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[ChanceCF]

I still have no libido from my last Npp cycle 4 months ago. And also weird erections with no blood in the head of my dick. And yes Iv check my prolactin is low. So I know it’s because of DHN Iv decided to run 40 mgs of tren with my cruise. It’s been 10 days and no changes. Should I up tren to 100 mgs a week or wait longer

 

[match]

This is OP's previous thread, in case it helps anyone catch-up/remember what his issues were beforehand.

DHN - AnabolicMinds.com

Does the conversion of nandrolone to DHN up youre threshold for DHT derivatives without side effects

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[fireworkz788]

I have no experience with what you’re dealing with.

But after my last tren cycle I had low libido. And I was on cruise dose TRT.

I blasted some HCG and took 100mg of DHEA. This seemed to help me.

I’m not sure id run tren to get my libido back because it might just crash even harder when you stop.

Just my opinion.

 

[Hyde]

Why the hell didn’t you try something like Masteron or Proviron if you wanted to go the steroid route? Saying “I only had Tren on hand” is a poor reason to make poor choices. Get the right tools for the job, not ones that are likely to complicate things and ruin your health when you should be cruising.

 

[Jeremyk1]

Why the hell didn’t you try something like Masteron or Proviron if you wanted to go the steroid route? Saying “I only had Tren on hand” is a poor reason to make poor choices. Get the right tools for the job, not ones that are likely to complicate things and ruin your health when you should be cruising.

Anything can be a hammer, something, something. Or is it screwdriver? Anyway, I’m sure some kind of tool will work.

 

[Hyde]

Anything can be a hammer, something, something. Or is it screwdriver? Anyway, I’m sure some kind of tool will work.

Lol I follow the logic that Tren can drive libido hard initially sometimes, but in my N=1 experience if prolactin isn’t high, estrogen isn’t low (or super high), SHBG isn’t totally non-existent, and mast or proviron won’t bandaid it, then the solution is more time.

On the plus side, 40mg Tren e ain’t much, so if he just stops it now he’s not likely to complicate anything meaningfully.

 

[ChanceCF]

Lol I follow the logic that Tren can drive libido hard initially sometimes, but in my N=1 experience if prolactin isn’t high, estrogen isn’t low (or super high), SHBG isn’t totally non-existent, and mast or proviron won’t bandaid it, then the solution is more time.

On the plus side, 40mg Tren e ain’t much, so if he just stops it now he’s not likely to complicate anything meaningfully.

I’m going to drop the tren and try proviron and HCG. Do have you any experience with Npp and proviron

 

[ChanceCF]

I’m going to drop the tren and try proviron and HCG. Do have you any experience with Npp and proviron

My reasoning behind the tren was because I thought deca dick if my prolactin was Norman or low then it had to be DHN which is a weak androgen and tren is a strong one.

 

[Hyde]

I’m going to drop the tren and try proviron and HCG. Do have you any experience with Npp and proviron

HCG is tricky. It acutely makes me horny after injecting, but the estrogen buildup can get pretty significant for me and also promote a softer noodle before long. So use it sparingly and/or consider you may need a little AI if you push enough.

Proviron is really user-friendly; you take it daily and it will drive libido and erection strength. If you are using 50mg or more, I would split the daily dose into 2 separate servings.

I have only used Deca, 3 times now. Clearing my system as I type this. I get some softer noodle on it unless test is way higher, or I run some Masteron, which always fixes that up.

If you have Proviron, I would run that for a month or whatever. But fair warning, just discontinuing that your libido probably won’t be as strong right after, because it’s an ever-moving target anyway and you just pulled out a solid DHT. But hopefully the soft erection issue will be resolved by then.

Also, a little tadalafil for a few weeks could be a solution to the bloodflow issue, separate from libido help.

 

[ChanceCF]

HCG is tricky. It acutely makes me horny after injecting, but the estrogen buildup can get pretty significant for me and also promote a softer noodle before long. So use it sparingly and/or consider you may need a little AI if you push enough.

Proviron is really user-friendly; you take it daily and it will drive libido and erection strength. If you are using 50mg or more, I would split the daily dose into 2 separate servings.

I have only used Deca, 3 times now. Clearing my system as I type this. I get some softer noodle on it unless test is way higher, or I run some Masteron, which always fixes that up.

If you have Proviron, I would run that for a month or whatever. But fair warning, just discontinuing that your libido probably won’t be as strong right after, because it’s an ever-moving target anyway and you just pulled out a solid DHT. But hopefully the soft erection issue will be resolved by then.

Also, a little tadalafil for a few weeks could be a solution to the bloodflow issue, separate from libido help.

Iv got some proviron on the way should be in at the end of the week. The thing is this has last 4 months after I quit NPP. I appreciate the advice. Should I up my test after the HcG I planned on going into another cycle. Without NpP of course

 

[Hyde]

Iv got some proviron on the way should be in at the end of the week. The thing is this has last 4 months after I quit NPP. I appreciate the advice. Should I up my test after the HcG I planned on going into another cycle. Without NpP of course

I would personally try to get this sorted out first, at least for a few weeks, to have some closure. How frequently/when you return to blast is based on the timeline of your individual needs/goals/plans.

 

[Smont]

I'm gonna start this off by saying I'm not trying to offend you. I'm Just trying to make a point.

This is a perfect example of foolish and irresponsible gear use.

You ran a cycle, encountered issues that have not resolved and I stead of sorting out the issues you added tren, the steroid that causes more problems then any other steroid.

Situations like this lead to the horror stories that give steroids a bad wrap.

Your not on cruise, your on tren.

