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how is EAS? i'm not sure why but i never gave them a try, just thought they were some walmart bs.
 
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I haven't tried Arez but I've read about it so perhaps I'll give it a go and then compare.
 
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I haven't tried Arez but I've read about it so perhaps I'll give it a go and then compare.
I have a tub of this. I haven’t tried a ton of preworkouts with strong stim profiles but this sh!t is insane....I’ve never done crack but I’d imagine it’s similar. Shakes and couldn’t sit still for HOURS.

That was taking 1 full scoop, it’d start with 1/2.
 
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I have a tub of this. I haven’t tried a ton of preworkouts with strong stim profiles but this sh!t is insane....I’ve never done crack but I’d imagine it’s similar. Shakes and couldn’t sit still for HOURS.

That was taking 1 full scoop, it’d start with 1/2.
I thought it wasn’t out yet?
 
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Don’t think this has been posted yet, another formula with vaso6



 
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Anyone know of the ingredient profile of either the new Performax pwo or innovatives new pwo ? Both good companies excepting a lot from em
 
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Why using a low dose nitrosigine ??
I could formulated this better even being drunk
Can't multiple scoop it either given that it's only 25 servings and 10mg+ of Huperzine A might not be fun.
 
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Can't multiple scoop it either given that it's only 25 servings and 10mg+ of Huperzine A might not be fun.
It looks like 5mg of 1% Hup-A per serving, or 50mcg/serving. Doubling that to 100mcg should be fine, and still a pretty conservative dose; I’d personally say the cost would be most prohibitive thing (nearly $3 per serving if you’re double dosing it).
 
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Not sure why you excited about it, to me all non clinical dosages... hold your money for now as start of year
got excited for the vaso 6 but I do see your point.

if price is right ill end up double scooping the product
 
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It looks like 5mg of 1% Hup-A per serving, or 50mcg/serving. Doubling that to 100mcg should be fine, and still a pretty conservative dose; I’d personally say the cost would be most prohibitive thing (nearly $3 per serving if you’re double dosing it).
Ah that's right. If it were 40 servings it might be better.
 

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Why using a low dose nitrosigine ??
I could formulated this better even being drunk
You got that right. I hope the price is cheap, as MA-PUMP has 2X as much citrulline, 2X as much nitrosigine, and 4X as much nitrate...among MANY other things. You could take 1/3rd serving of MA-PUMP and still get more than what you get in a full serving here. Sorry, had to say it.
 
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You got that right. I hope the price is cheap, as MA-PUMP has 2X as much citrulline, 2X as much nitrosigine, and 4X as much nitrate...among MANY other things. You could take 1/3rd serving of MA-PUMP and still get more than what you get in a full serving here. Sorry, had to say it.
People complain about your price point... people do not realize you get what you pay for. I had a few other friends on other forums end up picking it up based off my review. the dose of citrulline, nitrates, nitrosigine will have you getting some serious pumps.
 
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To be fair, its not twice as much citrulline, its really 50% more per serving. Also not 4 times as much Nitrates, its closer to 3 times as much per serving. However taking servings per container into account(25 v. 20), its about 20% more Citrulline and a little over double the nitrates per container.

With that said, clearly MAPump has a lot more then just those few ingredients and is quite an impressive product, just thought id make the comparison a bit more fair.
 

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People complain about your price point... people do not realize you get what you pay for. I had a few other friends on other forums end up picking it up based off my review. the dose of citrulline, nitrates, nitrosigine will have you getting some serious pumps.
Why MA-PUMP Costs LESS Than Other Pump Products!


I would imagine some do, but if they would actually LOOK at what's in the product...and see what they actually get in each serving, they would realize that a $44 price tag (with the 20% discount code: am20) is actually LESS expensive than other products!

For example, when using the discount code (am20) the product is $45 for 20 servings, putting the price at $2.25 per serving. But...if someone doesn't want to use a full serving because they don't want to spend that much money each time they workout, then they can just use a half-serving. That would bring the price down to only $1.12 per serving...and even then they would STILL get more ingredients and higher dosages than what most other pump products give them.

