachment 193183

Russia COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Russia Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

See bro the death toll is .08%.

It all depends on who and how the info is being gathered

 

[thebigt]

Navarro says china hid virus from world, is hoarding ppe for profit.

 

[justhere4comm]

Navarro says china hid virus from world, is hoarding ppe for profit.

We sent them 18 tons of PPE to China. Well Trumple thin skin did.

 

[HIT4ME]

both sides should be onboard with this, to important to be playing politics!!!

Yeah, but you've seen how it goes when Trump tries to get an investigation into the corrupt goings-on of other countries. Apparently it's an impeachable offense because it may benefit him politically.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah, but you've seen how it goes when Trump tries to get an investigation into the corrupt goings-on of other countries. Apparently it's an impeachable offense because it may benefit him politically.

and it seems if trump is for something it is unfortunately automatic that democrats are against it..this nonsense needs to stop.

 

[thebigt]

We sent them 18 tons of PPE to China. Well Trumple thin skin did.

you really have an agenda don't you...did you even read the Navarro article?

I refer you to post #713

 

[muscleupcrohn]

See bro the death toll is .08%.

It all depends on who and how the info is being gathered

That’s 0.8% if you’re using Russia’s numbers, which I would NOT take at face value.

Do they not teach fractions and decimals in school anymore?

 

[Jiigzz]

Key word being “reported”. A 5 yr old could look at global numbers and call BS. Essentially (what a great word), WHO is a glorified secretary/parrot being paid a handsome salary. I’m in the wrong business. They are right there next to weathermen.

You realise that by the 14 of jan there was no global cases, right?

You're talking about knowledge you have now in hindsight. Everyone can look back now and say "oh they must have been misreporting numbers". But in the midst of it that's something else entirely

 

[thebigt]

That’s 0.8% if you’re using Russia’s numbers, which I would NOT take at face value.

Do they not teach fractions and decimals in school anymore?

at least Russia uses same numeric symbols as us, I guess that is why it's easier for Chinese to falsify numbers, lol.

 

[thebigt]

You realise that by the 14 of jan there was no global cases, right?

You're talking about knowledge you have now in hindsight. Everyone can look back now and say "oh they must have been misreporting numbers". Duh. But in the midst of it that's something else entirely

for the sake of fairness he might be referring to numbers that were coming from china-and WHO were reporting as factual?

what do you think of the stories being circulated that coronavirus did not start in the wet market?

look forward to your reply, i often learn from your posts!!!

 

[thebigt]

Dwayne 'the rock' Johnson says he is 'practicing making babies' with his wife while in quarantine....that is what I call a 'reproductive' use of time, lol.

 

[Jiigzz]

for the sake of fairness he might be referring to numbers that were coming from china-and WHO were reporting as factual?

what do you think of the stories being circulated that coronavirus did not start in the wet market?

look forward to your reply, i often learn from your posts!!!

Yeah, but so early into a novel virus and you kinda have to rely on the origin country being honest in their reporting. I mean, the WHO aren't ever going to have the capability to test thousands of people in another country, especially when a novel virus is just kicking off.

You are going to need to rely on people being admitted into local hospitals, tested and reported on. Could the WHO have done better, I'm sure they could have. People can always do better and hopefully they'll learn from it.

I haven't really looked into the stories on its origin so far if I'm honest.

 

[Jiigzz]

Finger pointing while we are still trying to fight a virus is a waste of energy and resources. Once it's over, then you can look into what went wrong and where and hopefully learn some things from it.

I just dont see the point trying to play the blame game in the middle of a pandemic

 

[thebigt]

Yeah, but so early into a novel virus and you kinda have to rely on the origin country being honest in their reporting. I mean, the WHO aren't ever going to have the capability to test thousands of people in another country, especially when a novel virus is just kicking off.

You are going to need to rely on people being admitted into local hospitals, tested and reported on. Could the WHO have done better, I'm sure they could have. People can always do better and hopefully they'll learn from it.

I haven't really looked into the stories on its origin so far if I'm honest.

isn't it standard operating procedure for WHO to have their people on the ground overseeing?

 

[thebigt]

Finger pointing while we are still trying to fight a virus is a waste of energy and resources. Once it's over, then you can look into what went wrong and where and hopefully learn some things from it.

