Tongkat Ali Side Effects - Gyno

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I took Tongkat Ali (LJ100 150-300mg/day) for about 2 weeks. I felt amazing. It was clearly increasing my testosterone significantly, anecdotally no bloods but I will get some before a real cycle of it. I was loving it but felt symptoms of nipple tenderness, on-set of gyno beginning about a week in. For background, I believe I naturally have a high rate of aromatization since I developed a case of pubertal gyno during my teen years. Nothing crazy but enough for me to notice. I haven't felt any nipple sensitivity in over 10 years aside from starting the Tongkat. Of course the obvious advice is to not take it, however I received an order of Raloxifene that I planned on using to help clear up the remnants of pubertal gyno. Would it hurt taking the Tongkat during this cycle of Raloxifene since it'll be antagonizing my estrogen receptors in my chest anyway? I'll stop taking the Tongkat a full week before I plan on stopping the Ralox, just in case.

Or are there any herbs or supplements that I can use as a minor AI for someone prone to aromatization so in the future I can use something like Tongkat Ali again? I would've loved to run cycles of it every few months, ideally. Is artifically jacking up my test levels just a no-go for someone in my situation? Thanks in advance for reading my post
 
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inhibit-E - could be worth trying.

or just start your ralox in a low dose manner. I been on nootropics Depot tongkat for about a month and feel great.

I am also taking Butea, creatine - these may direct the extra test to DHT pathyway - also taking half dosing outbreak rise (E. cottonii) and M-test which may have some anti-E

+ black ginger which is also anti aromatase
 

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inhibit-E - could be worth trying.

or just start your ralox in a low dose manner. I been on nootropics Depot tongkat for about a month and feel great.

I am also taking Butea, creatine - these may direct the extra test to DHT pathyway - also taking half dosing outbreak rise (E. cottonii) and M-test which may have some anti-E

+ black ginger which is also anti aromatase
Appreciate the reply! I will be looking into and trying each of your recommendations. Is it possible that only dosing the Tongkat once in the morning could partially be the culprit? Do you dose once daily or twice, spread apart? From my understanding Tongkat should have it's own anti-e properties, but I could be incorrect. For now I will begin the ralox and a lower dose of the Tongkat compared to before. I also have ND's product now, the 2% extract, so I'm thinking of starting at 250mg a day, or the equivalent to half of a 100mg 10% capsule. I'm also 28 years old so the higher dose Tongkat I was taking might've put my levels into too high of a range for long-term sustainability in terms of aromatase without AI? All conjecture I have no idea, but I naturally don't have problems putting on muscle or cutting fat so I'm assuming it put me a bit over the top of my norm.
 
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Appreciate the reply! I will be looking into and trying each of your recommendations. Is it possible that only dosing the Tongkat once in the morning could partially be the culprit? Do you dose once daily or twice, spread apart? From my understanding Tongkat should have it's own anti-e properties, but I could be incorrect. For now I will begin the ralox and a lower dose of the Tongkat compared to before. I also have ND's product now, the 2% extract, so I'm thinking of starting at 250mg a day, or the equivalent to half of a 100mg 10% capsule. I'm also 28 years old so the higher dose Tongkat I was taking might've put my levels into too high of a range for long-term sustainability in terms of aromatase without AI? All conjecture I have no idea, but I naturally don't have problems putting on muscle or cutting mass so I'm assuming it put me a bit over the top of my norm.
just add ralox and see what happens in a week. perhaps lower tongkat dose. dont think timing matters
 

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just add ralox and see what happens in a week. perhaps lower tongkat dose. dont think timing matters
got you, thanks again man. I'll come back and give you an update for my experience with tongkat+ralox concurrently, and another one when I try my next cycle of Tongkat and some of the DHT conversion promoters/anti-e stuff you mentioned
 
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got you, thanks again man. I'll come back and give you an update for my experience with tongkat+ralox concurrently, and another one when I try my next cycle of Tongkat and some of the DHT conversion promoters/anti-e stuff you mentioned
Yes Butea definitely
 
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I agree with Barische's suggestion of taking Inhibit-E with it.

He mentioned M-Test, and I also use that as a daily use supplement.

As for the Tongkat, I would suggest lowering the dosage and seeing it that helps also. I don't think dosage timing really matters.
 

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I agree with Barische's suggestion of taking Inhibit-E with it.

He mentioned M-Test, and I also use that as a daily use supplement.

As for the Tongkat, I would suggest lowering the dosage and seeing it that helps also. I don't think dosage timing really matters.
Thanks for the input, appreciate it. Inhibit-E will be the first thing I try running with the tongkat once this ralox is gone in about a month and a half. I will let you know how it goes
 
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The Tongat lowering your shbg frees up more test to be aromatized and the lowering of shbg directly frees up some estro too. So since you're a heavy aromatizer and prone to gyno, using some mild AI is justified with shbg lowering products. Inhibit E should be a good choice for this.

If you are trying to dimish the pubertal gyno with the Ralox, the month and a half wont most likely cut it. Get more Ralox.
 
