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I’ve never done a real cycle, tried ostarine over half a decade ago, but I enjoy the knowledge MPMD posts on YouTube and when he posted about Turk I had to drop androgin in the comments. 😅

From my understanding Turk could replace gear that also binds to the estrogin beta receptor and now Androgin can do the same for androgen receptor binding. I still have to try Androgin solo myself, appreciate logs, but I love thinking about combining things even if I haven’t tried them. lol

The prospect of being able to pick natural sources that do the same thing as gear makes the future of muscle building so exciting!
MPMD Gorilla Mind stuff is not shabby stuff. I was one of the folks lucky enough to try Derek's product at 2g (ends up being 200mg of true Turk complexed) a day when it came out and me being off of everything for a couple years now and IT MADE A REAL DIFFERENCE. No....it is NOT as strong as steroids or LGD 4033 for example, but it did indeed make a difference. I only used it for 2 months though before I ran out and they have yet to restock the product.

I am thinking the same experiment you are....COMBINING something like Androgin (assuming results will be positive) with Derek's Turk. NO....again, it won't be like steroids. But it will still be better than nothing.
 
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I do want to give a too early report on my 1st capsule of Androgin last night. Like everyone has been reporting....wondrous sleep.

And as I thought....GREAT mental freshness, lowered feeling of stress after this morning dose.

If nothing else, I'm already liking this product for these two results. It's only one night and one day, but I can list tons of things I have tried that I couldn't tell if they did anything at all for months notwithstanding just a night and a day.

No more reporting until definitive strength or muscle related results are apparent. For this I will be patient. I have 4 bottle. That is 4 months at suggested dosage. Why not ride this out.
 
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I do want to give a too early report on my 1st capsule of Androgin last night. Like everyone has been reporting....wondrous sleep.

And as I thought....GREAT mental freshness, lowered feeling of stress after this morning dose.

If nothing else, I'm already liking this product for these two results. It's only one night and one day, but I can list tons of things I have tried that I couldn't tell if they did anything at all for months notwithstanding just a night and a day.

No more reporting until definitive strength or muscle related results are apparent. For this I will be patient. I have 4 bottle. That is 4 months at suggested dosage. Why not ride this out.
Oh that’s great to hear! Thinking of logging it? I need to get things in order so I can grab some myself and log too! Also very cool to hear Turk was a winner for you!
 
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MPMD Gorilla Mind stuff is not shabby stuff. I was one of the folks lucky enough to try Derek's product at 2g (ends up being 200mg of true Turk complexed) a day when it came out and me being off of everything for a couple years now and IT MADE A REAL DIFFERENCE. No....it is NOT as strong as steroids or LGD 4033 for example, but it did indeed make a difference. I only used it for 2 months though before I ran out and they have yet to restock the product.

I am thinking the same experiment you are....COMBINING something like Androgin (assuming results will be positive) with Derek's Turk. NO....again, it won't be like steroids. But it will still be better than nothing.
That Turk from Gorilla... You’re talking $60 for a 15-day supply. That’s too rich for me.
 
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That Turk from Gorilla... You’re talking $60 for a 15-day supply. That’s too rich for me.
Yeah I totally agree, I’m waiting for them to stream line production and get the price down before I try it. That and I love BLR is why I’m gonna jump on Androgin first. Also I feel like androgin should give you way more than Turk alone will.
 
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DAY 15
(AM Weight: 184.8lbs | 2.3k cal/day)
BP: 255x9, 9, 9, 245x10
IncBP: 195x9 x4
Accessories

Weight dipped into the 183’s this week. Jumped a little this AM after cooking out Sunday (too much sodium probably). Anyway each day I feel the fullness/visible physique improvements become slightly more noticeable. Today my girlfriend said my lats really appeared to be ‘poppin’/tapered out. Also felt my shoulders during workout were looking absolutely nuts. Sleep has remained great and I have still dreamed every night of this run thus far.

Had an awesome lifting session today. Great strength, and pump. All while off 5ish hours of sleep, and took only 1/4 scoop of preworkout so I will take that 👍
 
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That Turk from Gorilla... You’re talking $60 for a 15-day supply. That’s too rich for me.
Amen.
It is.
Worth it? Only if you have the means to spend that much. There are reasonable cycles of real anabolics that are cheaper than this.
But if you want to go the natural route and maximize, it isn't going to be cheap. EVeryone has a choice. And there is NO wrong choice.
 
