TomCat's H-Drol Diarrhea...
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TimberLakers
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Sometimes you're just frustrating because you... well... you know why.
If I really hated anyone - I wouldn't continue to post on their threads.
If I really hated anyone - I wouldn't continue to post on their threads.
thundergod
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It's sounds like love is in the air up in here. I see flying ponies and dragonflies everywhere and everyone is sh!tting rainbows!! It's beautiful. 
I like the way TomCat handled that intruder. :lol: Way to go TC!! :head:
I like the way TomCat handled that intruder. :lol: Way to go TC!! :head:
TimberLakers
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Yeah, f*ck that fool.. Tryin to run up in here takin my job n sh*t.
KgTomCat
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yea...:wtf:, but seriously...:toofunny:
MATTYO1977
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Ktomcat,
I've been following along for this entire thing but have never commented until now.
I have just finished my h-drol run and had a problem with the back pumps as well. Like you said, so bad that you can't continue some movements. I never found a real cure for them even though I would eat Taurine, up to 10 g/day.
If you find another route to make those pumps relent could you please share?
Other wise, enjoy the ride. I was happy with the results that i got.
I've been following along for this entire thing but have never commented until now.
I have just finished my h-drol run and had a problem with the back pumps as well. Like you said, so bad that you can't continue some movements. I never found a real cure for them even though I would eat Taurine, up to 10 g/day.
If you find another route to make those pumps relent could you please share?
Other wise, enjoy the ride. I was happy with the results that i got.
thundergod
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A couple of bananas per day (potassium) and lots and lots of water help more than taurine does IMO. Back pumps are usually from slight dehydration, so it's more like kidney pains.
MATTYO1977
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Thanks for the info TG.
I was a potassium hog as well as getting in about a gallon and a half of water a day. If I did anything that indirectly hit the lower back it was terrible!
So I don't know what my deal was. Maybe more sensitive to that. I was peeing up a storm and it still didn't matter.
So I took in the Taurine and all that other stuff to try and make it bareable. It was but I had to be careful. My only real complaint from H-drol.
I was a potassium hog as well as getting in about a gallon and a half of water a day. If I did anything that indirectly hit the lower back it was terrible!
So I don't know what my deal was. Maybe more sensitive to that. I was peeing up a storm and it still didn't matter.
So I took in the Taurine and all that other stuff to try and make it bareable. It was but I had to be careful. My only real complaint from H-drol.
TimberLakers
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I loved the back pumps... but I'm not right.
thundergod
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Me too. :twisted: And you know I think some of it is more like lower back muscle pain as people are usually lifting heavier and harder when on-cycle. Just my opinion. I get "back pumps" off-cycle too. It's from hard work! :thumbsup:
KgTomCat
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I increased my water intake last night and today, and I stretched alot...I feel fine today
KgTomCat
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TimberLakers
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Yeah... I also had two days where the shoulder pumps were so bad - that I couldn't drink out of my cup... Had to use the drinking fountain.
It was awesome. :lol:
GMG760
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Jesus Timber, you have like 10,000 f*cking rep points. You're like a celebrity around here.
A celebrity on late night VH1 reality TV, but a celebrity nonetheless. :lol:
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TimberLakers
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:head: I'm flattered...
thundergod
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You're all stars in this freak-show!! :head:
MATTYO1977
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kgTomCat,
I ran a 50 for the first 3 weeks then a 75mg/day for the last 2.
It did take until that week 3 time for the results to start happening. Then I was getting great pumps and was hardening up a bit. The recovery between sets was greatly increased as well as between workouts. My strength was going up throughout the 4th and 5th weeks as well. I was hitting some nice PR's and feeling like I could work the same body part the next day.
I am in PCT now but got a bit of a twinge in my pec so I have dropped the weights down for press movements. Its in my head since I was making so much progress.
My PCT was standard. I chose the OTC method with post cycle therapy and then lean extreme at day 14 and 6oxo at 21 on a 3/2/1 basis. I'm feeling good now with no issues to report.
