Unanswered Trest update

[Matthersby]

I think you might need a little break at some point huh? That’s 22 weeks not including what ever you’ve been on since I joined in May..Think about your health man. Also I would save the Primo for another run. It’s a very mild cutting steroid. It would kinda be a waste to stack it at low dose with high test and SD. Primo should be run no less then 600ng week. Not sure what you have planned though.

Love it when you get all rational and responsible. I am really bad at that part of this, I never want the party to end. But these blasts get less and less effective when we do it this way, so I’m glad someone says it. Breaks are necessary. Very few of us are taking advantage of all the other resources we can use between blasts.

 

[Mathb33]

@ItalOne saving a brother one at a time! I’m about to call you and @Matthersby my daddies since I don’t have one... does that sound gay?

 

[jackedviking]

@ItalOne saving a brother one at a time! I’m about to call you and @Matthersby my daddies since I don’t have one... does that sound gay?

Only if you look each other in the eye when you call him “daddy.”

 

[Codybenz]

I think you might need a little break at some point huh? That’s 22 weeks not including what ever you’ve been on since I joined in May..Think about your health man. Also I would save the Primo for another run. It’s a very mild cutting steroid. It would kinda be a waste to stack it at low dose with high test and SD. Primo should be run no less then 600ng week. Not sure what you have planned though.

So I haven’t been on since May, lol. Haven’t been on in months. Only thing I have run this year has been anavar and test during the summer. I attempted DHB at the same time but aborted a few weeks in because of the knots. Wasn’t worth it.

And when I say test I mean low dose test. I’m on trt so I don’t really worry about shutdown. Yes 22 weeks is a long time, but I’m not running huge cycles throughout the year. Plan is simple. I’m going to run about 750 test and 300 primo. Was just going to run test but got a good deal on the primo when I ordered for wife so figured why not. And then I will finish last 4 weeks with SD.

Sure not great for health but taking AAS never is. I don’t have a long of history of AAS use. This will in fact be the longest cycle I’ve ran.

 

[Renew1]

"This will in fact be the longest cycle I’ve ran."
LOL. I hope so.
If you're running a log, will you please tag some bros?

 

[Codybenz]

"This will in fact be the longest cycle I’ve ran."
LOL. I hope so.
If you're running a log, will you please tag some bros?

Guess that did sound a little silly, lol. I only said that because I know some people who stay on almost year round with very little breaks.

Brings up a good discussion point though. What’s worse for health, a few years of hard long cycles, or many years of numerous traditional length cycles?

 

[Matthersby]

@ItalOne saving a brother one at a time! I’m about to call you and @Matthersby my daddies since I don’t have one... does that sound gay?

No gayer than usual, just where I like it.

 

[Matthersby]

Guess that did sound a little silly, lol. I only said that because I know some people who stay on almost year round with very little breaks.

Brings up a good discussion point though. What’s worse for health, a few years of hard long cycles, or many years of numerous traditional length cycles?

I think that the drugs being used and your diet play a significant role.
I don’t think it’s the worlds worst thing to blast, check labs, blast again with different drugs, but 2 things usually happen; we minimize our out of range labs “well hdl is only 15 away from in range and hct is just barely over” so we blast again, this is where we start taking unnecessary risks. 2nd thing is the drugs don’t work nearly as well. Like sometimes barely at all, but better than a cruise. And I know we already know this but sometimes we rationalize. You wouldn’t die from doing this for a few years in order to compete or reach an important goal, but the addictive nature of this shows us that we will not simply stop there. The discipline to cruise intermittently to get those receptors primed, is hard for a lot of us. But it’s the best practice. I’ve been blasting since February pretty much non stop and while my labs look pretty good, I’m constantly increasing doses and wished I was getting more out of my drugs. That’s the more significant factor, but rest assured if I did this year after year, I’d probably be risking my long term health big time.
But to your question, traditional length is better for the long term because you give yourself more time to get your health back to baseline. Far better for health.

 

[ItalOne]

So I haven’t been on since May, lol. Haven’t been on in months. Only thing I have run this year has been anavar and test during the summer. I attempted DHB at the same time but aborted a few weeks in because of the knots. Wasn’t worth it.

And when I say test I mean low dose test. I’m on trt so I don’t really worry about shutdown. Yes 22 weeks is a long time, but I’m not running huge cycles throughout the year. Plan is simple. I’m going to run about 750 test and 300 primo. Was just going to run test but got a good deal on the primo when I ordered for wife so figured why not. And then I will finish last 4 weeks with SD.