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Oh that’s great to hear! Thinking of logging it? I need to get things in order so I can grab some myself and log too! Also very cool to hear Turk was a winner for you!
I do my own detailed documentation but I don't share other than whenever I feel like it is worth sharing. My handle isn't "Experimenter" for nothing. I am my own lab, and I am one who strongly feels we are all SO different that MY results are simply not universal. Too many people "online" look and believe too many other people on protocols, etc that work for them but not for you. YOU have to experiment and try things out yourself and NOT believe others experiences neccesarily apply to you. Because 8/10, they don't.
 
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That Turk from Gorilla... You’re talking $60 for a 15-day supply. That’s too rich for me.
Or his overpriced LCLT that you can get for a few bucks.
 
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Or his overpriced LCLT that you can get for a few bucks.
I don't use anything other than Turk (well, when it was available). That doesn't mean I won't try other things that might seem interesting.

I liked his complexing strategy with true Turk. I have not seen others do that or make it available. Usually the 1st novel idea that is productized will cost a lot; I realize that. But I have means to obtain and try these new things out. Especially novel concepts. Hell, that is why I am trying Androgin.

I am willing to pay the cost. For my own knowledge and goals. To all their own.
 
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I don't use anything other than Turk (well, when it was available). That doesn't mean I won't try other things that might seem interesting.

I liked his complexing strategy with true Turk. I have not seen others do that or make it available. Usually the 1st novel idea that is productized will cost a lot; I realize that. But I have means to obtain and try these new things out. Especially novel concepts. Hell, that is why I am trying Androgin.

I am willing to pay the cost. For my own knowledge and goals. To all their own.
I get it. And I like his content. Just saying he has a pretty nice mark-up on his stuff. But, that's fine as well, he has a brand, people want to support his brand, and I love seeing novel and effective products put forth.
 
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I do my own detailed documentation but I don't share other than whenever I feel like it is worth sharing. My handle isn't "Experimenter" for nothing. I am my own lab, and I am one who strongly feels we are all SO different that MY results are simply not universal. Too many people "online" look and believe too many other people on protocols, etc that work for them but not for you. YOU have to experiment and try things out yourself and NOT believe others experiences neccesarily apply to you. Because 8/10, they don't.
I completely agree and I love experimenting on myself, I just enjoy reading the experiences of others so that I can have an idea of what I might expect.
For instance this time I tried FD2(had only had the original years ago before I took a break from sups) it wasn’t working with my training, so instead I started taking it on my days off so I could get the myostatin lowering without the antioxidant effects around training that I believe was affecting my progress.
Even that could of been other things and I’m sure I’ll experiment with it on training days again some day. I think most of the fun besides the gains is experimenting, but I think the experiments from others give you different lenses you can look at your own experiments through.
 
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DAY 15
(AM Weight: 184.8lbs | 2.3k cal/day)
BP: 255x9, 9, 9, 245x10
IncBP: 195x9 x4
Accessories

Weight dipped into the 183’s this week. Jumped a little this AM after cooking out Sunday (too much sodium probably). Anyway each day I feel the fullness/visible physique improvements become slightly more noticeable. Today my girlfriend said my lats really appeared to be ‘poppin’/tapered out. Also felt my shoulders during workout were looking absolutely nuts. Sleep has remained great and I have still dreamed every night of this run thus far.

Had an awesome lifting session today. Great strength, and pump. All while off 5ish hours of sleep, and took only 1/4 scoop of preworkout so I will take that 👍
The magic is starting to happen.
 
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The magic is starting to happen.
Yes it may be!!! I like to update every couple of days rather than daily (just as it’s easier to really get a grasp of whether something is happening, or was an off occurrence, etc)

But today again noticing fullness and even more beginning to see more vascularity.... around the clock 🤤
 
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Amen.
It is.
Worth it? Only if you have the means to spend that much. There are reasonable cycles of real anabolics that are cheaper than this.
But if you want to go the natural route and maximize, it isn't going to be cheap. EVeryone has a choice. And there is NO wrong choice.
For a natty, is this Turk really better than the likes of Follidrone, BMP, possibly Androgin, etc.? Natty supps that have earned a solid reputation on this forum.
 
