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UFC 105 Lesner vs. Carwin

Yeah Like Ken Shamrock here in the USA Pitfighting underground,Still goes on with the Luta Libre movement in Brazil Strait up no gloves and only eye gouging groing strikes and fish hooking are prohibited everything else 'Knuckle Up"
 
Yeah Like Ken Shamrock here in the USA Pitfighting underground,Still goes on with the Luta Libre movement in Brazil Strait up no gloves and only eye gouging groing strikes and fish hooking are prohibited everything else 'Knuckle Up"

yea its called "Rio Heroes" pretty intense fights man, they call it "vale tudo" same as they call mma. "vale tudo" however means "no rules"
 
yea its called "Rio Heroes" pretty intense fights man, they call it "vale tudo" same as they call mma. "vale tudo" however means "no rules"


Correct Vale Tudo= No Rules Lute Livre(spelling?)=Fight Free

Two different movements they the followers of each one respectivly have been known to brawl in the street against one another :buttkick:
 
Correct Vale Tudo= No Rules Lute Livre(spelling?)=Fight Free

Two different movements they the followers of each one respectivly have been known to brawl in the street against one another :buttkick:

yea i didnt know the correct translation, my bjj teacher is brazilian and he sometimes refers to mma as vale tudo. Rio Heroes is bloody as $hit tho, i need to watch some later.
 
Case in point would be Mr. Ichii try looking him up.Fact is Yakuza ran both.

He founded K-! and PRIDE and thats not his real name. A man not to be messed withand the PRIDE K-1 front man for the P Gumi family. They took advantage of a lot of fighters

****ing forget it. You're dancing around the issue of which company actually owned Pride and which one currently owns K-1/Dream.
 
everyone on this site should watch "the smashing machine" to understand this sport better. its available on youtube if anyone is interested.

Is that the movie where at the end the girlfriend ends up pulling a mind fck on the guy and he ends up losing?
 
Is that the movie where at the end the girlfriend ends up pulling a mind fck on the guy and he ends up losing?

no i dont remember any girlfriends in this one. its about mark kerr training, fighting, shooting up painkillers, then eventually losing while coleman wins the GP tournament. the saddest part is Kerr all junkied out asking the doc for stronger opiates after the fight lol
 
Granted. Doesn't change the fact that the game has changed seven or eight times since and he doesn't belong in the octagon anymore though.

lol u dont think Coleman's quick headbutts on the ground were a game changer??
 
Smashing Machine has about 30min filled with domestic phsycosis provided by Marks drug addiction and his "fitness Model" girlfriend.Mark winds up over dosing and being interventioned on by his college wrestling teamates. good stuff
 
Right and then the girlfriend pulls him back into his old ways of boozin and his friends are like dump the who#e. I'm 70% sure I've seen this.
 
sounds stupid.

no man its amazing, really shows you the backstage of fights and the all the emotions associated with it. its an incredible documentary, especially since you wanna know more about Pride..the open weight Grand Prix is what takes place in the movie
 
you guys should read the new interview with Lesnar on yahoo. after reading this i really cant stand the guy. he dismisses everyone and everything else as being not as good as him. then he calls out Carwin saying that Shane isnt as committed because he has a job, well sorry Brock not everyone gets paid $3 million for their 4th fight you dumb roid monkey. then he says he doesnt wanna show respect after the fight, which i think is complete bull$hit. this is a sport and not a fight to the death, after its over you gotta be a man and show the other guy respect..win or lose

o man I hope Shane beats his face in, UFC doesnt need a d*ckhead champion. Carwin respects his opponents and respects the fans who pay his bills.
 
That's what he wants. The more hated he is, the bigger of a draw he is and I can guarantee that he has a PPV% in his contract.
 
sad world we live in, where men are rewarded large stacks of green colored paper for displaying huge amounts of douchebaggary
 
All hating on the big douchebag aside, I think that Brock is going to mess Carwin up. Every fight Brock has had you've seen him come along in leaps and bounds. To keep Mir flat on his back with his hips pinned and pummel him to hell was no mean feat and he hasn't exactly been a slouch in relation to striking on the feet either. He flattened Herring and he flattened Randy - Nog hit Randy plenty hard and didn't manage to put him away.

I think Brock is worth a bet because all the guys who hate him will be punting on Carwin, same as it was when he fought Randy (Which I won a bundle on :D).
 
