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I’ll be doing a 8-10 week cycle and then starting TRT. I’ll be saving the cyp I should be taking during this time for a future blast. I just pinned the first 50mg of trest ace to start things off. This is my first injectable cycle which will end in 8-10 weeks so I can go to my TRT dose of cyp and get my bloodwork done for the doc.

The cycle will be as follows
Week 1-4 Msten 20mg/day
Week 1-end 3AD 75mg/day
Week 1-end 150mg/week trest enth
I will be adding some trest ace at the beginning as a front load. Probably close to a double dose over the week to get blood levels up quickly.

I will be taking aromasin as needed and I’m taking Ralox already for some small gyno reduction and to ensure it doesn’t worsen with the Trest. I will be taking the usual fish oil, tudca, cycle supports.

Edit: didn’t use the ace to front load. Using 3x 100mg doses of enth on week 1 for the front load.
 
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I do have some 7-alpha liquid to take pre workout as well when I feel the need.

Edit: I’m just going to save this for another time when I’m not taking trest IM anyway.
 
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Ok, my opinion based solely on my own experiences, if youre frontloading with trest ace, plus using 7-alpha prewo, Id question the usefulness of the msten as a kicker. Me, I wouldnt need it at all with everything else trest going on. But maybe Im a pussy.
 

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Ok, my opinion based solely on my own experiences, if youre frontloading with trest ace, plus using 7-alpha prewo, Id question the usefulness of the msten as a kicker. Me, I wouldnt need it at all with everything else trest going on. But maybe Im a pussy.
I wanted the msten bc it is a DHT derivative and I have liked the combo in the past. I have the 7 alpha for PWO but I am not going to be using it every day or every workout. I honestly never got much out of oral trest, I was just making an order and figured I’d give it another try.
 

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I wanted the msten bc it is a DHT derivative and I have liked the combo in the past. I have the 7 alpha for PWO but I am not going to be using it every day or every workout. I honestly never got much out of oral trest, I was just making an order and figured I’d give it another try.
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7 alpha preworkout is going to do nothing for you. It’s a TD it’s meant to absorb usually takes about 3-4 hrs to be completely absorb. If you wanted Trest preworkout you should have got pills. Also you may be playing with fire dosing that much trest with estrogen levels and prolactin. That is if you are using e ace and 7 alpha.
 

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7 alpha preworkout is going to do nothing for you. It’s a TD it’s meant to absorb usually takes about 3-4 hrs to be completely absorb. If you wanted Trest preworkout you should have got pills. Also you may be playing with fire dosing that much trest with estrogen levels and prolactin. That is if you are using e ace and 7 alpha.
The 7 alpha is oral. I’m not opposed to dropping it tho as like I said it’s never done much for me. I also think 150mg/wk is pretty conservative so I wasn’t too worried about it. I am already taking Ralox and have aromasin I’ll be dosing as needed depending on how often it’s needed. I have pharma anastrozole from my doc as well I could use if that would be more effective. I won’t be continuing the ace and the enth. Week one I will be using both as a front load. Every subsequent week will be trest enth @150/wk
 
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It’s been about 24 hours since I pinned that first dose. Obviously I don’t feel anything at this point aside from pip. The pip isn’t crazy and being the first time I’ve pinned I’m sure it could have been smoother. Doc sent 5/8” 25 gauge needles so they’re fairly small. I’m not sure if I should get larger ones.

Anyone have any advice on dosing the aromasin? I have 25mg tabs.
 

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So last night (Sunday) I started the enth at 100mg. I also took a 25mg aromasin. I will be doing two more 100mg doses this week for a total of 300mg. All subsequent weeks are planned for 150mg.

I started the 3AD and msten this morning along with the support supps.

I’ll weigh myself today when I work out. Been hovering around 204 lately.

I was considering running my hcg from the doc as prescribed during this run. Anyone have any input on that? I don’t see why I wouldn’t but I’ve never used it before so any advice would help.
 

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Weighed in at 205 yesterday. Workout went as usual. Nothing to report on yet which is what I expected.
 

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207 today. Had a good workout but nothing to crazy. Good pumps almost as if I took a pump type product. Starting to feel fuller but again it’s only been a few days so I don’t expect much yet.
 

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Second 100mg pin this morning. Today is a rest day so not going to have anything to report. Also took another 25 mg aromasin
 
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Forgot to weigh myself today so I will tomorrow. Definitely feeling fuller already

Edit: 209 today 08/16
 
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Forgot to mention doc prescribed 350iu hcg 2x a week as well as 1/2 grain t3/t4 armour every morning. They came in. Just did the hcg. About to take my third 100mg dose of the trest enth and a 25 mg aromasin. I’ll start the armour tomorrow before breakfast. Also got some ace in today at 100mg/ml. The other ace I have is 50mg/ml so it’ll be interesting comparing the two next cycle or at the finish of this one.
 