Here is what someone would get in a half-serving of MA-PUMP, which would make it a 40 serving product at only $1.12 per serving.

Citrulline malate: 4 grams
Sodium Nitrate: 750 mg
Nitrosigine: 500 mg
HydroMax: 2.5 grams
Capros: 125 mg
Creatine Monohydrate: 1.5 grams
Taurine: 1 gram
Betaine: 1.5 grams
Vitamin C: 250 mg


Can anyone tell me where they can get a product like that for only $1.12 per serving? I'll provide the answer myself. The answer is nowhere! MA-PUMP will provide 40 servings like that for only $1.12 per serving. That is a damn good price!

I bet you that if I had made the same exact product, but changed the label to 40 servings and cut the doses in half (so that it was like what you see above) people would be saying what a great deal it is to get 40 servings like that for only $45. But...because I made each serving super potent and reduced the servings, they blow it off and say it is too expensive. LOL.


Personally, when I used to shop for supps I would SCRUTINIZE everything about the product I was considering purchasing. I would look at every ingredient, all the dosages, and the price...and then compare those variables to other products on the market.

If more people did that..instead of just looking at the price, they would end up with a better product and actually spend LESS money...because I can guarantee that they are getting MORE for their money with MA-PUMP than with any other pump product.
 

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To be fair, its not twice as much citrulline, its really 50% more per serving.
Because it's citrulline malate, you mean? Our citrulline malate is a 2:1 ratio.

Also not 4 times as much Nitrates, its closer to 3 times as much per serving.
Nope: Potassium nitrate contains considerably less nitrates per mg than sodium nitrate, so it is roughly 4X as much.

However taking servings per container into account(25 v. 20), its about 20% more Citrulline and a little over double the nitrates per container.
I was comparing what you get per serving, not the number of servings, but if you look at what a half-serving of MA-PUMP provides (see previous post), you will see that even a half-serving of MA-PUMP is more potent than a full serving of that...and for probably considerably less money (MA-PUMP is only $1.12 per half-serving when using the am20 discount code).

By the way, it's about 3X the amount of nitrates per container.


With that said, clearly MAPump has a lot more then just those few ingredients and is quite an impressive product, just thought id make the comparison a bit more fair.
You were actually a bit off on your comparisons, but I do appreciate the comparison.
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You got that right. I hope the price is cheap, as MA-PUMP has 2X as much citrulline, 2X as much nitrosigine, and 4X as much nitrate...among MANY other things. You could take 1/3rd serving of MA-PUMP and still get more than what you get in a full serving here. Sorry, had to say it.
Booom!
 
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Because it's citrulline malate, you mean? Our citrulline malate is a 2:1 ratio.

Nope: Potassium nitrate contains considerably less nitrates per mg than sodium nitrate, so it is roughly 4X as much.

I was comparing what you get per serving, not the number of servings, but if you look at what a half-serving of MA-PUMP provides (see previous post), you will see that even a half-serving of MA-PUMP is more potent than a full serving of that...and for probably considerably less money (MA-PUMP is only $1.12 per half-serving when using the am20 discount code).

By the way, it's about 3X the amount of nitrates per container.


You were actually a bit off on your comparisons, but I do appreciate the comparison.

Yes, as a 2:1 ratio its 6g Citrulline vs. 4g Citrulline. About 50% more

I wouldn't say considerably less. Potassium Nitrates is 67% Nitrate, Sodium Nitrate is 73% Nitrate. Per serving its 335mg vs. 1095mg, closer to 3 times as much per serving.

I know you weren't comparing total contents but it is something to consider. However as I said MA-PUMP blows this product out of the water, my comparisons had nothing to do with which was better, just correcting the statement that it had twice of much citrulline and 4 times as much nitrates.

Per container; 8,375mg vs. 21,900, a bit over 2 times as I stated.

I don't feel I was a bit off, pretty spot on. Again MA-Pump is an amazing product, no doubting that, and as you have broken down, is worth the price, however it does not have twice the citrulline and 4 times the nitrates, that's all I was correcting.
 