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For a natty, is this Turk really better than the likes of Follidrone, BMP, possibly Androgin, etc.? Natty supps that have earned a solid reputation on this forum.
Really wanted to log Turk on AM specifically the one from MPMD. Not going to have chance until summer—ish and feel the verdict is already set/being set. Doesn’t seem worth it to me
 
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For a natty, is this Turk really better than the likes of Follidrone, BMP, possibly Androgin, etc.? Natty supps that have earned a solid reputation on this forum.
I did a run of FD2 and Vector awhile back and I'm sorry to say they didn't (or wouldn't) have gotten a "solid reputation" from me. But as I stated before, that's ME. Others DID get great results and that is awesome. But it wasn't for me. My point again about relying on other experiences and thinking/hoping yours will be the same. Hopefully things people try will work for them.

My perspective is quite a bit skewed too. I am NOT a natty (off the hardcore stuff for several years now (last cycle was in 2008) and off other newer things like SARMS for about 2 years). My thoughts that something didn't work as well as I hoped is skewed by my perception of previous experience with "other things". Though I try to be fair and rely on what data I can collect, inevitably I am cursed with the knowledge of how good things could be. I won't ever, I think, be able to give a clear bias free report from a natty status.

My point in sharing experiences now is for others like me....NON-Natty's....who are curious about the supplementation world and how they compare. My viewpoints, experiences, or whatever I write simply can't represent any possible experience a true natty would have. But even as I want to share, I realize again that even those who in my category of previous users will have great variation based on physiology, chemistry, and individual biology.
 
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For a natty, is this Turk really better than the likes of Follidrone, BMP, possibly Androgin, etc.? Natty supps that have earned a solid reputation on this forum.
It's Anabolic in a different pathway compared to Vector, Follidrone, or Androgin.
 

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I did a run of FD2 and Vector awhile back and I'm sorry to say they didn't (or wouldn't) have gotten a "solid reputation" from me. But as I stated before, that's ME. Others DID get great results and that is awesome. But it wasn't for me. My point again about relying on other experiences and thinking/hoping yours will be the same. Hopefully things people try will work for them.

My perspective is quite a bit skewed too. I am NOT a natty (off the hardcore stuff for several years now (last cycle was in 2008) and off other newer things like SARMS for about 2 years). My thoughts that something didn't work as well as I hoped is skewed by my perception of previous experience with "other things". Though I try to be fair and rely on what data I can collect, inevitably I am cursed with the knowledge of how good things could be. I won't ever, I think, be able to give a clear bias free report from a natty status.

My point in sharing experiences now is for others like me....NON-Natty's....who are curious about the supplementation world and how they compare. My viewpoints, experiences, or whatever I write simply can't represent any possible experience a true natty would have. But even as I want to share, I realize again that even those who in my category of previous users will have great variation based on physiology, chemistry, and individual biology.
So are you taking Androgin? what are you running with it? will you post your results?
 
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So are you taking Androgin? what are you running with it? will you post your results?
He stated earlier he would post notable results over time.
 
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DAY 23
(181.2lbs AM Weight | 2.3k cals/day still)
Back workout today

Yesterday's workout:
BP: 260x8, 8, 8, 250x8
IncBP: 195x10, 10, 10, 8
DB Skull: 35x10 x4
Accessories + cardio

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Pumps and fullness have been pretty crazy. Like I’ve said I’m just using my staple pre and creatine outside of Androgin. Strength has had maybe a little bump. I’m down close to 8lbs at this time also.

Not a whole lot else to report really. Yesterday’s lift I did feel a bit like I was on steroids lol and that picture doesn’t do the pump any justice (I just don’t like being that guy snapping swolfies in the gym/locker room). The shots I got at home I look pretty nuts. They are a bit more Instagram thirst trap risqué so I opted not to post for y’all 😂

Lastly I have been in a god awful mood the last week-ish. I attribute this to upping my caffeine intake and using yohimbe (in pre workout) more often then usual. I was alternating C4 and Seismic Surge (yohimbe) but I’m only using SS now. Could also be the lowered calories but I generally don’t feel hungry/hangry. Not sure if the Androgin could be attributing to this or not. Still dreaming 90% of nights and feeling well rested whether it’s a 5 hour night or 8.5. 👍
 
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DAY 23
(181.2lbs AM Weight | 2.3k cals/day still)
Back workout today

Yesterday's workout:
BP: 260x8, 8, 8, 250x8
IncBP: 195x10, 10, 10, 8
DB Skull: 35x10 x4
Accessories + cardio

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Pumps and fullness have been pretty crazy. Like I’ve said I’m just using my staple pre and creatine outside of Androgin. Strength has had maybe a little bump. I’m down close to 8lbs at this time also.