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First normal .75ml dose tonight with hcg and 25 mg aromasin. I’ve increased my Ralox since my pre existing gyno got a little irritated
 

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Sorry I haven’t been keeping this up to date but I’m just talking to myself anyway so it doesn’t really matter.

Been staying on schedule with everything. Decided to add 100mg/week of my test cyp. I’m hoping I just feel better overall with a little test. Weight still up around 210 or so at this point. I’ll weigh myself at the gym tomorrow.

I have to add a considerable amount of cardio bc of something changing with work so this will probably start leaning more towards a cut.
 
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Up to 214 today. Really starting to see visible changes now. Had a great pull workout, I wanted to stay and keep it going but I workout on my lunch break so I am limited to an hour.

Tonight will be another 75 mg dose of trest and 50 mg of test c.
 

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215 today. I also added phentermine today at 15 mg. I didn’t feel any appetite suppression but definitely euphoria and energy. Monday I’ll be adding Cardarine as well. Just did a light cardio day and felt good. Tomorrow will be legs.
 

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Got some serious back pumps today. I’ve never had that happen on any cycle ever before. I cut my workout shorter than I had planned but still got a good day in.

Maybe I’ll have to add in taurine if this continues? Any ideas?
 

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Today is day 1 of week 4 and I had an amazing push workout today. Was up to 219 today. Hit some numbers I haven’t hit in years so I’m feeling on top of the world. I don’t know if it’s the added test or what but I haven’t felt really “on” until this point. I mean I’ve felt an improvement over where I was but today it just felt like the stars aligned.

So just to go over what it’s looking like at this point-

150mg/w trest e
100mg/w test c
20mg/d msten
75mg/d 3AD swole patrol
TRT dose (half grain I think) of thyroid armour

Just started cardarine today 20mg/d
Phentermine 15mg/d

I stop the msten after this week. I’ll continue the rest for a while. I have to get bloods I think by the third week of October for the doc

Edit: hcg and support supps taken as well
 
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Keep posting, I'm reading along.
I'm particularly interested in gyno flare ups, because I firmly believe, that AI's and also Serms do NOT mitigate gyno from trest. Not gonna get into the "why" just yet, in case I'm wrong.
Time will tell, just waiting for your gyno to explode, so to speak.
 
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Quick question:
I'm no expert on PH's.
Are Msten and/or 3AD DHT derivatives?
 

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Keep posting, I'm reading along.
I'm particularly interested in gyno flare ups, because I firmly believe, that AI's and also Serms do NOT mitigate gyno from trest. Not gonna get into the "why" just yet, in case I'm wrong.
Time will tell, just waiting for your gyno to explode, so to speak.
So I’ve had gyno probably since before I knew what it really was but it was always so little that even once I heard of it I doubted whether it was actual gyno or just higher body fat and probably high e2. I do definitely have it and I actually had a flare up recently being on no hormones but after I quit drinking oddly enough. I think my body was just out of whack from years of abuse. I was taking 50mg a day of Ralox and have now upped it to 100 to A combat it getting worse from the trest and B try to shrink it if possible. I have been taking aromasin as well. Started taking it twice a week at 25mg with my shots and now I take it pretty much every other day. Gyno has not gotten any worse but I have been trying to be very vigilant and I am purposely taking a low dose of test and trest bc of this.

Yes msten and 3AD are DHT based. Another hope was that this May aid in fighting the gyno but I also just like DHT derivatives.
 
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So I’ve had gyno probably since before I knew what it really was but it was always so little that even once I heard of it I doubted whether it was actual gyno or just higher body fat and probably high e2. I do definitely have it and I actually had a flare up recently being on no hormones but after I quit drinking oddly enough. I think my body was just out of whack from years of abuse. I was taking 50mg a day of Ralox and have now upped it to 100 to A combat it getting worse from the trest and B try to shrink it if possible. I have been taking aromasin as well. Started taking it twice a week at 25mg with my shots and now I take it pretty much every other day. Gyno has not gotten any worse but I have been trying to be very vigilant and I am purposely taking a low dose of test and trest bc of this.