Yeah I dont really like Lesnar that much but he does that sh1t on purpose for ratings and to get people to talk about him and to want to see him fight. I really would not bet against Brock in this fight, sure Carwin is a big guy too and a former wrestler like him but Brock is bigger and his wrestling probably has a slight edge over Carwins, and especially for being as large as he is his cardio is amazing he seemed like he could have gone 3 more rounds at the end of the H Herring fight. I wanna see him get KTFO but I just dont think Carwin is gonna do it.
 
All hating on the big douchebag aside, I think that Brock is going to mess Carwin up. Every fight Brock has had you've seen him come along in leaps and bounds. To keep Mir flat on his back with his hips pinned and pummel him to hell was no mean feat and he hasn't exactly been a slouch in relation to striking on the feet either. He flattened Herring and he flattened Randy - Nog hit Randy plenty hard and didn't manage to put him away.

I think Brock is worth a bet because all the guys who hate him will be punting on Carwin, same as it was when he fought Randy (Which I won a bundle on :D).

no he just came in the cage at 285 which is 40 pounds more than Mir. Then he used his wrestling and extra 40 pounds of juice muscle to keep Mir down. Finally he gets to fight a somewhat similar - sized man, now we can see if he can handle a bomb to the face.
 
Funny how everyone still brings up his size as though it is the only reason he wins...

fine its not the only reason..i forgot about masturbation rabbit punches

no, seriously Rodja, if you went to fight a man in your weight class (180 something im guessing) and the guy is 40 lbs heavier than you, dont you think that he would have an easier time holding you down given his wrestling background? Thats all Im saying, that I want to see him fight someone his own size so there is no longer an advantage.
 
fine its not the only reason..i forgot about masturbation rabbit punches

no, seriously Rodja, if you went to fight a man in your weight class (180 something im guessing) and the guy is 40 lbs heavier than you, dont you think that he would have an easier time holding you down given his wrestling background? Thats all Im saying, that I want to see him fight someone his own size so there is no longer an advantage.

It's all relative. I fought a guy that weighed over 193 come fight time while I was barely above 180. I could bitch and moan, but he made weight and that's all that matters. Fact is that he has tremendous athletic gifts. You can't fault him for using them to his advantage.
 
I personally cant stand the weight cut game. I constantly see it at any grappling tournament, even if there isnt even a prize. I can understand being a pro mma fighter and making a living, then you would look for any advantage. In my case however, all I wanna do is compete in a tournament and I dont wanna come at my natural weight because then Ill be dealing with people with 20 pounds on me. So as a result, everyone is eating crackers for dinner, spitting in a cup, and taking water pills. Say what you want, but starving yourself and dropping water isnt a healthy thing to do and will deprive you of energy that you need in a fight..Ive seen this happen many times. These kids are cutting 20 pounds to do a local grappling tournament, it is retarded. Next one Im doing I wont even shed a pound, gonna come in exactly the way I woke up that morning. The system is retarded. In MMA, make people weigh in the morning of the fight instead of the night before, then you wont have anyone passing out/cramping/going to hospital.
 
I personally cant stand the weight cut game. I constantly see it at any grappling tournament, even if there isnt even a prize. I can understand being a pro mma fighter and making a living, then you would look for any advantage. In my case however, all I wanna do is compete in a tournament and I dont wanna come at my natural weight because then Ill be dealing with people with 20 pounds on me. So as a result, everyone is eating crackers for dinner, spitting in a cup, and taking water pills. Say what you want, but starving yourself and dropping water isnt a healthy thing to do and will deprive you of energy that you need in a fight..Ive seen this happen many times. These kids are cutting 20 pounds to do a local grappling tournament, it is retarded. Next one Im doing I wont even shed a pound, gonna come in exactly the way I woke up that morning. The system is retarded. In MMA, make people weigh in the morning of the fight instead of the night before, then you wont have anyone passing out/cramping/going to hospital.

You're making a completely different argument here. It's allowed; get over it.
 
It's all relative. I fought a guy that weighed over 193 come fight time while I was barely above 180. I could bitch and moan, but he made weight and that's all that matters. Fact is that he has tremendous athletic gifts. You can't fault him for using them to his advantage.

Now 13lbs or 20lbs not really but more absolutly. Its exactly why the is such a thing as weight classes to begin with its allready an established fact that it makes a difference. In those joke "PRO" fights where a clash of the local douchbag wannabes take place a descrepancy like that wouldnt make a difference because of the lack of caliber of the fighter. But in real PRO fights where one competes against people youve actually heard of in events that are selective it absolutly does. Common sense : 270lbs perfect technique and speed of a middleweight= A*S kicking against 210lbs perfect technique speed of a middle weight.