Not a whole lot else to report really. Yesterday’s lift I did feel a bit like I was on steroids lol and that picture doesn’t do the pump any justice (I just don’t like being that guy snapping swolfies in the gym/locker room). The shots I got at home I look pretty nuts. They are a bit more Instagram thirst trap risqué so I opted not to post for y’all 😂

Lastly I have been in a god awful mood the last week-ish. I attribute this to upping my caffeine intake and using yohimbe (in pre workout) more often then usual. I was alternating C4 and Seismic Surge (yohimbe) but I’m only using SS now. Could also be the lowered calories but I generally don’t feel hungry/hangry. Not sure if the Androgin could be attributing to this or not. Still dreaming 90% of nights and feeling well rested whether it’s a 5 hour night or 8.5. 👍
The overall goal is to lose bodyfat? Because obviously you won't gain anything significant in caloric deficit.
The pumps and strength even in deficit shows its working. If you bumped those cals up you would gain mass.
 
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The overall goal is to lose bodyfat? Because obviously you won't gain anything significant in caloric deficit.
The pumps and strength even in deficit shows its working. If you bumped those cals up you would gain mass.
I’m in the early stage of a contest prep.
 
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so I continue to enjoy a nice, well-rested sleep. And when I do take a nap I feel the nap is "efficient", meaning that a 20min nap will bounce me back very refreshed. Just wondering what is the mechanism this is from..is it the GH? or could it possibly be something else.
 
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what kind of strength increases are you loggers seeing? I added about 30lbs on most of my sets from epicatechin , so it would be pretty hard to imagine something "putting that to shame." my review of the thread shows some guys sleep alittle better, others had some dreams, and then the pumps, but are the strength/endurance observations nondescript because there's nothing particularly noteworthy in those departments?
 
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what kind of strength increases are you loggers seeing? I added about 30lbs on most of my sets from epicatechin , so it would be pretty hard to imagine something "putting that to shame." my review of the thread shows some guys sleep alittle better, others had some dreams, and then the pumps, but are the strength/endurance observations nondescript because there's nothing particularly noteworthy in those departments?
Epicatechin is better for endurance for sure. I haven’t noticed any endurance improvements from Androgin. I do believe strength has increased some since starting Androgin. Muscle fullness is also up. I don’t notice any better pumps from it. Sleep has been great on it. Feeling well rested in the mornings.
 
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what kind of strength increases are you loggers seeing? I added about 30lbs on most of my sets from epicatechin , so it would be pretty hard to imagine something "putting that to shame." my review of the thread shows some guys sleep alittle better, others had some dreams, and then the pumps, but are the strength/endurance observations nondescript because there's nothing particularly noteworthy in those departments?
That's great for Epicatechin! Have you tried Follidrone?
 
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That's great for Epicatechin! Have you tried Follidrone?
That's great for Epicatechin! Have you tried Follidrone?
i remember follidrone when it hit the boards; people were going ape in those posts and it was all true. in my case, i get the benefit only transdermally or when a carrier is used. i think there are types of gi's that limit size more than others, as i have to sit on the sidelines with a handful of products such as korean mistletoe. ive never benefitted from any kind of ginseng, including the fermented one, but i bought androgin purely because it is an effort to address the absorption issue
 
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what kind of strength increases are you loggers seeing? I added about 30lbs on most of my sets from epicatechin , so it would be pretty hard to imagine something "putting that to shame." my review of the thread shows some guys sleep alittle better, others had some dreams, and then the pumps, but are the strength/endurance observations nondescript because there's nothing particularly noteworthy in those departments?
Epicatechin has been hands down the best thing I’ve ever used for endurance. Never got huge strength gains from epi. In comparison at this point;
Better vascularity from epi
Better endurance from epi
Better recomp effect from epi
Better pumps from Androgin
Better sleep from Androgin
Better strength from Androgin

Neither really affected hunger. As I stated in earlier in log Androgin may be contributed to a worse mood / increased aggression. I also notice the effects of epicatechin much sooner / almost immediately. With Androgin supposed to be a SARM/natty anabolic I would assume it takes more time (similar to how ArA or other natty anabolics, or even actual anabolics take weeks to kick in).

As far as strength I’m down 7-8lbs in 3 ish weeks still progressing linearly on all my lifts. If I hadn’t caught COVID-19 just before starting and thus loosing a lot of strength on my bench (main strength focus rn) and then immediately jumping into a cut (lol) I would be the strongest I’ve ever been. Not claiming huge strength gains or PH/AAS comparable but usually when I’m cutting I notice a fair drop off in my #s.
 