Yes msten and 3AD are DHT based. Another hope was that this May aid in fighting the gyno but I also just like DHT derivatives.
Ah, okay. Good choice to take DHT derivatives along Trest. That could suffice to keep gyno at bay. Trest's conversion to methyl-estro is not only done by aromatase enzyme, hence AI's are only efficient to a certain point. Methyl-estro together with upped prolactin and progesterone, creates the "perfect storm" on your nipples. From my experience, ralox does very little to nothing when it comes to prolactin induced gyno, nor do AI's.
No serm, but moderate AI and DHT at high dose worked for me, also cabergoline. Ralox + high dosed AI did NOT work.
 
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Ah, okay. Good choice to take DHT derivatives along Trest. That could suffice to keep gyno at bay. Trest's conversion to methyl-estro is not only done by aromatase enzyme, hence AI's are only efficient to a certain point. Methyl-estro together with upped prolactin and progesterone, creates the "perfect storm" on your nipples. From my experience, ralox does very little to nothing when it comes to prolactin induced gyno, nor do AI's.
No serm, moderate AI and DHT at high dose worked for me, also cabergoline. Ralox + high dosed AI did NOT work.
Talk more about being the perfect storm on my nipples...
 

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Ah, okay. Good choice to take DHT derivatives along Trest. That could suffice to keep gyno at bay. Trest's conversion to methyl-estro is not only done by aromatase enzyme, hence AI's are only efficient to a certain point. Methyl-estro together with upped prolactin and progesterone, creates the "perfect storm" on your nipples. From my experience, ralox does very little to nothing when it comes to prolactin induced gyno, nor do AI's.
No serm, moderate AI and DHT at high dose worked for me, also cabergoline. Ralox + high dosed AI did NOT work.
Yeah I have been considering picking up caber. Probably should just do it
 
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Talk more about being the perfect storm on my nipples...
LMAO! Want to see your face when you start lactating as I did on trest.
 

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Ah, okay. Good choice to take DHT derivatives along Trest. That could suffice to keep gyno at bay. Trest's conversion to methyl-estro is not only done by aromatase enzyme, hence AI's are only efficient to a certain point. Methyl-estro together with upped prolactin and progesterone, creates the "perfect storm" on your nipples. From my experience, ralox does very little to nothing when it comes to prolactin induced gyno, nor do AI's.
No serm, but moderate AI and DHT at high dose worked for me, also cabergoline. Ralox + high dosed AI did NOT work.
Anything beside caber you like for prolactin control? P5P or anything
 

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218 today. Appetite was gone most of the day and had a little bit of heartburn but nothing to write home about. Not sure if that’s a bad side effect of the msten or a desirable effect from the phentermine but either way it kept the diet in check today. Had a decent pull day. Deadlifts felt good, just minor back pumps after them and barbell rows. Which reminds me that I ordered taurine and never received it. As I write this I’m actually getting pretty hungry now. I’m seeing some visible changes especially in my traps, legs, arms, well really everywhere except my gut. Just solidifies in my mind the fact that I need to cut or at the very least recomp. I have gained a good bit of weight and really not gained fat but I need to drop it. I’m rambling.
 
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Anything beside caber you like for prolactin control? P5P or anything
Supplements like inhibit-P may work somewhat at fairly high dosages.
Caber is the best. Prami is the second best.
Its cheap and lowers prolactin -BUT, Prami is the devil for some of us. I took only three (3) drops and felt like dying. Seriously. I'm not a whiner. Just looking at a flask of this stuff gives me a panic attack.
 

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Supplements like inhibit-P may work somewhat at fairly high dosages.
Caber is the best. Prami is the second best.
Its cheap and lowers prolactin -BUT, Prami is the devil for some of us. I took only three (3) drops and felt like dying. Seriously. I'm not a whiner. Just looking at a flask of this stuff gives me a panic attack.
No gym today as I had some training going on for work. I didn’t eat much of anything either which doesn’t bother me. I was looking around for some caber and the source I generally use doesn’t have it. MA has prami but as you said I’d prefer to find some caber.

I’m going to count back from when I need to do bloods so I can find an end date to this cycle. How long before bloods do you guys think I should drop the trest and 3AD and up my test to my normal dose? 2 weeks? 4? I’ve considered switching to trest ace after this week so when I do decide to end it the trest clears out quickly. I am still enjoying the cycle, no planning to end it bc I want to just need to figure it out so I can get my bloodwork.

