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Hey fellas new here. 32 years old have been blasting and cruising for about 6 years now. Ran a good amount of stuff. Looking to stay current weight, maybe even lean bulk, but drop a little bf. Currently sitting around 12 percent. Havnt ran tren since 5 years and only tren e and honestly don't remember much of it haha.

For this summer was thinking of doing the holy trinity test mast tren.

But now as I'm older wondering if tren is worth it? Work a physical labor job outside so that's something to think about as well. Just not sure the possible sides outweigh the benefits.

Could possible just do test and mast although I have never run those two soley together and hear mixed reviews on it. Maybe add an oral?

Looking to look good and feel good this summer. Any suggestions I'd hreatly appreciate it!
 

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Eff it just blast tren!!! Lol.. for real tho the job would concern me depending on how much sides you get I work 10-12 hour warehouse shifts and those sides would be brutal I've done it during winter when work isn't as tough and its way more manageable just my .02
 

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Eff it just blast tren!!! Lol.. for real tho the job would concern me depending on how much sides you get I work 10-12 hour warehouse shifts and those sides would be brutal I've done it during winter when work isn't as tough and its way more manageable just my .02
Haha I feel you man. Muly ugl has a cut stack. Of mast p test p tren a 50mg each. Was thinking of just doing low doses
Say 125mg to 150mgs a week I think would be good.

Thing is I'm currently on 300 test e 300 mast e 300 npp. Holding more water than I'd like on the npp so want to drop it. But switching form long esters to short esters would that be a problem. Or just drop the long stuff and start the cut stack right away.

But yea hoping 150mgs tren a week won't hit my cardio too hard.
 
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If tren bothers your cardio, then throw in 20mgs of cardarine ED.

On the topic of Tren, I will say this. I am willing to bet I have used tren more then most people on this forum during my career and competing.

I am firmly against Tren because of my experiences and those of my clients. It can cause depression, anxiety, paranoia and def can mess with brain chemicals, during and after cessation.

"IF" you are one of the people who gets sides they can be brutal. Insomnia, gyno, night sweats, tren cough, anger, irritability, ED, loss of libido, etc, etc.

On the positive note, nothing compares to tren. You can see changes to your physique literally daily and it can make you look like a super hero very fast compared to other AAS. Some people get huge libido increases on it.

It really varies, but I will say the majority of my clients who use it get negatives. Don't forget tren cough. Not fun at all.

My vote is a No.

I use NPP and say DHT aka var combo in clients instead. Much safer and you can get a slightly similar style result.

If you do use tren, stay low. Even 50mgs eod IMO.
 

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If tren bothers your cardio, then throw in 20mgs of cardarine ED.

On the topic of Tren, I will say this. I am willing to bet I have used tren more then most people on this forum during my career and competing.

I am firmly against Tren because of my experiences and those of my clients. It can cause depression, anxiety, paranoia and def can mess with brain chemicals, during and after cessation.

"IF" you are one of the people who gets sides they can be brutal. Insomnia, gyno, night sweats, tren cough, anger, irritability, ED, loss of libido, etc, etc.

On the positive note, nothing compares to tren. You can see changes to your physique literally daily and it can make you look like a super hero very fast compared to other AAS. Some people get huge libido increases on it.

It really varies, but I will say the majority of my clients who use it get negatives. Don't forget tren cough. Not fun at all.

My vote is a No.

I use NPP and say DHT aka var combo in clients instead. Much safer and you can get a slightly similar style result.

If you do use tren, stay low. Even 50mgs eod IMO.
Thanks man a lot of good information there. If I do run it I have it in a cut stack. 50mgs of mast test and tren each so was thinking between 100mg and 150mgs a week for each. Currently on test 300 mast 300 and npp 200 but notice the npp I'm carry a bit of water regardless of diet and cardio.

You think I'm better of just running test and mast or you think the low dose cut stack shouldn't be too harsh?m
 
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Thanks man a lot of good information there. If I do run it I have it in a cut stack. 50mgs of mast test and tren each so was thinking between 100mg and 150mgs a week for each. Currently on test 300 mast 300 and npp 200 but notice the npp I'm carry a bit of water regardless of diet and cardio.

You think I'm better of just running test and mast or you think the low dose cut stack shouldn't be too harsh?m
You can always try the low dose tren and see how you respond. If you see sides immediately treat them if you can. For instance watch your Prolactin, etc. Watch for anger, depression, moods, etc.

Really hard to alleviate those sides though. Good luck whatever you choose!
 

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You can always try the low dose tren and see how you respond. If you see sides immediately treat them if you can. For instance watch your Prolactin, etc. Watch for anger, depression, moods, etc.