As far as Brock so far he has established that he has NO knock out power No submission capabilities and No intelligence. By the way in case you forgot its still Brock 1 Frank 1

And a new super heavy class has been discussed for over a year with NSAC signaling no problem with sactioning if they have fighters to sanction henc Brock and TUF this season
 
Now 13lbs or 20lbs not really but more absolutly. Its exactly why the is such a thing as weight classes to begin with its allredy an established fact that it makes a difference. In those joke "PRO" fights where a clash of the douchbag wannabes take place a descrepancy like that wouldnt make a difference because of the lack of caliber of the fighter. But in real PRO fights where one competes against people youve actually heard of in events that are selective it absolutly does. Common sense : 270lbs perfect technique and speed of a middleweight= A*S kicking against 210lbs perfect technique speed of a middle weight.

exactly. (see Couture vs. Lesnar)

:burger:
 
It's all relative. I fought a guy that weighed over 193 come fight time while I was barely above 180. I could bitch and moan, but he made weight and that's all that matters. Fact is that he has tremendous athletic gifts. You can't fault him for using them to his advantage.

So your opponent was 13lbs past cut weight how did that fight even happen?
 
So your opponent was 13lbs past cut weight how did that fight even happen?

He weighed in at 171 and I weighed in at 169. Weight cutting is a skill. You two are putting far too much stock in the mass of an individual. Brock made a green mistake against Mir and he admits it. For a first real fight, he fought a can in K-1, Mir is a tough opponent. Lesnar is doing pretty much the same thing that Hughes did and I don't hear either of you bitching about his tactics. Like I said, it's allowed and it's a skill. Stop whining.
 
He weighed in at 171 and I weighed in at 169. Weight cutting is a skill. You two are putting far too much stock in the mass of an individual. Brock made a green mistake against Mir and he admits it. For a first real fight, he fought a can in K-1, Mir is a tough opponent. Lesnar is doing pretty much the same thing that Hughes did and I don't hear either of you bitching about his tactics. Like I said, it's allowed and it's a skill. Stop whining.

Im sure we are because,it doesnt effect your ground game at all when a guy has 20-70lbs on you its probably just us OH and Rampage (when he was talking about Kimbo and Big Country). I wasnt aware that there were any"cans" in K-1 but now I do.

The weigh in for your fight pretty standard,not like close to 80lbs Randy Brock
 
I personally cant stand the weight cut game. I constantly see it at any grappling tournament, even if there isnt even a prize. I can understand being a pro mma fighter and making a living, then you would look for any advantage. In my case however, all I wanna do is compete in a tournament and I dont wanna come at my natural weight because then Ill be dealing with people with 20 pounds on me. So as a result, everyone is eating crackers for dinner, spitting in a cup, and taking water pills. Say what you want, but starving yourself and dropping water isnt a healthy thing to do and will deprive you of energy that you need in a fight..Ive seen this happen many times. These kids are cutting 20 pounds to do a local grappling tournament, it is retarded. Next one Im doing I wont even shed a pound, gonna come in exactly the way I woke up that morning. The system is retarded. In MMA, make people weigh in the morning of the fight instead of the night before, then you wont have anyone passing out/cramping/going to hospital.

You sound bitter because you do not possess the athletic gifts necessary to cut weight and maintain stamina and strength. Excessive weight cuts (: 20lbs or more) may potentially be detrimental to one's health, but this is a difficult thing to substantiate.

Now 13lbs or 20lbs not really but more absolutly. Its exactly why the is such a thing as weight classes to begin with its allready an established fact that it makes a difference. In those joke "PRO" fights where a clash of the local douchbag wannabes take place a descrepancy like that wouldnt make a difference because of the lack of caliber of the fighter. But in real PRO fights where one competes against people youve actually heard of in events that are selective it absolutly does. Common sense : 270lbs perfect technique and speed of a middleweight= A*S kicking against 210lbs perfect technique speed of a middle weight.

Your point fails to recognize something very particular to the argument: namely, that everybody (see: everybody) has the ability to do so - i.e.,) it is complete fair and equitable from the standpoint of accessibility. That one individual may be able to implement this advantage to a greater degree than others is, quite literally, the inequality that lies at the very base of athletics itself: no matter how many rules are implemented, some individuals may do things others cannot. Get over it.