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i remember follidrone when it hit the boards; people were going ape in those posts and it was all true. in my case, i get the benefit only transdermally or when a carrier is used. i think there are types of gi's that limit size more than others, as i have to sit on the sidelines with a handful of products such as korean mistletoe. ive never benefitted from any kind of ginseng, including the fermented one, but i bought androgin purely because it is an effort to address the absorption issue
Give Follidrone 2.0 a try. I get denser and more vascular every time I run it.
 
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i remember follidrone when it hit the boards; people were going ape in those posts and it was all true. in my case, i get the benefit only transdermally or when a carrier is used. i think there are types of gi's that limit size more than others, as i have to sit on the sidelines with a handful of products such as korean mistletoe. ive never benefitted from any kind of ginseng, including the fermented one, but i bought androgin purely because it is an effort to address the absorption issue
We should keep in mind there is no ginseng in Androgin.
Its pure ginsenosides. You would have to eat a giant bag of ginseng to even come close.
I think youll be surprised.
 
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Epicatechin has been hands down the best thing I’ve ever used for endurance. Never got huge strength gains from epi. In comparison at this point;
Better vascularity from epi
Better endurance from epi
Better recomp effect from epi
Better pumps from Androgin
Better sleep from Androgin
Better strength from Androgin

Neither really affected hunger. As I stated in earlier in log Androgin may be contributed to a worse mood / increased aggression. I also notice the effects of epicatechin much sooner / almost immediately. With Androgin supposed to be a SARM/natty anabolic I would assume it takes more time (similar to how ArA or other natty anabolics, or even actual anabolics take weeks to kick in).

As far as strength I’m down 7-8lbs in 3 ish weeks still progressing linearly on all my lifts. If I hadn’t caught COVID-19 just before starting and thus loosing a lot of strength on my bench (main strength focus rn) and then immediately jumping into a cut (lol) I would be the strongest I’ve ever been. Not claiming huge strength gains or PH/AAS comparable but usually when I’m cutting I notice a fair drop off in my #s.
I think that you are down 8lbs and are not losing strength is massive.
Imagine now if you were in caloric surplus what the strength would be like.
 
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Give Follidrone 2.0 a try. I get denser and more vascular every time I run it.
Agreed here. FD 2.0 is my go to natty anabolic. Only positives from running it and great results.
 
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DAY 29
(182.8lbs AM Weight | 2.1k cals)
Machine Row: 120x10 x4
Pull-ups: BWx 10, 10, 8, 8
CGLPD: 90x20, 15, 14, 13
Lat Raise: 25x16, 14, 12, 10
Cable Curl: 90x10, 10, 7, 80x12

Todays update comes as I’ve probably had the best pump of this entire run today. Push days are usually, and throughout this run, been my insane pump days. Pull days for whatever reason my pumps aren’t as juicy. But today was a different story. I had a full upper body pump through my chest and arms as well as my back obviously.

Outside of that not much new info to update. Nearing the end of bottle 1, I have not decided if I’ll continue or not. As my cut begins to really advance I’m going to be adding in quite a few supps and thus it’ll be hard really to determine the Androgin benefits. I will revisit for sure in the summer for an 8 week run.
 
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Leg day today. Not going to do a whole update post.... just that I felt super strong in the gym today. Most noticeable strength wise day today. Seems this is just getting good of course as my bottle comes to an end 🤨

First week I dosed mainly 1 cap a day. And most of my off days I just did one as well so I might have another weeks worth left. Will count tonight.
 
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Ok nice, I’ll plan for a multi-bottle run when I go for it!
Very cool that it seemed to help keep strength up. How much of a strength difference would you say you felt on that leg day?
 
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Leg day today. Not going to do a whole update post.... just that I felt super strong in the gym today. Most noticeable strength wise day today. Seems this is just getting good of course as my bottle comes to an end 🤨

First week I dosed mainly 1 cap a day. And most of my off days I just did one as well so I might have another weeks worth left. Will count tonight.
You only used half the dose?
 
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Going to wrap this up probably tomorrow. I’ve been using 1 cap/day since Saturday (off days) to extend my run a little. Still noticing the improved sleep, pumps, fullness. Though Monday’s lift I did notice a drop off on bench strength somewhat typical of cutting norms.

Final review coming.
 