Sure not great for health but taking AAS never is. I don’t have a long of history of AAS use. This will in fact be the longest cycle I’ve ran.

I never said you were on since May bro. It honestly doesn’t matter how many cycles you have run or at what dosage. As long as you justify it and cycle recklessly you’ll believe itThere’s nothing wrong with taking 6-8 weeks off between your proposed cycle’sss. No need to be so dependent on the gear for such a long duration.

I think we had some words about DHB when I first joined here and I was saying the same thing then, it wasn’t worth it. I think that other dude Khalil gave me a hard time about what I said and ended up quitting after 3 weeks.
Supposedly @jrock645 has the purple unicorn in a shoe box under his bed. “Pipless DHB”

I wish you with luck with whatever you decide on. Though I still think 300mg of Primo is a waste.

 

[bigbeaph]

@ItalOne saving a brother one at a time! I’m about to call you and @Matthersby my daddies since I don’t have one... does that sound gay?

Better put the cialis down for a couple days...I see a group hug approaching

 

[Mathb33]

 

[Smont]

id run that m1a as a kicker for a couple weeks. U will want to really watch that Mk677 combo here tho... i get really bad directed edema at full dose when using this stack.. last time i ran 10mgs eod and had a much better out come.. before that i would spend a full month after cycle just trying to get my feet to fit into my shoes again.

edit: what brand TD you have? if its a trest ace TD 60 is a lot!

I ran a bunch of orals 2 months ago. That's why I wanna leave it alone. Trest from pre, yk11 from maresearch, mk from maresearch too. And test e 250

 

[Smont]

Not completely opposed to doing 2 or 3 weeks of m1ad tho. Maybe 45,60,60. Until like April of this year I had been off gear for like 4years

 

[Codybenz]

I think that the drugs being used and your diet play a significant role.
I don’t think it’s the worlds worst thing to blast, check labs, blast again with different drugs, but 2 things usually happen; we minimize our out of range labs “well hdl is only 15 away from in range and hct is just barely over” so we blast again, this is where we start taking unnecessary risks. 2nd thing is the drugs don’t work nearly as well. Like sometimes barely at all, but better than a cruise. And I know we already know this but sometimes we rationalize. You wouldn’t die from doing this for a few years in order to compete or reach an important goal, but the addictive nature of this shows us that we will not simply stop there. The discipline to cruise intermittently to get those receptors primed, is hard for a lot of us. But it’s the best practice. I’ve been blasting since February pretty much non stop and while my labs look pretty good, I’m constantly increasing doses and wished I was getting more out of my drugs. That’s the more significant factor, but rest assured if I did this year after year, I’d probably be risking my long term health big time.
But to your question, traditional length is better for the long term because you give yourself more time to get your health back to baseline. Far better for health.

Good points but I think the last part you misunderstood what I was saying. It wasn’t really a question that I was wondering so much as a topic for discussion.

Example. Bro A has been doing traditional cycle length with good breaks in between cycles. But he has been doing it since he was 20 and he is now 40.

Bro B has been blasting for 9 months out of the year with heavy doses, but started when he was 30 and is now 35. So only 5 years. Who has taken a bigger hit health wise.

Now obviously tons of variables in this including genetics/health of individual. But I bring this up because I watched a video with Dr. Ren before and he stated that research/results shows that guys that use for heavy and hard for 10 years and then stops has better overall
Health as they age than guys using moderate doses and cycle lengths for more years of their life. He claims it’s worse health wise to be using year after after year than large doses and cycle length for fewer years.

 

[Codybenz]

And also thanks for the input and advise and concerns. They don’t fall on deaf ears. I’m not naive enough to think a 22 week cycle isn’t going to have any consequences down the road.

 

[bigbeaph]

And also thanks for the input and advise and concerns. They don’t fall on deaf ears. I’m not naive enough to think a 22 week cycle isn’t going to have any consequences down the road.

If you dont do it all the time...take your support supps, and then follow with plenty of time to clean out and get back to baseline I dont see that being a problem. If it's someone that's not on trt I believe hcg throughout would be a key item as well.

One big cycle is way different than running 22 weeks on...8 off...22 weeks on or something of that nature. Personally I wouldnt shy away from doing that occasionally at all.

 

[jackedviking]

And also thanks for the input and advise and concerns. They don’t fall on deaf ears. I’m not naive enough to think a 22 week cycle isn’t going to have any consequences down the road.