Attempting to normalize an entire league/sanctioned body because one individual possesses an ability another does not is by far the most ridiculous thing I have heard in some time. You know, Peyton Manning is a far more astute QB than most, and has the ability to read the defense prior to the snap: by your logic, we should require him to wear a blinder on one eye, so the "playing field is level".

As far as Brock so far he has established that he has NO knock out power No submission capabilities and No intelligence. By the way in case you forgot its still Brock 1 Frank 1

Considering Mir was his second pro fight and he succeeded in brutally avenging that loss, I am not so sure that is a point you wish to make. And whether or not he has submission skills is entirely secondary to the fact he utilizes the skills he does have to a fantastic degree - particularly in nullifying Mir's submission skills, which I am sure you fetish.

And a new super heavy class has been discussed for over a year with NSAC signaling no problem with sactioning if they have fighters to sanction henc Brock and TUF this season

I am not entirely sure what you are trying to say here, but: a super HW class is not going to happen. It in-itself implies "freak-show" and a lack of legitimacy which I can assure you the UFC is never going to implement. The fact is, you have absolutely no issue with Brock's physical gifts - you have an issue with his personality; and so, you are projecting your dislike for his personality onto his physicality, and calling it foul.

Rest assured, the word would be mum should your favorite fighter hold such a prominent legal weight advantage. Where were you when Thiago Alves was pushing 200lbs in his fight against Kos., who comes in most likely 20lbs lighter? Or what about Gleison Tibau? He has admitted in interviews that he is 25lbs - yes, 25lbs - heavier than his opponents on fight night.

The hypocrisy here is apparent.
 
Im sure we are because,it doesnt effect your ground game at all when a guy has 20-70lbs on you its probably just us OH and Rampage (when he was talking about Kimbo and Big Country). I wasnt aware that there were any"cans" in K-1 but now I do.

The weigh in for your fight pretty standard,not like close to 80lbs Randy Brock

Yes, when I ask for BJJ knowledge and advice, I turn to Rampage. It's retarded to say that the only reason Nelson was able to keep Kimbo down was his weight, not his years of wrestling and BJJ.

You seem to be unaware of a lot.
 
Ya to complain about people cutting weight is stupid. "WAAAA he is using a skill he picked up while wrestling that isnt fair. He should be lazy and not cut weight. That way it will be fair." That is just plain dumb. What is next restrictions on how many hours a fighter can train?
 
Nice try sport! "it was only Brocks second pro fight" then maybe he shouldnt have been the interum champ

Brocks personatity what personality?

Your not sure what Im trying to say (then dont interjet) the 60lbs spread in the HW class is by far the largest in any weight class really all the classes combined. I dont care if someone cuts I cut. But if ,by your logic, weight means nothing its all skill then why have a weight class in anything? Hea dosent really track does it? and hypocricy you would have to point out exactly were I was cant see it myself. As far as using weight cut or the ability to do so to your advantage love it. Like when guys like Randy and Hendo roll in and fight guy in another weight class. And Brocks skill? What friggin skill laying on a guy and hammer fisting doesnt require a lot of skill.

It was never said that overall mass/weight has no impact on the outcome, but you make it seem as though Brock is a just a big dude with no skill that somehow became an MMA champ. As everyone knows, becoming a NCAA Div I Champ takes no skill at all. Also, Brock was never interim champ-Nog was and then it was Mir. You really need to work on getting your facts in order.
 
You sound bitter because you do not possess the athletic gifts necessary to cut weight and maintain stamina and strength. Excessive weight cuts (: 20lbs or more) may potentially be detrimental to one's health, but this is a difficult thing to substantiate.
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Oh yea thats it!!! I am not athletically gifted to understand the sacred ancient way of cutting weight before an athletic contest! Or maybe it is the guy whos cutting the weight, who is not confident in his athletic ability and therefore needs to come in heavier than his opponent in hopes to use the weight to his advantage? I am a believer of applying the skills you learned prior to the fight, rather than using the oh so fundamental technique of starving and depriving yourself of liquids, running in trashbags, sitting in a sauna for hours already dehydrated. The whole concept is stupid. If no one is allowed to do it then there would be no purpose to this pointless strategy. Stop being a pu$$y and fight at your own weight. This isnt whining, this is one man's opinion about how the sport should be ran. If you dont wanna read what Im saying then turn the computer off.