And as far as weight gain or whatever I was on a pretty calorie resticted program before that so I was lighter than normal. When I started I upped the protein and the good stuff so I gained around 10 pounds or so.
But overall I enjoyed the experience. It was a good first choice for me and I may come back to it in the future. Just the back pumps were an issue. felt like I was doing hyperextensions all the time. but those have gone away not even a week into PCT, knock on wood.
Keep up the good work. I'm following along for sure.
I ran a 50 for the first 3 weeks then a 75mg/day for the last 2.
It did take until that week 3 time for the results to start happening. Then I was getting great pumps and was hardening up a bit. The recovery between sets was greatly increased as well as between workouts. My strength was going up throughout the 4th and 5th weeks as well. I was hitting some nice PR's and feeling like I could work the same body part the next day.
I am in PCT now but got a bit of a twinge in my pec so I have dropped the weights down for press movements. Its in my head since I was making so much progress.
My PCT was standard. I chose the OTC method with post cycle therapy and then lean extreme at day 14 and 6oxo at 21 on a 3/2/1 basis. I'm feeling good now with no issues to report.
And as far as weight gain or whatever I was on a pretty calorie resticted program before that so I was lighter than normal. When I started I upped the protein and the good stuff so I gained around 10 pounds or so.
But overall I enjoyed the experience. It was a good first choice for me and I may come back to it in the future. Just the back pumps were an issue. felt like I was doing hyperextensions all the time. but those have gone away not even a week into PCT, knock on wood.
Keep up the good work. I'm following along for sure.
MATTYO1977
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T-Lake,
I had those shoulder pumps where shaving for work was a chore. I'd have to stretch and rest between shaves. Fun times.
But you aren't right so I'm not surprised that you loved that torture. You or T-God. You guys are the freak all star leaders here. And that is a good thing.
I had those shoulder pumps where shaving for work was a chore. I'd have to stretch and rest between shaves. Fun times.
But you aren't right so I'm not surprised that you loved that torture. You or T-God. You guys are the freak all star leaders here. And that is a good thing.
KgTomCat
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Some of yall might not like this, but I talked to my mad scientist and we both agreed on this...I have been gaining nicely, but I still have some noticeable fat in the mid-section. Im adding in Methyl Masterdrol V2 XL, and also goin to add in Methyl 1-D (which is the same thing as DHEA) I will run the Masterdrol V2 for the last 2 weeks of my cycle, the Methyl 1-D I will run for the last 2 weeks of my cycle and end the first week of my PCT, Ill be adding in the 6OXO in the 3rd week 300/200/200/100 also.
GMG760
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If Methyl 1-D is DHEA, then why the f*ck are you gonna pay that much for it?
How many times have you changed your mind on this cycle?
TimberLakers
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Its not DHEA...
From Bodybuilding Science:
Methyl-1-D is the latest creation of the Legal Gear company. It is billed as a "hormonal optimizer" and metabolism booster and has several main ingredients, including metabolites of testosterone. Let's begin, as we always do, but examining the effectiveness of the main ingredients of Methyl-1-D. The bottle lists the active ingredients by their full scientific nomenclature. Maybe it’s to fool the FDA; maybe it’s to fool you. The hormonal optimizer ingredients are 1,4,6-etioallocholan-dione, 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-5-ene-17-one, and Zinc Asparate. Now, these scientific nomenclatures may be confusing, in fact, I believe they are meant to be confusing. Let’s start with the first one.
There is not much information on 1,4,6-etioallocholan-dione. I was only able to find a single scholarly article referencing it, and I have good new for those of you who miss Andro, and were too late to get M1-A. Apparently, etioallocholan, when properly modified, is a precursor to Androsterone, which is a precursor of testosterone. The chemical pathway isn't as direct as it was with Methyl-1-Alpha, but it’s still effective. There is really a lack of information with this chemical so users beware, but with its association with Andro, you can likely expect similar effects and side effects. On to the next component, 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-5-ene-17-one. Quite a mouth full. What do we know about this chemical? As you have probably noticed, it has the same base as the previous ingredient etioallocholan. I believe this is simply another preparation of that particular supplement. This is good because it contains two pathways to the same chemical. These are both small modifications of etioallocholan, which allow the body to absorb it more efficiently and eventually transform it into Andro. The last ingredient is Zinc Aspertane. This is basically a harmless supplement thought to support testosterone production. It’s nothing new, it can be found in various quantities in hundreds of testosterone support products. Its effects are well established, but minimal.