Stop the tren, go to a real trt dose of testosterone and get the problem sorted out. If dhn is truly the issue then you need dht to counter it

 

[ChanceCF]

I'm gonna start this off by saying I'm not trying to offend you. I'm Just trying to make a point.

This is a perfect example of foolish and irresponsible gear use.

You ran a cycle, encountered issues that have not resolved and I stead of sorting out the issues you added tren, the steroid that causes more problems then any other steroid.

Situations like this lead to the horror stories that give steroids a bad wrap.

Your not on cruise, your on tren.

Stop the tren, go to a real trt dose of testosterone and get the problem sorted out. If dhn is truly the issue then you need dht to counter it

Iv ran cycles of tren before I know what it does and what 40 mg will do. Or would normally do. Iv never ran Npp so I don’t know if it’s a problem with 5AR or androgen to estrogen ratio. All this makes me think it’s a progesterone related issue. I’m dropping it and waiting a month and then doing HcG with proviron

 

[ChanceCF]

Iv ran cycles of tren before I know what it does and what 40 mg will do. Or would normally do. Iv never ran Npp so I don’t know if it’s a problem with 5AR or androgen to estrogen ratio. All this makes me think it’s a progesterone related issue. I’m dropping it and waiting a month and then doing HcG with proviron

But yes I can see why you’d say it’s irresponsible

 

[klbsa]

Proviron 50 - 75 mgs a day.

 

[Smont]

But yes I can see why you’d say it’s irresponsible

Honestly, I just appreciate someone taking constructive criticism for once instead of freaking out. kudos to you sir

 

[ChanceCF]

Honestly, I just appreciate someone taking constructive criticism for once instead of freaking out. kudos to you sir

I don’t suppose you know if tren and NpP increase decrease or modulates progesterone do you?

 

[Smont]

I don’t suppose you know if tren and NpP increase decrease or modulates progesterone do you?

Npp and tren increase prolactin, prolactin has direct effects on pregnenolone so there has to be something, I think as prolactin increases pregnenolone levels lower.

I'm trying to go off memory here but I have a bunch of stuff on the topic somewhere at home.

Il try to dig it up after work. In the meantime you can probably find some info on pubmed on this topic. Just make sure your reading the fine print because a lot of info on prolactin related to pregnant women. So those findings might not directly correlate to your situation

 

[ChanceCF]

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[ChanceCF]

There is a link to my bloodwork it’s not prolactin

 

[Smont]

There is a link to my bloodwork it’s not prolactin

Your question was do npp and tren effect pregnenolone. Yes they do, but they do it through changes in prolactin

 

[Smont]

Also, how long have you been on cycle and haw many cycles have you ran. Steroids in general, especially if your on trt, over time they screw with pregnenolone and dhea.

So that could be something to take into consideration

 

[Smont]

Lots of guys need to supplement with pregnant alone in DHEA after they've been on trt for a long time

 

[Smont]

Pregnenolone*

 

[ChanceCF]

Also, how long have you been on cycle and haw many cycles have you ran. Steroids in general, especially if your on trt, over time they screw with pregnenolone and dhea.

So that could be something to take into consideration

Iv done about 4 cycles. But only this one within the last 7 years or so. And Iv been on TRT for a year. I also take DHEA and pregnenolone. And in my bloodwork prolactin is low. I took caber a few times while I was on cycle it didn’t help at all. So I think it’s DHN or something to do with progesterone. Which HcG ups that. Idk I know it’s not estrogen to androgen ratio because the tren didn’t help

 

[Smont]

Iv done about 4 cycles. But only this one within the last 7 years or so. And Iv been on TRT for a year. I also take DHEA and pregnenolone. And in my bloodwork prolactin is low. I took caber a few times while I was on cycle it didn’t help at all. So I think it’s DHN or something to do with progesterone. Which HcG ups that. Idk I know it’s not estrogen to androgen ratio because the tren didn’t help

Tren wouldn't help the estrogen to androgen ratio no matter how much tren you took. Tren actually can show up as estrogen on your bloodwork. It's weird and I don't understand it but for some ppl it's nearly impossible to crash your estrogen on tren

 

[ChanceCF]

Tren wouldn't help the estrogen to androgen ratio no matter how much tren you took. Tren actually can show up as estrogen on your bloodwork. It's weird and I don't understand it but for some ppl it's nearly impossible to crash your estrogen on tren

The bloodwork was a week before I started 40 mg of tren. I was just on 200 mg of test E a week. I thought tren with a heavy affinity to the AR would help the problem but it didn’t. I’m going to try the proviron. I think it decreases progesterone while giving you the DHT you need to over power the DHN. I hope so because I’m running out of Options lol

 

[Smont]

The bloodwork was a week before I started 40 mg of tren. I was just on 200 mg of test E a week. I thought tren with a heavy affinity to the AR would help the problem but it didn’t. I’m going to try the proviron. I think it decreases progesterone while giving you the DHT you need to over power the DHN. I hope so because I’m running out of Options lol

Don't freak out, time usually sorts these things out too.


When you guess at the problem and start throwing more drugs in the mix it just causes more problems most of the time.

 

[ChanceCF]

Don't freak out, time usually sorts these things out too.


When you guess at the problem and start throwing more drugs in the mix it just causes more problems most of the time.

Thanks bro. So proviron and HCG 2 weeks after I abandoned the tren idea is what you would go with?

 

[Hyde]

Thanks bro. So proviron and HCG 2 weeks after I abandoned the tren idea is what you would go with?

Why don’t you just try Proviron by itself first before you go blasting a bunch of estrogen into the mix with HCG?

 

[gphagan1]

Yep, I say try Proviron as well….it’s very user friendly and works!