I just dont see the point trying to play the blame game in the middle of a pandemic

i agree, but investigating to find facts that might be relevant to the ongoing pandemic is also appropriate!!!

 

[SkRaw85]

You realise that by the 14 of jan there was no global cases, right?

You're talking about knowledge you have now in hindsight. Everyone can look back now and say "oh they must have been misreporting numbers". But in the midst of it that's something else entirely

That is impossible. The floodgates were opened during new year and Chinese New Year. Weird timing eh. All those vacationers headed out globally from Wuhan and others. 2 week asymptomatic incubation while spreading.
For the record, I’ve been calling BS on it from day one.

 

[Jiigzz]

isn't it standard operating procedure for WHO to have their people on the ground overseeing?

This was answered by a research chair of global health, Kelley Lee:

So, WHO doesn’t have any resources to be the action on the ground. It’s always been very much an advisory body, recommending what a country should do. It doesn’t have the UNICEF [United Nations Children’s Fund] mode of operation where it can go in and vaccinate children, for example.
WHO has never done that, that’s not what its role is supposed to be, to get into countries and be boots on the ground. And people probably wanted that to happen. “Oh, why isn’t WHO sending in people into Wuhan?” That was never its role. Its role was to do intelligence-gathering, and then alert countries, and countries are the ones that act. So there’s that.


But essentially, if you look at the WHO’s constitution, it is a member-state organization. It doesn’t have independent authority to do what it likes. The World Health Assembly meets every year. And that is sort of the legislative body of WHO, and the secretariat carries out what is decided upon. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t have any powers, the secretariat and the director-general, but it really has to go through all the member states.

To say, ‘WHO should do this, WHO should do that.’ Well, WHO is the member states,” Lee said. “So if you want WHO to do something, then the member states have to get together and say: ‘Do this.’”

 

[thebigt]

This was answered by a research chair of global health, Kelley Lee:

So, WHO doesn’t have any resources to be the action on the ground. It’s always been very much an advisory body, recommending what a country should do. It doesn’t have the UNICEF [United Nations Children’s Fund] mode of operation where it can go in and vaccinate children, for example.
WHO has never done that, that’s not what its role is supposed to be, to get into countries and be boots on the ground. And people probably wanted that to happen. “Oh, why isn’t WHO sending in people into Wuhan?” That was never its role. Its role was to do intelligence-gathering, and then alert countries, and countries are the ones that act. So there’s that.


But essentially, if you look at the WHO’s constitution, it is a member-state organization. It doesn’t have independent authority to do what it likes. The World Health Assembly meets every year. And that is sort of the legislative body of WHO, and the secretariat carries out what is decided upon. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t have any powers, the secretariat and the director-general, but it really has to go through all the member states.

To say, ‘WHO should do this, WHO should do that.’ Well, WHO is the member states,” Lee said. “So if you want WHO to do something, then the member states have to get together and say: ‘Do this.’”

that tells me what WHO doesn't do....still not clear on what it does do?

the united states gives $400-500million each year to WHO...CHINA gives around $40 million.

 

[Jiigzz]

that tells me what WHO doesn't do....still not clear on what it does do?

the united states gives $400-500million each year to WHO...CHINA gives around $40 million.

It does lots of other things not related to pandemics. It has its fingers in almost every facet of health globally.

But again, people keep asking why they relied heavily on China for info and why they didn't go for themselves.

As WHO put it: Dr. David Nabarro, a WHO special envoy, told NBC's "Meet the Press" last weekend that "we really do have to work with the information we get."
"We don't have, in the World Health Organization, the power to go and inspect beyond what countries tell us," Nabarro said.

We have to be realistic with our expectations. Is it right to expect an agency to do a job they don't even have, or have the power to do? Imagine if the virus originated in the US and WHO just came in and started stepping on the toes of US officials. Do you think that would go down well?

 

[Jiigzz]

That is impossible. The floodgates were opened during new year and Chinese New Year. Weird timing eh. All those vacationers headed out globally from Wuhan and others. 2 week asymptomatic incubation while spreading.
For the record, I’ve been calling BS on it from day one.