That’s why I love this forum! Granted I’ve been MIA for a minute, but the camaraderie and brotherhood and genuine care is what brought me back to AM.

 

[Codybenz]

If you dont do it all the time...take your support supps, and then follow with plenty of time to clean out and get back to baseline I dont see that being a problem. If it's someone that's not on trt I believe hcg throughout would be a key item as well.

One big cycle is way different than running 22 weeks on...8 off...22 weeks on or something of that nature. Personally I wouldnt shy away from doing that occasionally at all.

That’s pretty much the mindset I have

 

[Matthersby]

Good points but I think the last part you misunderstood what I was saying. It wasn’t really a question that I was wondering so much as a topic for discussion.

Example. Bro A has been doing traditional cycle length with good breaks in between cycles. But he has been doing it since he was 20 and he is now 40.

Bro B has been blasting for 9 months out of the year with heavy doses, but started when he was 30 and is now 35. So only 5 years. Who has taken a bigger hit health wise.

Now obviously tons of variables in this including genetics/health of individual. But I bring this up because I watched a video with Dr. Ren before and he stated that research/results shows that guys that use for heavy and hard for 10 years and then stops has better overall
Health as they age than guys using moderate doses and cycle lengths for more years of their life. He claims it’s worse health wise to be using year after after year than large doses and cycle length for fewer years.

I understood, probably didn’t present my answer clearly. Bro A. Because MOST of the year, his cholesterol and blood viscosity are good. 9 months of blasting is going to start to affect your health. Now, I am Bro B literally right now, currently, and my labs aren’t too terrible. Where I think the problem lies is Bro B is going to undoubtedly keep doing this, so in another 5 he’s in trouble. Bro A will probably always be good being natty or cruising more time than he’s mucking up his bloods.

 

[Codybenz]

I understood, probably didn’t present my answer clearly. Bro A. Because MOST of the year, his cholesterol and blood viscosity are good. 9 months of blasting is going to start to affect your health. Now, I am Bro B literally right now, currently, and my labs aren’t too terrible. Where I think the problem lies is Bro B is going to undoubtedly keep doing this, so in another 5 he’s in trouble. Bro A will probably always be good being natty or cruising more time than he’s mucking up his bloods.

Good points. What is your definition of a cruise? In my opinion you’re either on cycle or off cycle. And anything beyond trt constitutes being On. That being said I really don’t think high doses of test alone are bad for you if you keep hematocrit in check and it doesn’t effect your prostate. But if you add any other AAS in the mix for a cruise, that’s just being on cycle. I’m my opinion.

 

[Matthersby]

Good points. What is your definition of a cruise? In my opinion you’re either on cycle or off cycle. And anything beyond trt constitutes being On. That being said I really don’t think high doses of test alone are bad for you if you keep hematocrit in check and it doesn’t effect your prostate. But if you add any other AAS in the mix for a cruise, that’s just being on cycle. I’m my opinion.

Just enough to bring you to 1100tt or less. That’s all opinion. And I agree, you could cruise higher and be fine health wise but may run into that same issue of under-responding next blast.
200 or less, for 6 weeks minimum? 8 probably, even 12. High test never really gives me any trouble either. Just don’t get big gains from it.

 

[Smont]

Just enough to bring you to 1100tt or less. That’s all opinion. And I agree, you could cruise higher and be fine health wise but may run into that same issue of under-responding next blast.
200 or less, for 6 weeks minimum? 8 probably, even 12. High test never really gives me any trouble either. Just don’t get big gains from it.

Not that any1 cares, but my opinion is that trt and a cruise are not the same thing. Trt "replacement" is taking enough to put you within normal range. Cruise is a lower dose of drugs to maintain your physique while giving yourself somewhat of a break from the blast.

 

[Matthersby]

Not that any1 cares, but my opinion is that trt and a cruise are not the same thing. Trt "replacement" is taking enough to put you within normal range. Cruise is a lower dose of drugs to maintain your physique while giving yourself somewhat of a break from the blast.

I care. I’d even tend to lean this way as I’ve responded to the next blast even when low-dosing another drug with test on my cruise. The higher the dose on the cruise, the worse the response on the next blast though. I need to test some different things out with this though. I think the cruise drug needs to be different than the next blast too, but this is total speculation ex; mast e 200 / test e 200 -blast- 400 test 500 npp. Or something like that, but that couldn’t be more broscientific. It’s all trial and error.