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FINAL REVIEW

I’m going to review Androgin based off the advertised benefits as that makes the most sense. So off their own write-up:
Benefits:
  • Increase Muscle Mass
  • Increase Strength
  • Reduce Muscle Loss
  • Cut Fat
  • Enhance your performance
Increase Muscle Mass - (6/10)*. This is hard to rate really. I’m going to asterisk my rating on this one as I’m cutting. I lost 12lbs while using Androgin and feel the scale weight did move a little harder then usual which could be caused by increased glycogen and/or muscle gain. Pumps and fullness were awesome.

Increase Strength - (6/10). I did not notice a huge strength gain or effects to the nature. A few lifts I did feel incredibly strong but overall no PR’s or bodyweight PR’s. Would be easier to gauge in a caloric surplus.

Reduce Muscle Loss - (8/10). I did feel I maintained solid muscle while using Androgin. Pics for reference, y’all can gauge yourselves.

Cut Fat - Hard to rate this again so I’m not even going to try lol. I am in a cut and I didn’t feel a huge aid or anything. My waist size did decreased dramatically, but also lost 12lbs. My weight projection with my coach has been spot on so I don’t any #s to contribute to Androgin helping me more.

Improve Performance - (8/10). This is much easier to garage IMO. Workouts felt better, few times literally felt like I was on steroids lol. Huge pumps and just great overall workouts

What’s not advertised is the sleep benefits and rested feeling. Literally had deep REM sleep and dreams 90% of nights (first like 15 days straight). Woke up everyday feeling fully rested even nights with 5 hours of sleep. I think this factor alone should make Androgin desirable to just about everyone on AM (and in general lol).

As mentioned pumps were amazing also.

OVERALL - (8/10). I had a great experience with Androgin and think it’s definitely a worthy addition to a natural stack. It did not however live up to SARM like gains but still great for a natty product.

As mentioned in log I am a huge fan of epicatechin and believe it still holds the natty crown. But this plus Epi could be as close as we get to natty products rivaling a SARM run or weak andros.

Also worth noting a longer run would surely benefit one more. But this is my 1 bottle experience. Hoping to return to Androgin + Follidrone mid-end of summer and will have a log up 👍

Cheers
 
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I’m going to review Androgin based off the advertised benefits as that makes the most sense. So off their own write-up:
Benefits:
  • Increase Muscle Mass
  • Increase Strength
  • Reduce Muscle Loss
  • Cut Fat
  • Enhance your performance
Increase Muscle Mass - (6/10)*. This is hard to rate really. I’m going to asterisk my rating on this one as I’m cutting. I lost 12lbs while using Androgin and feel the scale weight did move a little harder then usual which could be caused by increased glycogen and/or muscle gain. Pumps and fullness were awesome.

Increase Strength - (6/10). I did not notice a huge strength gain or effects to the nature. A few lifts I did feel incredibly strong but overall no PR’s or bodyweight PR’s. Would be easier to gauge in a caloric surplus.

Reduce Muscle Loss - (8/10). I did feel I maintained solid muscle while using Androgin. Pics for reference, y’all can gauge yourselves.

Cut Fat - Hard to rate this again so I’m not even going to try lol. I am in a cut and I didn’t feel a huge aid or anything. My waist size did decreased dramatically, but also lost 12lbs. My weight projection with my coach has been spot on so I don’t any #s to contribute to Androgin helping me more.

Improve Performance - (8/10). This is much easier to garage IMO. Workouts felt better, few times literally felt like I was on steroids lol. Huge pumps and just great overall workouts

What’s not advertised is the sleep benefits and rested feeling. Literally had deep REM sleep and dreams 90% of nights (first like 15 days straight). Woke up everyday feeling fully rested even nights with 5 hours of sleep. I think this factor alone should make Androgin desirable to just about everyone on AM (and in general lol).

As mentioned pumps were amazing also.

OVERALL - (8/10). I had a great experience with Androgin and think it’s definitely a worthy addition to a natural stack. It did not however live up to SARM like gains but still great for a natty product.

As mentioned in log I am a huge fan of epicatechin and believe it still holds the natty crown. But this plus Epi could be as close as we get to natty products rivaling a SARM run or weak andros.

Also worth noting a longer run would surely benefit one more. But this is my 1 bottle experience. Hoping to return to Androgin + Follidrone mid-end of summer and will have a log up

Cheers
Thanks for the feedback! Hope you run it again after your show, on a surplus, and at least 2 caps a day.
 
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Definitely looking more dicey but solid training and diet means it is hard to gauge. I’m going to try my luck at 12-16 weeks in a surplus, likely stacked
 

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One month really isn't enough time for a log Imo, should do 2-3 months, but looks interesting
 

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