WHO dont close borders. If the US wanted to, they could have shut done the borders earlier to people from China. It is ultimately their responsibility.

The incubation periods, mode of infection etc weren't established early on. Noone knew at the beginning how infectious this novel virus could be. Scores of researchers have been evaluating it in labs since they could and monitoring it closely. We've never had a coronavirus this infectious, so I'm not entirely sure how you knew from day 1, given there was no precedent.

SARS and MERS were contained quickly and their rate of infection was nowhere near as high.

 

[justhere4comm]

Florida now has twice as many coronavirus cases (20,601) as South Korea (10,537). About 30 million more people live in South Korea than in Florida, and that’s not even accounting for the unknown number of Covid-19 cases that have gone uncounted in Florida because there’s been substantially less testing.

 

[Ricky10]

that tells me what WHO doesn't do....still not clear on what it does do?

the united states gives $400-500million each year to WHO...CHINA gives around $40 million.

We are (or were) the biggest contributors, which is no surprise. The USA always seems to play the role of protecting and supporting the world on multiple levels, yet it’s under appreciated in most cases and we have just continued to get taken advantage of. We are the enablers of countries around the world, and this role must stop.

The WHO doesn’t seem to get high marks in how they distribute the use of their (our) money either. Wasteful luxury travel expenses being at the forefront. Aside from that, the response (or lack thereof) to COVID-19 isn’t the only public health threat that has been viewed as less than impressive as of late. Their response to swine flu and Ebola were also not highly praised- yet for different reasons.

It seems they are most renowned for their efforts in regard to malaria, polio, smallpox, TB, HIV/AIDS- so we have to give some credit there. Was it done cost effectively? Probably not.

There definitely seems to be a place for a WHO, but it certainly seems to need restructuring and monitoring. I personally get the sense it also needs more insightful members who are in it for the right reasons as opposed to a being awarded a chance to go on a luxury business trip. If Trump does decide to fund the WHO again, it shouldn’t be for any more money than any other nation pays in, unless we are getting something back that other countries are not.

WHO has a travel problem

The WHO spends more on travel than it does on AIDS or malaria. Is that OK?

www.nbcnews.com

 

[justhere4comm]

How many military bases do we have around the world protecting our assets?
Our military industrial complex doesn't exactly account for its expenditures... Look at The Pentagon's misgivings to start.

I'm not on top of the WHO, and sure they can fix their issues, but this pandemic isn't their fault, and it's effects here.
You want to talk about spending problems and travel? Have a look at our very one Secretary of the Treasury.

Then we have 110 million on golf? Trump. Etc. All the Emoluments issues.

It's difficult to look at one side of the argument: "Let's worry about ourselves and not the world", then have an argument made about a world organization responsible for other things than pandemics. What we pay in can be looked at for sure.

 

[Jiigzz]

We are (or were) the biggest contributors, which is no surprise. The USA always seems to play the role of protecting and supporting the world on multiple levels, yet it’s under appreciated in most cases and we have just continued to get taken advantage of. We are the enablers of countries around the world, and this role must stop.

The WHO doesn’t seem to get high marks in how they distribute the use of their (our) money either. Wasteful luxury travel expenses being at the forefront. Aside from that, the response (or lack thereof) to COVID-19 isn’t the only public health threat that has been viewed as less than impressive as of late. Their response to swine flu and Ebola were also not highly praised- yet for different reasons.

It seems they are most renowned for their efforts in regard to malaria, polio, smallpox, TB, HIV/AIDS- so we have to give some credit there. Was it done cost effectively? Probably not.

There definitely seems to be a place for a WHO, but it certainly seems to need restructuring and monitoring. I personally get the sense it also needs more insightful members who are in it for the right reasons as opposed to a being awarded a chance to go on a luxury business trip. If Trump does decide to fund the WHO again, it shouldn’t be for any more money than any other nation pays in, unless we are getting something back that other countries are not.

WHO has a travel problem

The WHO spends more on travel than it does on AIDS or malaria. Is that OK?

www.nbcnews.com

But again the question must be asked: what exactly did you expect WHO to do, and, more importantly, is what you expected them to do something they actually do?