Really hard to alleviate those sides though. Good luck whatever you choose!
So I'm switching from long esters to short esters. Say I do the tren stack for 3 weeks and come off due to sides. I only have test and mast individually in long ester form. Is it ok to just jump back on those after being down with the tren
 

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You can always try the low dose tren and see how you respond. If you see sides immediately treat them if you can. For instance watch your Prolactin, etc. Watch for anger, depression, moods, etc.

Really hard to alleviate those sides though. Good luck whatever you choose!
The mental stuff I can usually deal with it more so of the physical health part. Is it really harsh on the heart?
 
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The mental stuff I can usually deal with it more so of the physical health part. Is it really harsh on the heart?
There are studies that show improvements and their are studies that show negative correlation. So I don't know if it's possible that I can answer you accurately

My assumption is it will be individual.

Of course watch for increased BP, that's never a good thing, right?


Negative study:
 

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There are studies that show improvements and their are studies that show negative correlation. So I don't know if it's possible that I can answer you accurately

My assumption is it will be individual.

Of course watch for increased BP, that's never a good thing, right?


Negative study:
Thanks man ill def give those a read. What's the lowest dose you would run the 3 at but still make it be worth it. It's all in one vial so dosing sucks cause they mostly need to be dosed at equal amounts
 
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"Looking to stay current weight, maybe even lean bulk, but drop a little bf "

that’s a little confusing. You’re either looking to drop BF, or be in a calorie surplus and slowly increase weight and hopefully build muscle at the same time. Can’t do everything at the same time
 
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Haha I feel you man. Muly ugl has a cut stack. Of mast p test p tren a 50mg each. Was thinking of just doing low doses
Say 125mg to 150mgs a week I think would be good.

Thing is I'm currently on 300 test e 300 mast e 300 npp. Holding more water than I'd like on the npp so want to drop it. But switching form long esters to short esters would that be a problem. Or just drop the long stuff and start the cut stack right away.

But yea hoping 150mgs tren a week won't hit my cardio too hard.
Those pre made stacks are garbage, your stuck at whatever doses they provide, you can't adjust anything individually, and a few years back someone tested a bunch of gear from all the major brands and it was always the blends that were off. The mix almost always had more test then listed, less tren then listed and many of them had no masteron at all
 
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"Looking to stay current weight, maybe even lean bulk, but drop a little bf "

that’s a little confusing. You’re either looking to drop BF, or be in a calorie surplus and slowly increase weight and hopefully build muscle at the same time. Can’t do everything at the same time
That's because everyone is looking for the Lean mass cutting bulk cycle.
 

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Those pre made stacks are garbage, your stuck at whatever doses they provide, you can't adjust anything individually, and a few years back someone tested a bunch of gear from all the major brands and it was always the blends that were off. The mix almost always had more test then listed, less tren then listed and many of them had no masteron at all
I got loadssss of them though and been using this source for 7 plus years. So hopefully it's decent. But yea not being able to play around with doses sucks bit makes it very convenient for me
 

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I know two guys running tren cycles currently, both in their late 30s. One of them is a nasty SOB to be around, it completely changed him because one moment he is decent to be around then a light switch goes off and he is nuts. The other guy is doing fine, complains about insomnia because he is sweating at night and cardio is way down.

That being said, there is little that will get you into beast mode faster from what I can tell. Aesthetically they quickly went from pretty big, defined guys to shredded monsters. The delts on both of them blew up more than anything else.

I guess it would come down to your goals. For me, it doesn't seem worth it.
 
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TELMISARTAN and EZETIMIBE to have during the cycle is a must.

I’m currently on test, mast, tren. All low doses and I inject daily. 200 test e, 160 mast, 100 tren a week.

Great results and no nasty tren sides with that low dosage.
 
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Telmisartan should be used year round for anyone running gear most of the year and specifically for people blast and cruising. Game changer, life saver. Amazing all the general health benefits it provides. Good call
 
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Telmisartan should be used year round for anyone running gear most of the year and specifically for people blast and cruising. Game changer, life saver. Amazing all the general health benefits it provides. Good call
Yes!!!! I’ve started using TELMISARTAN for the past few months. Definitely a staple going forward for our health.
 
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Love my Teli! Best support I’ve ever implemented, period. Can’t believe the difference it makes in water retention, nvm bp control.

Why not just add Var to the current stack for 8 weeks or something?

Tren is cheap AF. If you have any buddies you could trade the cut stack with, I’d try to do so so you can control the dosing properly.
 

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TELMISARTAN and EZETIMIBE to have during the cycle is a must.

I’m currently on test, mast, tren. All low doses and I inject daily. 200 test e, 160 mast, 100 tren a week.