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The Tongat lowering your shbg frees up more test to be aromatized and the lowering of shbg directly frees up some estro too. So since your a heavy aromatizer and prone to gyno, using some mild AI is justified with shbg lowering products. Inhibit E should be a good choice for this.

If you are trying to dimish the pubertal gyno with the Ralox, the month and a half wont most likely cut it. Get more Ralox.
Okay thanks for the information. I'll put an order in today for the Inhibit-E and order more Ralox. I'm sitting on 1800mg ralox and planned on following a 60mg/day for 10 days then 30mg/day until it was gone. It wouldn't hurt to have more on hand, running out would make this whole process a bit of a waste.
 
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Okay thanks for the information. I'll put an order in today for the Inhibit-E and order more Ralox. I'm sitting on 1800mg ralox and planned on following a 60mg/day for 10 days then 30mg/day until it was gone. It wouldn't hurt to have more on hand, running out would make this whole process a bit of a waste.
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I was about to use Amazon but I'll order straight from the source, appreciate the sale code man
 
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I was about to use Amazon but I'll order straight from the source, appreciate the sale code man
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I took Tongkat Ali (LJ100 150-300mg/day) for about 2 weeks. I felt amazing. It was clearly increasing my testosterone significantly, anecdotally no bloods but I will get some before a real cycle of it. I was loving it but felt symptoms of nipple tenderness, on-set of gyno beginning about a week in. For background, I believe I naturally have a high rate of aromatization since I developed a case of pubertal gyno during my teen years. Nothing crazy but enough for me to notice. I haven't felt any nipple sensitivity in over 10 years aside from starting the Tongkat. Of course the obvious advice is to not take it, however I received an order of Raloxifene that I planned on using to help clear up the remnants of pubertal gyno. Would it hurt taking the Tongkat during this cycle of Raloxifene since it'll be antagonizing my estrogen receptors in my chest anyway? I'll stop taking the Tongkat a full week before I plan on stopping the Ralox, just in case.

Or are there any herbs or supplements that I can use as a minor AI for someone prone to aromatization so in the future I can use something like Tongkat Ali again? I would've loved to run cycles of it every few months, ideally. Is artifically jacking up my test levels just a no-go for someone in my situation? Thanks in advance for reading my post
How did this end up going? I’m in the same boat and was thinking about doing a tongkat cycle with ralox
 
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How did this end up going? I’m in the same boat and was thinking about doing a tongkat cycle with ralox
for me too much of high eurycomanone (10%) Tongkat led to low estrogen. i didnt get that effect with 2%. i also wasnt more bloated or much different in estrogen with 2%. I took tongkat for about 6 months consistently which was a life saver with my 2nd child born - less sleep/stress. I am now cycling it with m-test. from labs i have seen tongkat is unlikely to result in higher estrogen unless unbound estrogen from shbg is the cause then detoxification of estrogen pathways is the way to go.
 
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for me too much of high eurycomanone (10%) Tongkat led to low estrogen. i didnt get that effect with 2%. i also wasnt more bloated or much different in estrogen with 2%. I took tongkat for about 6 months consistently which was a life saver with my 2nd child born - less sleep/stress. I am now cycling it with m-test. from labs i have seen tongkat is unlikely to result in higher estrogen unless unbound estrogen from shbg is the cause then detoxification of estrogen pathways is the way to go.
I have had great results from Black Lion Research's "Letrone" for a natural AI (shrinking and stopping gno). Also look into their "Prolacterone" or Inhibit-P as the reason you are prone may have to do with having high Prolactin levels from stress/ high cortisol - not just an test v estro problem.
 
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I have had great results from Black Lion Research's "Letrone" for a natural AI (shrinking and stopping gno). Also look into their "Prolacterone" or Inhibit-P as the reason you are prone may have to do with having high Prolactin levels from stress/ high cortisol - not just an test v estro problem.
their letrone, viron, rebirth is overpriced in my opinion. Tongkat is not standardized. Much cheaper E n P control products out there.
 

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their letrone, viron, rebirth is overpriced in my opinion. Tongkat is not standardized. Much cheaper E n P control products out there.
I think it is standardized, but it’s proprietary, so it isn’t disclosed on the label. I think.
 
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their letrone, viron, rebirth is overpriced in my opinion. Tongkat is not standardized. Much cheaper E n P control products out there.
Agree with you there are cheaper options, just "feel" the Black Lion supps more than most alternatives. Going off of "feel" isn't exactly scientific, but this has been my experience as a customer, so Ive been okay with the premium.
Their Mucuna & green tea extract sup is out of production, what other companies would you recommend I check out?
 
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Agree with you there are cheaper options, just "feel" the Black Lion supps more than most alternatives. Going off of "feel" isn't exactly scientific, but this has been my experience as a customer, so Ive been okay with the premium.
Their Mucuna & green tea extract sup is out of production, what other companies would you recommend I check out?
SNS Inhibit-P is popular.
 

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