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Yes, as a 2:1 ratio its 6g Citrulline vs. 4g Citrulline. About 50% more

I wouldn't say considerably less. Potassium Nitrates is 67% Nitrate, Sodium Nitrate is 73% Nitrate. Per serving its 335mg vs. 1095mg, closer to 3 times as much per serving.
It's still over 3X as much. :)

I know you weren't comparing total contents but it is something to consider (only once we know the price of that product) . However as I said MA-PUMP blows this product out of the water, my comparisons had nothing to do with which was better, just correcting the statement that it had twice of much citrulline and 4 times as much nitrates.

Per container; 8,375mg vs. 21,900, a bit over 2 times as I stated.
That's closer to 3X than it is 2X, so yes, you were off there. :)

I don't feel I was a bit off, pretty spot on.
Still a bit off. :0

Again MA-Pump is an amazing product, no doubting that, and as you have broken down, is worth the price, however it does not have twice the citrulline and 4 times the nitrates, that's all I was correcting.
Yes, I was slightly off, but so were you.
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lol nice!

As I originally stated, definitely not twice as much citrulline and definitely not 4 times as much nitrates :)

A great product though for sure!
 

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lol nice!

Anyway point is, as I originally stated, definitely not twice as much citrulline and closer to 3 times as much not 4.
I think we just went over that, didn't we?

By the way, I didn't notice it had l-citrulline when I first made the comparison, which is why I said 2X as much instead of 1.5X as much, but it doesn't really matter. There is a LOT more stuff in MA-PUMP. Even a half-serving of MA-PUMP is more potent than full serving of that stuff.
 
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I think we just went over that, didn't we?

By the way, I didn't notice it had l-citrulline when I first made the comparison, which is why I said 2X as much instead of 1.5X as much, but it doesn't really matter. There is a LOT more stuff in MA-PUMP. Even a half-serving of MA-PUMP is more potent than full serving of that stuff.
I did the math.

Per dollar, assuming $45 for 20 servings, 2:1 citrulline malate converted to equivalent citrulline content, and nitrate content converted to potassium nitrate equivalent nitrate content:

2.37g citrulline
444mg Nitrosigine
798mg potassium nitrate

Compared to Serum, assuming $35 for 25 servings, per dollar:

2.857g citrulline
357mg Nitrosigine
357mg potassium nitrate

I think my math checks out. Both products have some other ingredients unique to one and not the other, but that’s the math for the shared 3 ingredients here.
 

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Here's another way of looking at it...


You can spend $35 (25 servings) for Serum...

L-Citrulline: 4 grams
Potassium Nitrate: 500 mg (335 mg total nitrates)
Nitrosigine: 500 mg
Vaso-6: 300 mg
Huperzine A: 5 mg


Or, you can spend $45 (20 servings) for MA-PUMP...

Citrulline Malate: 8 grams
Nitrosigine: 1,000 mg
Sodium Nitrate: 1,500 mg (1,095 mg total nitrates)
HydroMax: 5,000 mg
Capros: 250 mg
Betaine: 3,000 mg
Creatine Monohydrate: 3,000 mg
Taurine: 2,000 mg
Vitamin C: 500 mg



Or, you can take a half-serving of MA-PUMP (40 servings for $45/ $1.12 per serving) and get this...

Citrulline Malate: 4 grams
Nitrosigine: 500 mg
Sodium Nitrate: 750 mg (547.5 mg total nitrates)
HydroMax: 2,500 mg
Capros: 125 mg
Betaine: 1,500 mg
Creatine Monohydrate: 1,500 mg
Taurine: 1,000 mg
Vitamin C: 250 mg

Where in the hell are you going to find a profile like that for only $1.12? Nowhere, but MA-PUMP. :)
 
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Works great I must say, using it now......the 7 capsule serving size sux royal nuts though.
Sweet bro, thanks for chiming in, I picked up a bunch when it was on sale, but was waiting to get through my other stuff before switching over. I plan on starting it this week.