Great results and no nasty tren sides with that low dosage.
You like it manm running 150 of each so hoping low sides as well. How is your cardio. I'm excited and also nervous haha. After watching some youtubes and people saying how dangerous it can be it makes me nervous. Like what if I have an underlying heart condition or something I never knew about and drop dead!? Haha
 
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You like it manm running 150 of each so hoping low sides as well. How is your cardio. I'm excited and also nervous haha. After watching some youtubes and people saying how dangerous it can be it makes me nervous. Like what if I have an underlying heart condition or something I never knew about and drop dead!? Haha
I’m running tren at 100 mgs weekly. Cardio is not affected one bit due to the low dosage.
 

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Love my Teli! Best support I’ve ever implemented, period. Can’t believe the difference it makes in water retention, nvm bp control.

Why not just add Var to the current stack for 8 weeks or something?

Tren is cheap AF. If you have any buddies you could trade the cut stack with, I’d try to do so so you can control the dosing properly.
True would make it way easier. What's less harsh on body organ and lipids? 150mg tren vs 300 npp
 

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Vanity comes with a price...
If I made my living from my bodies performance and was not married with kids I'd run it. But I'm not putting my loved ones through hell for vanity. **** makes you crazy imo bro. I vote no if you're not trading health for $ and advancing in a sport.
 

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Vanity comes with a price...
If I made my living from my bodies performance and was not married with kids I'd run it. But I'm not putting my loved ones through hell for vanity. **** makes you crazy imo bro. I vote no if you're not trading health for $ and advancing in a sport.
That stuff I can control don't really have a problem with that. It's more health wise that concerns me and the decrease in cardio. Just not sure 150mgs would be a somewhat safe dose.
 
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Vanity comes with a price...
If I made my living from my bodies performance and was not married with kids I'd run it. But I'm not putting my loved ones through hell for vanity. **** makes you crazy imo bro. I vote no if you're not trading health for $ and advancing in a sport.
I love when people say this. The truth is steroids, test, whatever and even more so tren only enhance what you already are. It only makes it apparent and harder to hide. As we are we learn to hide / control sides of us. I personally am a very impatient person and tren only makes me more impatient. Not more violent, not more crazy, I’m the same guy just less patient. A friend of mine is the coolest more lovable person and earth and 600mg of tren he’s still the most lovable person on earth. Point is if you’re a dick or an asshole sure tren will make you crazier. It’s not the drugs fault you’re already a dick. Time to stop blaming steroids
 

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I love when people say this. The truth is steroids, test, whatever and even more so tren only enhance what you already are. It only makes it apparent and harder to hide. As we are we learn to hide / control sides of us. I personally am a very impatient person and tren only makes me more impatient. Not more violent, not more crazy, I’m the same guy just less patient. A friend of mine is the coolest more lovable person and earth and 600mg of tren he’s still the most lovable person on earth. Point is if you’re a dick or an asshole sure tren will make you crazier. It’s not the drugs fault you’re already a dick. Time to stop blaming steroids
Seem like a kowledgeable guy so gonna ask you. Debating on 150 test mast tren vs just 250 to 300 mg test with 300 mast. Full time firefighter so don't want to be in jeopardy health wise. Would that low dose of tren be relatively safe or just stick with the mast?
 
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True would make it way easier. What's less harsh on body organ and lipids? 150mg tren vs 300 npp
It’s not really measurable like that bro. Also… one round you could be doing 400 test 300 npp and bloodworks be perfect, no damage on blood pressure , cholesterol is good and 8 months later you run the exact same cycle and this time it fucks you up hard. Even tho it’s not really measurable if u had to choose one I would say npp at 300 is probably less harmful than tren at whatever dose. Even tho I think at these dosages they’re both pretty safe unless abused. Npp key is control prolactin and estrogen to avoid sides and avoid BP rising. Same thing for tren but even more importantly with tren just don’t run it too long. Honestly only reason I see a reason to run tren is for competing so adding it 4-8 weeks out will give you a specific look or in a strongman meet. In real life just running tren for 1) gains there’s better options less harmful and just as good at building tissue and if 2) you’re running it for the look it gives when you’re low body fat something like test masteron EQ anavar will give you very very very similar look at not even high doses and yet way less toxic to your heart and general health markers.
 