The WHO are not infallible, but it seems people are quick to criticize them when they dont even seem to understand the role they play. That's like criticizing the coach for not scoring a goal during a game of soccer

 

[muscleupcrohn]

The US gave most of its money in the form of donations, not its membership fees (still substantial) unless I'm mistaken, a donation is something given with no expectation of returned benefit.

You're always going to pay for in membership fees due to your population size and wealth.

Also during the cold war, Russia and its allies left the WHO due to the US's influence, now you're blaming China for doing the same. It seems like its OK when it's in the US's favour, but not OK if the same thing happens in reverse lol

To be fair, just because it was primarily “donations with no expectation of returned benefit,” doesn’t mean it was wise decision, or should be continued. It’s one thing to pay a higher membership based on population size, but it sounds like even you’re conceding that the US paid more than their “fair share,” even if it was from “donations” and not the membership fees, which makes the point of population size impacting membership fees not terribly relevant, since that’s not what we were paying “too much” for.

 

[Jiigzz]

To be fair, just because it was primarily “donations with no expectation of returned benefit,” doesn’t mean it was wise decision, or should be continued. It’s one thing to pay a higher membership based on population size, but it sounds like even you’re conceding that the US paid more than their “fair share,” even if it was from “donations” and not the membership fees, which makes the point of population size impacting membership fees not terribly relevant, since that’s not what we were paying “too much” for.

If the US chooses to pay more through donations, they guide generally guide where those funds are directed. They are earmarked funds for certain programmes that the contributing countries want the WHO to focus on.

So you pay more depending on what you want in guess. Seems more like a "donation" than an actual donation.

From an outside perspective, the US has royally stuffed up their own response. But hey, if it makes you guys feel better blaming someone else, go ahead lol

 

[muscleupcrohn]

If the US chooses to pay more through donations, they guide generally guide where those funds are directed. They are earmarked funds for certain programmes that the contributing countries want the WHO to focus on.

So you pay more depending on what you want in guess. Seems more like a "donation" than an actual donation.

From an outside perspective, the US has royally stuffed up their own response. But hey, if it makes you guys feel better blaming someone else, go ahead lol

I’m not “blaming” anyone... I haven’t even said who, if anyone, I think is handling this virus well or terribly...

I never said the US hasn’t made mistakes in handling the virus. The US may well have made plenty of mistakes and still not think that giving a ton of money to the WHO is a good idea. They could have messed up too, and in different ways than the US, etc.

 

[Jiigzz]

I’m not “blaming” anyone... I haven’t even said who, if anyone, I think is handling this virus well or terribly...

I never said the US hasn’t made mistakes in handling the virus. The US may well have made plenty of mistakes and still not think that giving a ton of money to the WHO is a good idea. They could have messed up too, and in different ways than the US, etc.

Fair points, i respect that. In all fairness, I believe the people who deal directly with the WHO in the US (the medical sector) would be the best guides as to if the WHO is worth its weight.

The US can do whatever it feels is in its best interest.

 

[thebigt]

Fair points, i respect that. In all fairness, I believe the people who deal directly with the WHO in the US (the medical sector) would be the best guides as to if the WHO is worth its weight.

The US can do whatever it feels is in its best interest.

unfortunately politicians [on both sides] don't always seem to act in best interests of the US!

 

[thebigt]

Fair points, i respect that. In all fairness, I believe the people who deal directly with the WHO in the US (the medical sector) would be the best guides as to if the WHO is worth its weight.

The US can do whatever it feels is in its best interest.

I know you are not a fan of trump...but I don't think you blame the entire US for things trump does that you may not agree with.

I think the same can be said about WHO, a lot of the criticism is aimed at leadership and not the organization as a whole-at least that is my point of view.

 

[thebigt]

british scientists are working with charity group to see if dogs can be trained to sniff out coronavirus...


this isn't as crazy as it might sound, dogs have been trained to detect numerous diseases.

 

[Jiigzz]

I know you are not a fan of trump...but I don't think you blame the entire US for things trump does that you may not agree with.

I think the same can be said about WHO, a lot of the criticism is aimed at leadership and not the organization as a whole-at least that is my point of view.

Good point BigT.

I think everyone will need to look back and see how they can do better in case something like this should ever happen again.