At what point does weight cutting stop being a part of the sport and becomes a hazard? When you were in high school you didnt see wrestlers passed out in the cafe/nurses office because they havent eaten all day?
 
The key word there is (SEEM)s by the way Ill be busting Quints balls about no ground game now,he was a pretty good wrestley you know.

But fair for me doest enter in to it. Cut, cutting has always and will always have a place in bracketed or weight sensitive sport i.e. Jockeys

But the discrepancy in weight does play a role I think weve already agreed on that. Either having it or not having it as it may be. Brocks,minimal mind you,success thus far has been soly predicated on he size that is to say the hold down and strike IS his skill. From my observation.

As far as my knowlege, Im not all knowing of the sport I can only speak from first hand experience. I get irritated when people snipe others posts,I operate under the dont type it if you wouldnt say it if we were eye to eye rule

Do I feel the need to establish my bona fides .....no those who need to know know attempting to impune someone electronically is well childish.

You just can't give him any credit, can you? His success, which is something very few people will ever achieve, is based upon his wrestling. Since when is it a horrible thing if someone can achieve the TD and implement successful GnP? He's a a superior wrestler; establishing and maintaining dominant position on the ground is a huge part of MMA and requires loads of skill. Guess what wrestlers do in MMA...they look for a TD and a GnP finish. This is not a new thing; Coleman started it back in the mid-90's.
 
Seriously, Lesnar is doing what guys like Coleman and Kerr did for years. He is having tremendous success, much more than I ever would have thought, based on his wrestling.

Is he huge? Of course, but the man is skilled. Look at the Mir II fight. Mir is a tremendous BJJ fighter with great skill from a variety of situations on the ground. LEsnar neutralized him entirely, and turned his face into raw meat
 
He fought and won geuss thats all the Cedit anyone needs,said nothing to the contrary but winning two fights and losing one then winning one more does not a champion usually make. Seems contrived to me.

I was wondering how long it took you to cut that much weight for your fight
Never said anything about wrestling or Gnp not being an aspect of the game

List Brocks "SKILLs" 1.falling takedown
2.Hammerfist

The only point I was ever trying to make is that will only work for so long he is not a terriblly talented fighter I mean based on what his record? Weight discepancy is one explination to him having any kind of success.
If you ve seen evidence of other skills please list them would like to see them I cant find any
Kerr and Coleman? Thats reaching back. Wrestling is just JJ without the finish Kidding easy

His wrestling record from high school through becoming the NCAA Division I National HW Champion was something like 155 and 4. I realize this does not "automatically" transfer to MMA success because competitive wrestling doesn't contain punches & kicks, however, his competitive wrestling record does not support your opinion that he's talentless.

#1. Brock earned a 33-0 record in wrestling in his senior year of high school.

#2. Brock won the wrestling Heavyweight bracket in the North Dakota State University's annual Bison Open Tournament.

#3. In 1998, Brock won his 2nd straight Bison Open title, and became the Heavyweight bracket champion in the National Junior College Athletic Association (NJCAA). **In just 2 years at BJC, Brock had accumulated a 56-3 record.**

#4. Minnesota wrestling coach J Robinson watched Brock in awe at the Finals of the NJCAA and signed him to University Minnesota.

#5. Brock went 24-1 in his first year at Minnesota University, with his only loss coming from Iowa State's Trent Hynek (who was also a pimp and made it the NCAA 2000 semi-finals, losing to Wes Hand, who would then lose to Brock in the championship round).

#6 Year 2000: Brock earned a 26-1 record (with his only season defeat at the hands of a close 5-3 decision from Iowa's Wes Hand; Wes Hand is a wrestling legend in his own right and is Iowa U’s current wrestling coach).

#7. NCAA 2000, Division I Heavyweight Wrestling Championships, Brock raped his competition and avenges his loss to Wes Hand, and not just by points, but a definitive pin, which is the gauntlet of judgment in College Wresting.
 
He fought and won geuss thats all the Cedit anyone needs,said nothing to the contrary but winning two fights and losing one then winning one more does not a champion usually make. Seems contrived to me.