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Seem like a kowledgeable guy so gonna ask you. Debating on 150 test mast tren vs just 250 to 300 mg test with 300 mast. Full time firefighter so don't want to be in jeopardy health wise. Would that low dose of tren be relatively safe or just stick with the mast?
Assuming you’re healthy, general health markers are good, i don’t see tren at low dose being very dangerous for you unless you abuse it and run it long term and several time a year. I’d like to know why you want to run it? Will be easier for me to give you an honest answer
 

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It’s not really measurable like that bro. Also… one round you could be doing 400 test 300 npp and bloodworks be perfect, no damage on blood pressure , cholesterol is good and 8 months later you run the exact same cycle and this time it fucks you up hard. Even tho it’s not really measurable if u had to choose one I would say npp at 300 is probably less harmful than tren at whatever dose. Even tho I think at these dosages they’re both pretty safe unless abused. Npp key is control prolactin and estrogen to avoid sides and avoid BP rising. Same thing for tren but even more importantly with tren just don’t run it too long. Honestly only reason I see a reason to run tren is for competing so adding it 4-8 weeks out will give you a specific look or in a strongman meet. In real life just running tren for 1) gains there’s better options less harmful and just as good at building tissue and if 2) you’re running it for the look it gives when you’re low body fat something like test masteron EQ anavar will give you very very very similar look at not even high doses and yet way less toxic to your heart and general health markers.
Thanks man appreciate it. Think I'm just gonna go woth test and mast and throw var in at the end. Is something like 250 test 300 mast good place to start?

I also been all over the place these first 2 weeks. Started with test c 300 mast e 300 npp 200. Did that for 2 weeks. This week dropped the npp and switched to a cut stack of test p mast p tren a 150 mgs each. Only pinned 50mgs of each yesterday. Don't think I want to run tren so going to go back to just test and mast. Is it alright playing around with all these. I think I'll be good now though haha.
 
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True would make it way easier. What's less harsh on body organ and lipids? 150mg tren vs 300 npp
The answer is always “it depends”.

Depends on how you respond to them individually, to a degree, as well as what else you are using with it (test dosage & amount of estrogen with them will change effects). I mean if Tren jacks your blood pressure harder than NPP, that’s a “you” contingency isn’t it?

People often run NPP longer than Tren, so that says something. Tren is known for some rough sides that NPP isn’t (heartburn, anger increase, insomnia).

I don’t see how you expect to go from 900mg/wk currently down to 450 total mg of a cut stack & think you’re going to see some big anabolic shift while cutting half your mg out.
 

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The answer is always “it depends”.

Depends on how you respond to them individually, to a degree, as well as what else you are using with it (test dosage & amount of estrogen with them will change effects). I mean if Tren jacks your blood pressure harder than NPP, that’s a “you” contingency isn’t it?

People often run NPP longer than Tren, so that says something. Tren is known for some rough sides that NPP isn’t (heartburn, anger increase, insomnia).

I don’t see how you expect to go from 900mg/wk currently down to 450 total mg of a cut stack & think you’re going to see some big anabolic shift while cutting half your mg out.
Dumping the npp. Don't want any water. Seem to always hold a bit. Sticking with either that cut stack but its 150mgs of each a week. So low dose. Or 250 test and 300 mast finish with var or tbol.
 

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Assuming you’re healthy, general health markers are good, i don’t see tren at low dose being very dangerous for you unless you abuse it and run it long term and several time a year. I’d like to know why you want to run it? Will be easier for me to give you an honest answer
Just want to look and feel good for the summer haha that's pretty much it. Just that alpha feeling on it to is awesome
 
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Just want to look and feel good for the summer haha that's pretty much it. Just that alpha feeling on it to is awesome
I wouldn't run tren for that reason. Hell if you run 400mg test and 400mg Mast you should feel like dynamite and have no issues looking good.

That's the combo I can't wait to jump back on. I've ran test alone twice and test/mast once. Way better with the Masteron. LOL!
 

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Imo having used tren... Don't tren, the mental health and physical side effects ain't worth it. Also steroids are showing more and more to deteriorate brain function, tren being amongst the worst. Test/mast/primo will do a good job. I've you can't afford primo, just run low dose epistane or var for more muscle building/hardness
 

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Imo having used tren... Don't tren, the mental health and physical side effects ain't worth it. Also steroids are showing more and more to deteriorate brain function, tren being amongst the worst. Test/mast/primo will do a good job. I've you can't afford primo, just run low dose epistane or var for more muscle building/hardness
Damn even at 150mgs
 

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I'd never run it again any dose after they discovered tren causes brain damage associated with Alzheimer's
Hmm true prob not worth it then. Stick woth the test mast and var. Have you ever ran those together never ran mast alone with test. How long should I run the var for. Plan on doing test and mast 12 weeks
 

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Hmm true prob not worth it then. Stick woth the test mast and var. Have you ever ran those together never ran mast alone with test. How long should I run the var for. Plan on doing test and mast 12 weeks
I would run the var the entire cycle, it's not a harsh steroid(accept maybe on your cholesterol)
 
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Hmm true prob not worth it then. Stick woth the test mast and var. Have you ever ran those together never ran mast alone with test. How long should I run the var for. Plan on doing test and mast 12 weeks
As a second opinion, I’d run Var ~8 weeks on the back side of your 12 weeks of test & mast.
 
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