How are you using it, 7 caps before largest carb meal? PWO meal?
 
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So, you can spend $35 (25 servings) for Serum...

L-Citrulline: 4 grams
Potassium Nitrate: 500 mg (335 mg total nitrates)
Nitrosigine: 500 mg
Vaso-6: 300 mg
Huperzine A: 5 mg


Or, you can spend $45 (20 servings) for MA-PUMP...

Citrulline Malate: 8 grams
Nitrosigine: 1,000 mg
Sodium Nitrate: 1,500 mg (1,095 mg total nitrates)
HydroMax: 5,000 mg
Capros: 250 mg
Betaine: 3,000 mg
Creatine Monohydrate: 3,000 mg
Taurine: 2,000 mg
Vitamin C: 500 mg



Or, you can take a half-serving of MA-PUMP (40 servings for $45/ $1.12 per serving) and get this...

Citrulline Malate: 4 grams
Nitrosigine: 500 mg
Sodium Nitrate: 750 mg (547.5 mg total nitrates)
HydroMax: 2,500 mg
Capros: 125 mg
Betaine: 1,500 mg
Creatine Monohydrate: 1,500 mg
Taurine: 1,000 mg
Vitamin C: 250 mg
Yes, it is a better value and of course a better overall profile. I just figured since you guys were doing comparisons, I’d break it down per dollar, to give a more 1:1 idea of value (comparing shares ingredients). Of course, MA has more other ingredients than Serum, which makes it an even better value. Just trying to contribute to the conversation with some conversions/comparisons of my own.
 

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I did the math.

Per dollar, assuming $45 for 20 servings, 2:1 citrulline malate converted to equivalent citrulline content, and nitrate content converted to potassium nitrate equivalent nitrate content:

2.37g citrulline
444mg Nitrosigine
798mg potassium nitrate

Compared to Serum, assuming $35 for 25 servings, per dollar:

2.857g citrulline
357mg Nitrosigine
357mg potassium nitrate

I think my math checks out. Both products have some other ingredients unique to one and not the other, but that’s the math for the shared 3 ingredients here.
Thanks. So, while Serum has SLIGHTLY more citrulline per dollar, MA-PUMP has considerably more nitrosigine and WAY more nitrate per dollar...plus a bunch of other things. Serum has 2 more ingredients (one of which has nothing to do with the pump; Hup-A) for a total of 5 ingredients. MA-PUMP has 5 more ingredients for a total of 8...and every one of them targets the pump...and through different pathways, such as plasma expansion (HydroMax), nitric oxide preservation, intracellular water retention, etc . Of course, it also targets the pump through the arginine pathway, as well as the nitrate-nitrite-nitric oxide pathway. Oh...and don't forget that the malate portion of citrulline malate has performance enhancement benefits in and of itself. This is why I chose citrulline malate instead of l-citrulline.
 
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I did the math.

Per dollar, assuming $45 for 20 servings, 2:1 citrulline malate converted to equivalent citrulline content, and nitrate content converted to potassium nitrate equivalent nitrate content:

2.37g citrulline
444mg Nitrosigine
798mg potassium nitrate

Compared to Serum, assuming $35 for 25 servings, per dollar:

2.857g citrulline
357mg Nitrosigine
357mg potassium nitrate

I think my math checks out. Both products have some other ingredients unique to one and not the other, but that’s the math for the shared 3 ingredients here.
Sodium Nitrate :)
 

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Yes, it is a better value and of course a better overall profile. I just figured since you guys were doing comparisons, I’d break it down per dollar, to give a more 1:1 idea of value (comparing shares ingredients). Of course, MA has more other ingredients than Serum, which makes it an even better value. Just trying to contribute to the conversation with some conversions/comparisons of my own.
I appreciate it. Thanks!
 
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dudes just grab some Noxygen and 1000mg of generic agmatine, you won't need anything else for pump or vasc
 

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dudes just grab some Noxygen and 1000mg of generic agmatine, you won't need anything else for pump or vasc
All it has is just nitrates (a prop blend of 740 mg sodium nitrate and betaine nitrate) and HydroMax (1.5 grams). Each serving is only 2.8 grams TOTAL!