 

[BCseacow83]

i think i know of a couple dudes who dont really get much of a libido increase.. that said, you surely wont lose any ground... namsayin?

Trest totally destroys my libido. I can run it with some form of DHT and be a little better but it is no where near as good as a low dose TRT for libido, FOR ME. I have used the original Pure Oils and others since and while I do gain on it I do not get the other positives most do.

 

[Outofbody]

Trest totally destroys my libido. I can run it with some form of DHT and be a little better but it is no where near as good as a low dose TRT for libido, FOR ME. I have used the original Pure Oils and others since and while I do gain on it I do not get the other positives most do.

Do you run any type of prolactin control on it? Prami makes my libido absolutely insane. For me it has a far stronger effect on libido than caber.

 

[Codybenz]

I can say it doesn’t hurt my libido but it didn’t help it either. I’m running caber. One day I will try some prami and see what that does.

 

[bigbeaph]

I care. I’d even tend to lean this way as I’ve responded to the next blast even when low-dosing another drug with test on my cruise. The higher the dose on the cruise, the worse the response on the next blast though. I need to test some different things out with this though. I think the cruise drug needs to be different than the next blast too, but this is total speculation ex; mast e 200 / test e 200 -blast- 400 test 500 npp. Or something like that, but that couldn’t be more broscientific. It’s all trial and error.

I wonder if it boils down to ratios? Say your normal blast is 750mg of gear when your used to 150mg trt. That's a good blast for you. Now you decided to cruise on 300mg. The 750 blast is less effective....but since you doubled your cruise dose - now double your blast dose to 1.5g and your getting the same sort of results on a blast that you did prior?

As I read again this is basically what your saying...I'm just talking about being able to put real numbers to results??

 

[BCseacow83]

i think i know of a couple dudes who dont really get much of a libido increase.. that said, you surely wont lose any ground... namsayin?

Trest totally destroys my libido. I can run it with some form of DHT and be a little better but it is no where near as good as a low dose TRT for libido, FOR ME. I have used the original Pure Oils and others since and while I do gain on it I do not get the other positives most do.

Do you run any type of prolactin control on it? Prami makes my libido absolutely insane. For me it has a far stronger effect on libido than caber.

I first ran Prami 10 years ago and it simply transformed my life. I was confident, outgoing and simply the me I always wanted to be. Fast forward and I no longer have the dopamine system I used to. Prami does not sit well now. Low dose or high dose and everywhere in between no dice. I do better on trest with something like epiandro/stano added so I believe the lack of DHT when running trest with no test just kills me. I also have no natty test with sub 50ng/dl total test so perhaps that makes a difference. Everything people claim trest gives them I get from test. Considering it is so much cheaper I am happy this is the case.

 

[Matthersby]

Trest loves DHT. I try to give it as much as possible.

 

[Ironpirate]

That sucks that trest kills your libido. Trest, msten, and cialis is like prom night all over for me.

 

[Codybenz]

Just curious what is everybodies prefered cialis dose.

 

[CroLifter]

Libido is a tricky thing. You just wake up one day with great libido. Then it is gone without any explanation,
I had great libido on 100mg test and hcg and all of a sudden it disappeared.
I didnt change anything in regards to my estrogen control. I dont hold water. My joints are not hurting.

thought it might be prolactin again. Took a little bit of caber and nothing. Only got nauseous.

morning wood is here but no libido.

It is one of the things that i never could control.

i caught a viral infection a few days ago so it might be that.

 

[jackedviking]

Trest loves DHT. I try to give it as much as possible.

So like epiandro or something would help? Or are you saying more like Proviron and Masteron?

 

[jackedviking]

That sucks that trest kills your libido. Trest, msten, and cialis is like prom night all over for me.

Simply trest alone (at least for the 1st week) has been like prom night for me! Walking around with hardons all day, the ones that hurt too!

 

[Ironpirate]

Just curious what is everybodies prefered cialis dose.

5mg a day. I like the vascularity and pump i get from 10-15 but i get painful heart burn if i go above 5 a day.

 

[bigbeaph]

Simply trest alone (at least for the 1st week) has been like prom night for me! Walking around with hardons all day, the ones that hurt too!

Only time ever I could get my wife in the sack twice a day regularly. And I didnt let her down bc the trest was kicking.....unfortunately I found out how great hcg works at the same time....and now hes about to turn 1!