I was wondering how long it took you to cut that much weight for your fight
Never said anything about wrestling or Gnp not being an aspect of the game

List Brocks "SKILLs" 1.falling takedown
2.Hammerfist

The only point I was ever trying to make is that will only work for so long he is not a terriblly talented fighter I mean based on what his record? Weight discepancy is one explination to him having any kind of success.
If you ve seen evidence of other skills please list them would like to see them I cant find any
Please based on your obviouse knowlege and years of pro training explain exacly what BJJ skills and or wrestling prowes Nelson was using in that exchange.
Kimbo had he had mor training should have been able to reverse.

Lesnar has a solid straight right (the punch that KO'd Randy and floored Mir and Herring) and great TD/TD defense. He has a very long reach for his size and his hands have become much more crisp. While in a clinch, he really utilizes the knees effectively and causes major damage using them.

In Nelson's case, he was able to freely pass Kimbo's guard and shift his hips to trap the arm and maintain a crucifix position. You also forget that he called this move and was determined to finish from that position. You act like everyone can achieve a Renzo BB status without any skill. There was very little actual weight difference between Kimbo and Nelson (~10 lbs) and certainly not enough to say that it is the only reason he was able to maintain position.
 
Nice try sport! "it was only Brocks second pro fight" then maybe he shouldnt have been the interum champ

He wasn't the "interum" champ, he was the interim champ. At any rate, whether or not he later became the "interum" champ is, again, highly secondary to the point at hand: namely, that his inexperience led him to be defeated by a fighter who utilized his skill set to his advantage - much in the way Brock defeated Mir with his advantage at a later date.

Brocks personatity what personality?

I think he has a hilarious "persontitty", as well as a personality. At any rate, you are clearly projecting your dislike for his antics all over his skills, and any contention otherwise is dishonest.
Your not sure what Im trying to say (then dont interjet)

I digress.

the 60lbs spread in the HW class is by far the largest in any weight class really all the classes combined. I dont care if someone cuts I cut.

Choosing to define the entire class by the most extreme parameters within it - 205 to 265 - is illogical, but you already knew that. In reality, and to use Mir and Brock, for an example, the weigh-in spread was 30lbs. Not too much unlike the spread in other weight classes which is anywhere from 15 to 20lbs. The key here, and what you are either unwilling or unable to recognize, is that the weight spreads are proportionate - i.e., Brock's 30lbs weight advantage is proportionate to, say, the 20lb weight advantage a WW has over his opponent. Again, it is relative.

But if ,by your logic, weight means nothing its all skill then why have a weight class in anything?

This is nothing more than a Red Herring. I never claimed weight "means nothing", though you already knew that.

and hypocricy you would have to point out exactly were it was cant see it myself.

What?

And Brocks skill? What friggin skill laying on a guy and hammer fisting doesnt require a lot of skill.

Yes, nullifying one of the best BJJ guards in the HW division is quite unskillful. As was the keylock he managed to sink in on Frank - twice.
You will have to point out where the whining came in dont see it.

Again: what. But this time, what the ****?

The only point that was made was weigh especially that much weight makes a difference if it didnt why cut in the first place? Do I think Brock will take Carwin ....Probably do I think Brock can compete with top HW and SHW absolutly not.

Swagger, seriously: spellcheck, use it.

Do I think not knowing the weight class breakdown is amaturish YES
Do I think a guy in a wife beater paid a couple grand with min. experience is a pro......HA HA NO
And there is another school of thought on cutting nominal 5-10lb ok but much more and some feel it hurts them more than it helps them. to each their own.

Honestly, what the **** are you talking about?
 
You cut 20lbs give or take in a few hours, I know thats brutal I used to do the is that a regular thing?
No one said he wasnt a good wrestler just that he has been over hyped and his record dosent reflect his belt. Can we agree on that?
 
You cut 20lbs give or take in a few hours, I know thats brutal I used to do the is that a regular thing?
No one said he wasnt a good wrestler just that he has been over hyped and his record dosent reflect his belt. Can we agree on that?

I don't agree with a damn thing you say. It's a bunch of incoherent babble. He beat 2 top-10 HW to become undisputed UFC HW champ. He didn't take the typical path because he's not a typical athlete.
 
Well, the quality of weight between Herring and Carwin is quite different, particularly considering the base Carwin undoubtedly built during wrestling, so I doubt Brock would throw him around ala Herring. While Carwin's terrible angles and shuffle-step footwork are not sufficient against a competent striker, they should be adequate against Brock's own less-than-stellar technicality. As well, I simply do not think Brock was quite the stand-up KO power as Carwin. At any rate, he should still be able to use his wrestling to nullify any danger and score a GnP stoppage.


Really?
 
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