It is a good deal if all someone wants is nitrates and a bit of HydroMax, but there is nothing else in it. That is why each serving is just 2.8 grams. By comparison, MA-PUMP has over 33 grams of active ingredients per serving....and targets nitric oxide through 3 separate pathways rather than just one, like Noxygen.

Still, if someone is looking primarily for a nitrate product, Noxygen is hard to beat because its only $20. $20 sounds about right, as the product probably only costs about $3-4 to make.


Here's a better comparison between MA-PUMP and Noxygen...


Noxygen (40 servings)...

Sodium nitrate and betaine nitrate blend: 740 mg
HydroMax: 1.5 grams

40 servings/ .50 cents per serving




MA-PUMP (half-serving/40 servings)

Citrulline Malate: 4 grams
Nitrosigine: 500 mg
Sodium Nitrate: 750 mg (547.5 mg total nitrates)
HydroMax: 2,500 mg
Capros: 125 mg
Betaine: 1,500 mg
Creatine Monohydrate: 1,500 mg
Taurine: 1,000 mg
Vitamin C: 250 mg

40 servings/$1.12 per serving




Here's how I see it. For the guys who are on a real tight budget, it is hard to beat Noxygen at only 50 cents per serving, but for the guys who can spend about a dollar per workout, they can use a half-serving of MA-PUMP instead...and get a significantly better product profile.
 
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All it has is just nitrates (a prop blend of 740 mg sodium nitrate and betaine nitrate) and HydroMax (1.5 grams). Each serving is only 2.8 grams TOTAL!

It is a good deal if all someone wants is nitrates and a bit of HydroMax, but there is nothing else in it. That is why each serving is just 2.8 grams. By comparison, MA-PUMP has over 33 grams of active ingredients per serving....and targets nitric oxide through 3 separate pathways rather than just one, like Noxygen.

Still, if someone is looking primarily for a nitrate product, Noxygen is hard to beat.
dudes just grab some Noxygen and 1000mg of generic agmatine, you won't need anything else for pump or vasc
There are 40 servings of a 740mg nitrate blend consisting of sodium nitrate (73% nitrate) and betaine nitrate (~34% nitrate if my math checks out, based on molecular weight). Assuming an even distribution of the two, that’s 740mg of 53.5% nitrate, or equivalent to 650mg potassium nitrate. At a best price of $15 per 40 servings I’ve seen, that gives you 1733mg potassium nitrate per dollar. If you just want nitrates, it’s a solid deal as far as most supplements go, but you can find bulk food/supplement grade potassium nitrate for a lot cheaper if you know where to look.
 

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There are 40 servings of a 740mg nitrate blend consisting of sodium nitrate (73% nitrate) and betaine nitrate (~34% nitrate if my math checks out, based on molecular weight). Assuming an even distribution of the two, that’s 740mg of 53.5% nitrate, or equivalent to 650mg potassium nitrate. At a best price of $15 per 40 servings I’ve seen, that gives you 1733mg potassium nitrate per dollar. If you just want nitrates, it’s a solid deal as far as most supplements go, but you can find bulk food/supplement grade potassium nitrate for a lot cheaper if you know where to look.
Yep...pretty much what I thought. Noxygen is a great deal if someone is looking primarily for a nitrate product. The makers of Noxygen were smart. They didn't try to compete with the higher-dosed, more holistic formulas. Instead, they chose nitrates as their primary ingredient...and are giving customers the chance to buy that kind of product for very little money.

The Hilarious thing is that Blackstone sells a pump product (Hype Extreme) that is basically the same thing as Noxygen (nitrates and HydroMax), but here's the thing. It contains only slightly more nitrates and HydroMax per container, yet it costs $50 compared to Noxygen's $15-20. That means that each mg of nitrates and HydroMax in Hype Extreme costs roughly 250%-300% more than the nitrates and HydroMax in Noxygen. I honestly don't know how they get away with selling stuff like this.
 

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