I’m already thinking of what my next cycle is going to be. I like the trest but I don’t know if I want to be fighting the gyno for another cycle right away. I have some proviron, 3AD, M1A, metfit brand Mithras (forget the actual compound), test cyp, trest enth and ace. I was considering kicking with the M1A and just doing moderate dose test and proviron. I don’t know. Any input? My source has most any compounds as well so I could get whatever
 
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Supplements like inhibit-P may work somewhat at fairly high dosages.
Caber is the best. Prami is the second best.
Its cheap and lowers prolactin -BUT, Prami is the devil for some of us. I took only three (3) drops and felt like dying. Seriously. I'm not a whiner. Just looking at a flask of this stuff gives me a panic attack.
Jesus man, some of us even have issues with caber lol.
 
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Some report caber gives them stone hard boners.
The sex drive was already through the roof with Tren but it dipped a bit so i added caber. Next thing i know im spending too much money and putting my penis into married women with regularity...

But yes the boners were optimal lol
 
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@DaveyCrockett where you been?
Injured a tendon in my elbow and had a fight with oral AAS.....down to 173 lbs....think ive got some liver damage too lol

TUDCA boys and girls
 
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Liver damage? From your dbol/anadrol cycle? How did you come up with that conclusion brotha
 

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@Matthersby i think I saw you mention your current cruise somewhere recently but I can’t find it. Care to share?
 

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Down to 216 today. Was planning on a run today but my back, hips, and knee have been bothering me. I think crushing my estrogen has been taking its toll on my joints. Possibly IT band issues as my knee has been having a sharp pain that seems like it’s from that. Also just plain exhausted as I have serious issues with sleep.

Legs tomorrow. Hoping to get a good workout in.
 
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Injured a tendon in my elbow and had a fight with oral AAS.....down to 173 lbs....think ive got some liver damage too lol

TUDCA boys and girls
Tudca and NAC. I think it was @Hyde who told me that NAC + orals = best idea. I can confirm it, it definitely curbs liver stress on cycle, have more appetite and seldom lethargy since using it (2x 1gr/d). I go with Tudca after a oral cycle, to be safe, as it stresses liver when taken before alcohol -and theoretically could stress liver with methyls (nobody knows).
 

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So I am starting to get a lump on my right side which is new. I’ve always had it on the left so that was expected but now it’s forming on the right. This is with 100mg ralox a day and 25 mg aromasin every few days.

I have only a few more days left on the msten which means I am almost at the end of the bottle of 3AD as well. I’m not sure if I want to open another bottle of the 3AD to run with the trest for another few weeks before I need to discontinue for bloodwork or not. I was thinking of upping it to 100mg a day in hopes of helping with gyno prevention. I also have proviron but I don’t really just want to use it for a couple weeks. I might just drop the trest and go to a cruise dose of test and regroup.

My source is out of caber but expecting it next week. I started taking inhibit p in the mean time.
 
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So I am starting to get a lump on my right side which is new. I’ve always had it on the left so that was expected but now it’s forming on the right. This is with 100mg ralox a day and 25 mg aromasin every few days.

I have only a few more days left on the msten which means I am almost at the end of the bottle of 3AD as well. I’m not sure if I want to open another bottle of the 3AD to run with the trest for another few weeks before I need to discontinue for bloodwork or not. I was thinking of upping it to 100mg a day in hopes of helping with gyno prevention. I also have proviron but I don’t really just want to use it for a couple weeks. I might just drop the trest and go to a cruise dose of test and regroup.

My source is out of caber but expecting it next week. I started taking inhibit p in the mean time.
Drop trest and get caber. Upping AI and serms will do nothing.

Here, suck this up:



Ah, okay. Good choice to take DHT derivatives along Trest. That could suffice to keep gyno at bay. Trest's conversion to methyl-estro is not only done by aromatase enzyme, hence AI's are only efficient to a certain point. Methyl-estro together with upped prolactin and progesterone, creates the "perfect storm" on your nipples. From my experience, ralox does very little to nothing when it comes to prolactin induced gyno, nor do AI's.
No serm, but moderate AI and DHT at high dose worked for me, also cabergoline. Ralox + high dosed AI did NOT work.

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Keep the calm, take caber until lumps are gone. IMO its not gyno yet -but swollen milk glands.
Next thing will happen when staying on trest is lactating, wanna bet?
 

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Drop trest and get caber. Upping AI and serms will do nothing.

Here, suck this up:





Keep the calm, take caber until lumps are gone. IMO its not gyno yet -but swollen milk glands.
Next thing will happen when staying on trest is lactating, wanna bet?
If I just breastfeed will they stop swelling? And yes I am waiting on caber that’s why I started the inhibit p in the mean time. Luckily I have a TON of trest so I’m gonna have to just buy a lot of caber so I can use it all lol
 

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