 

[thebigt]

Good point BigT.

I think everyone will need to look back and see how they can do better in case something like this should ever happen again.

yes, I think this caught us by surprise. it's always easy to say what you would do better, when you are not the one responsible for decision making.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

british scientists are working with charity group to see if dogs can be trained to sniff out coronavirus...


this isn't as crazy as it might sound, dogs have been trained to detect numerous diseases.

I read some story about a lady who could supposedly smell if people had a disease from smelling their clothing. She identified all the positives they gave her, and one more that they said was negative, but later turned out to also have the disease. I’ll have to verify that it’s true, but I read about it a while ago and you reminded me of it.

Edit: it was Parkinson’s:

Her Incredible Sense Of Smell Is Helping Scientists Find New Ways To Diagnose Disease

Years before he got diagnosed with Parkinson's, Joy Milne noticed her husband's characteristic scent had changed. The discovery that she could smell his illness has opened up a new field of research.

www.npr.org

Smelling Parkinson’s Disease: New Metabolomic Biomarker for PD

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[thebigt]

I read some story about a lady who could supposedly smell if people had a disease from smelling their clothing. She identified all the positives they gave her, and one more that they said was negative, but later turned out to also have the disease. I’ll have to verify that it’s true, but I read about it a while ago and you reminded me of it.

Edit: it was Parkinson’s:

Her Incredible Sense Of Smell Is Helping Scientists Find New Ways To Diagnose Disease

Years before he got diagnosed with Parkinson's, Joy Milne noticed her husband's characteristic scent had changed. The discovery that she could smell his illness has opened up a new field of research.

www.npr.org

Smelling Parkinson’s Disease: New Metabolomic Biomarker for PD

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

amazing, huh?

 

[justhere4comm]

Jeez.

GYMS | SALONS | THEATERS

Georgia to reopen some businesses, including gyms and salons

Some Georgia businesses, including gyms, hair and nail salons, and bowling alleys, will be allowed to open Friday as the state moves toward reopening its economy. Gov. Brian Kemp (R) said Mon…

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"Theaters, private social clubs and restaurants will be allowed to reopen April 27 and will be required to follow the same rules. Bars and nightclubs will remain closed. The state's shelter-in-place order expires April 30, though older individuals and people with underlying health conditions that put them at risk for serious COVID-19 illness are encouraged to stay home until May 13."

This doesn't cover enough people.
They are going to run out of coffins.

 

[Ricky10]

Good point BigT.

I think everyone will need to look back and see how they can do better in case something like this should ever happen again.

Well the initial response to this was a mess, but the Chinese are certainly complicit in those stages. Every stage of containment attempts after that was always 2 steps behind where things should have been. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I knew this was going to be a global problem during the first week we heard about what was happening in Wuhan. Call it a gut feeling, but I think most people were like WTF....this isn’t normal. On top of that, it was a given that we couldn’t trust the Chinese with any aspect of this. Apparently experts see things through a different lense.

This could have remained an epidemic rather than a pandemic if ALL countries had simply heired on the side of caution and closed their borders to China very early. It doesn’t do any good for some countries to close their borders while others stay open in these situations. It would be quite difficult for this to be handled much worse when we face the next threat of a pandemic.

Jeez.

GYMS | SALONS | THEATERS

Georgia to reopen some businesses, including gyms and salons

Some Georgia businesses, including gyms, hair and nail salons, and bowling alleys, will be allowed to open Friday as the state moves toward reopening its economy. Gov. Brian Kemp (R) said Mon…

thehill.com

"Theaters, private social clubs and restaurants will be allowed to reopen April 27 and will be required to follow the same rules. Bars and nightclubs will remain closed. The state's shelter-in-place order expires April 30, though older individuals and people with underlying health conditions that put them at risk for serious COVID-19 illness are encouraged to stay home until May 13."

This doesn't cover enough people.
They are going to run out of coffins.

So between March 2nd (first reported cases in Georgia) to today April 20th, Georgia has reported 726 COVID-19 deaths. Well, I hope they are prepared for a notable surge in hospitalizations and subsequent rise in their death toll.

Meanwhile, the chief of WHO announced today that the worst of the pandemic is yet to come.