Methyl-1-D also has three ingredients that are supposed to boost you metabolism and help you burn some fat. These 3 ingredients are Quercetin, Beta Sitosterol, and milk thistle. Quercetin does have a wide range of health benefits and has been shown to break down fat cells in Petri dishes. However, this doesn't necessary translate into actual fat loss. While Beta Sitosterol won't do much to help you burn fat, it has been shown to help lower cholesterol. A good additive to counteract the typical rises in blood pressure and cholesterol associated with a testosterone increase. The final "metabolism booster" is milk thistle. This is another common herbal cholesterol reducer. I guess listing these ingredients as metabolism boosters looks more attractive to the average bodybuilding consumer than
"heart support", but it’s definitely not a bad thing.
Sounds like an unnecessary complication. I would advise no.
From Bodybuilding Science:
Methyl-1-D is the latest creation of the Legal Gear company. It is billed as a "hormonal optimizer" and metabolism booster and has several main ingredients, including metabolites of testosterone. Let's begin, as we always do, but examining the effectiveness of the main ingredients of Methyl-1-D. The bottle lists the active ingredients by their full scientific nomenclature. Maybe it’s to fool the FDA; maybe it’s to fool you. The hormonal optimizer ingredients are 1,4,6-etioallocholan-dione, 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-5-ene-17-one, and Zinc Asparate. Now, these scientific nomenclatures may be confusing, in fact, I believe they are meant to be confusing. Let’s start with the first one.
There is not much information on 1,4,6-etioallocholan-dione. I was only able to find a single scholarly article referencing it, and I have good new for those of you who miss Andro, and were too late to get M1-A. Apparently, etioallocholan, when properly modified, is a precursor to Androsterone, which is a precursor of testosterone. The chemical pathway isn't as direct as it was with Methyl-1-Alpha, but it’s still effective. There is really a lack of information with this chemical so users beware, but with its association with Andro, you can likely expect similar effects and side effects. On to the next component, 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-5-ene-17-one. Quite a mouth full. What do we know about this chemical? As you have probably noticed, it has the same base as the previous ingredient etioallocholan. I believe this is simply another preparation of that particular supplement. This is good because it contains two pathways to the same chemical. These are both small modifications of etioallocholan, which allow the body to absorb it more efficiently and eventually transform it into Andro. The last ingredient is Zinc Aspertane. This is basically a harmless supplement thought to support testosterone production. It’s nothing new, it can be found in various quantities in hundreds of testosterone support products. Its effects are well established, but minimal.
Methyl-1-D also has three ingredients that are supposed to boost you metabolism and help you burn some fat. These 3 ingredients are Quercetin, Beta Sitosterol, and milk thistle. Quercetin does have a wide range of health benefits and has been shown to break down fat cells in Petri dishes. However, this doesn't necessary translate into actual fat loss. While Beta Sitosterol won't do much to help you burn fat, it has been shown to help lower cholesterol. A good additive to counteract the typical rises in blood pressure and cholesterol associated with a testosterone increase. The final "metabolism booster" is milk thistle. This is another common herbal cholesterol reducer. I guess listing these ingredients as metabolism boosters looks more attractive to the average bodybuilding consumer than
"heart support", but it’s definitely not a bad thing.
Sounds like an unnecessary complication. I would advise no.
Craigmatthew
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use the K.I.S.S method here man!
TimberLakers
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Keep it Stupid Sally?
Craigmatthew
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haha more like, Keep It Simple Sucka!
IronBear
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dont forget about my proposition Bomb
thundergod
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Very impressive numbers here. You're one strong cat, Tom!! :clap2:
Craigmatthew
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yeah those are damn impressive numbers! Man i feel weak!