 

[bigbeaph]

Simply trest alone (at least for the 1st week) has been like prom night for me! Walking around with hardons all day, the ones that hurt too!

Only time ever I could get my wife in the sack twice a day regularly. And I didnt let her down bc the trest was kicking.....unfortunately I found out how great hcg works at the same time....and now hes about to turn 1!

 

[jackedviking]

Only time ever I could get my wife in the sack twice a day regularly. And I didnt let her down bc the trest was kicking.....unfortunately I found out how great hcg works at the same time....and now hes about to turn 1!

Lolol! That’s what happened with my second when I was on TRT. Was pretty sure I was shooting blanks and then got on some HCG, but continued to deposit loads in the wifey like an armored truck at a bank doing the daily run... now she’s 1.

 

[Outofbody]

This trest libido thing is interesting. My first time running trest, I was super aggressive in bed. This time around I was as well, but after a couple months, it completely went away. I think it was prolactin sneaking up on me, because sleep started getting effected too.

 

[JKVol]

Trest loves DHT. I try to give it as much as possible.

This is my take also. When I use AndroHard with Trest my bedroom game is on point

 

[Matthersby]

That sucks that trest kills your libido. Trest, msten, and cialis is like prom night all over for me.

It’s really rare though. Most everyone that runs it gets out of control libido. Weirdly though, if you run it too often it doesn’t at all.

 

[Ironpirate]

It’s really rare though. Most everyone that runs it gets out of control libido. Weirdly though, if you run it too often it doesn’t at all.

That's the first time I've heard of it negatively affecting someone's libido. I'll keep that in mind and probably switch to test for my next cycle because i can see myself running this stuff way too often.

 

[Smont]

That's the first time I've heard of it negatively affecting someone's libido. I'll keep that in mind and probably switch to test for my next cycle because i can see myself running this stuff way too often.

When it first got popular it was a mixed bag, some said out of control horny and others it killed there sex drive.

On trest ace td solo I had no change, morning wood became less often but no problems at all. Added in 125 test and morning wood came back but no change in sex drive or erection quality. As of the past few days im at 30 trest, 250 test and 25mg rolox. Raging morning wood or all night wood, I woke up 3 times last night with a hard on. Like steel. Horny all day too.

 

[Ironpirate]

When it first got popular it was a mixed bag, some said out of control horny and others it killed there sex drive.

On trest ace td solo I had no change, morning wood became less often but no problems at all. Added in 125 test and morning wood came back but no change in sex drive or erection quality. As of the past few days im at 30 trest, 250 test and 25mg rolox. Raging morning wood or all night wood, I woke up 3 times last night with a hard on. Like steel. Horny all day too.

It's crazy how we all have such different reactions to a common chemical. Personally i like it better than test, with test i get too many estrogen sides but I'll just have to play around with different esters and pin frequency to see what works.

 

[Matthersby]

It's crazy how we all have such different reactions to a common chemical. Personally i like it better than test, with test i get too many estrogen sides but I'll just have to play around with different esters and pin frequency to see what works.

I don’t know if we talked about this in another thread but testless Trest works really well too.

 

[Ironpirate]

I don’t know if we talked about this in another thread but testless Trest works really well too.

I'm starting to see that now. Like you said before if i use it too frequently it will most likely lose some of it's good qualities. I'm just curious if it's worth running over 8 weeks or should i stick with test for the 12-16 weekers.

 

[Smont]

It's crazy how we all have such different reactions to a common chemical. Personally i like it better than test, with test i get too many estrogen sides but I'll just have to play around with different esters and pin frequency to see what works.

And with test I get no estrogen sides, or any sides with anything really. Excpt back acne. Fuckin back acne

 

[Matthersby]

I'm starting to see that now. Like you said before if i use it too frequently it will most likely lose some of it's good qualities. I'm just curious if it's worth running over 8 weeks or should i stick with test for the 12-16 weekers.

I usually run it too long. 8-10 is standard for short esters but I always enjoy it so much I run it way too long or drop to a tiny dose of 40 eod and stay on for months and months. But it does very little for libido when I run it half the year. Oddly now npp does more for libido and always dht’s

 

[Nac]

I love being horny all day, but goddamn I start entertaining some dodgy fantasies (escorts, co-workers, Mother-in-law, etc)

 

[Mathb33]

I love being horny all day, but goddamn I start entertaining some dodgy fantasies (escorts, co-workers, Mother-in-law, etc)

Oh you going straight to hell