TimberLakers
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For most people, H-Drol is pretty dry - and can result in some fat loss. I think I was eating everything that wasn't cardboard, which is why I didn't cut...
But since you are eating pretty clean and working hard - this cycle might end up being a recomp. If that makes you upset, go eat some freakin pancakes, and quit looking at the scale like a little girl.
But since you are eating pretty clean and working hard - this cycle might end up being a recomp. If that makes you upset, go eat some freakin pancakes, and quit looking at the scale like a little girl.
KgTomCat
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once again, the great words of wisdom and motivation of T-LakeFor most people, H-Drol is pretty dry - and can result in some fat loss. I think I was eating everything that wasn't cardboard, which is why I didn't cut...
But since you are eating pretty clean and working hard - this cycle might end up being a recomp. If that makes you upset, go eat some freakin pancakes, and quit looking at the scale like a little girl.
:frustrate
IronBear
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LS lol when are you lifting next? I was thinkin about doing an arm workout later on
GMG760
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MMV2 is great, you don't need it on Hdrol though.
I am taking MMV2 right now... its encapsulated rage. Makes me really, really edgy. I feel like I could rip someone's throat out like 10 times a day. Great for the gym, bad for personal relationships. At least that's how it effects me.
KgTomCat
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that wut Im hearing. How do u dose it? Im thinking 2 in the morning and 2 pre-WO
TimberLakers
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I think its all PWO dude, but I've never used it.
IronBear
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bomb, the last thing you need is more rage... lol
KgTomCat
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I thought MMV2 was to aid in fat burning? I was told to take it pre WO...
thundergod
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It's not FOR fat-burning per se, but it will encourage lean muscle mass only, as it is also a "dry" hormonal compound. If you're eating very clean, you will lean out on this product. But it is mainly for pre-workout aggression and strength. You really don't need it for this cycle though. Wait until after your PCT and then consider a MMV2 only run. You'll love it. Then you could do a short PCT for it with Formadrol (LG's PCT product). :thumbsup:
thundergod
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So you're in another MMV2 run, huh? Sounds delicious!! How many are you taking before you train? I've got a brand new bottle looking at me from inside the stash drawer. I might have to break it out after this PCT. While it is hormonal, it is only mildly suppressive. And it is non-methylated, so I don't really count it as a "cycle" in my book. But that shizz is a whole lotta fun to take!! Get's me in the zone for real!! :head::aargh:
GMG760
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Yea, I wanted to wait on the Mdrol, so I found it to be a good compound to get me through the wait of that first "itch" I had to start another real run so close to my first. It didn't suppress me at all when I did a 6 weeker of MMV2 and M1D, I had NO side effects other than the aggression. I am dosing it pretty mildly, I dose 3 caps ED. 1 in the morning, and 2 PWO. If its an off day, one in the morning, mid-day and evening. I am getting the same hardening and vascularity that I did on 4 caps a day, and I feel even more aggitated this time around. But its working wonders, I really like this compound as far as good vs bad qualities, I would think it's only competition would be 3-AD, which is like 20 bucks more expensive.
KgTomCat
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Im running it for the last 2 weeks of my cycle, 1 week of PCT, bring that right into the 6OXO, then when my PCT is over, prob run it again. I never knew about it until now...:frustrate
Ive reached my amount of mass, surprisingly, so I figured Id try to lean out a lil more on cycle, I gained too much fat from my last bulk, I hope the MMV2 stacked with the Hdrol with do so...then after PCT get shreddeddd!:bb2:
thundergod
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I don't believe I would do all that!! You're gonna run it 3 weeks now, then again after PCT?! It is hormonal even if it is somewhat mild. Doesn't mean it's skittles dude. I would wait until after PCT and do a run of it. It'll give you something to enhance your workouts beyond PCT. But MMV2 is NOT a natty substance Tom.
thundergod
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If you've already started taking them, then skip my last post. Just don't run it again after PCT. You need to let your system recover for a while before running something else. Trust me, it'll just make it more effective for you.