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Not sure if there’s much interest because Api-Plex is already reasonably priced, but any chance of offering Apigenin powder? I’m always interested in powders for my staples just to save a little.
 
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Not sure if there’s much interest because Api-Plex is already reasonably priced, but any chance of offering Apigenin powder? I’m always interested in powders for my staples just to save a little.
I would be open to it if its something that enough people wanted, but we've never had anyone ask before and also we are so cost effective on Api-Plex that I doubt a powder would save much money wise and that low of a dose would be a pain to weigh out.

But I appreciate the suggestion. I'm always open to ideas.
 

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Hi Steve,

Have you ever considered a post-Covid recovery product? Or more generally something to help people regain a step after getting sick?

Lots of long covid suffering out there and lots of lingering effects- I saw a study today about lower blood flow to parts of the brain long after active infection. Not to mention it’s not easy getting back in the gym after such an Illness.

Not sure if you could legally market such a thing since there aren’t a lot of studies yet but clearly there’s a market need for something that could help
 
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Hi Steve,

Have you ever considered a post-Covid recovery product? Or more generally something to help people regain a step after getting sick?

Lots of long covid suffering out there and lots of lingering effects- I saw a study today about lower blood flow to parts of the brain long after active infection. Not to mention it’s not easy getting back in the gym after such an Illness.

Not sure if you could legally market such a thing since there aren’t a lot of studies yet but clearly there’s a market need for something that could help
That's a great idea but I'm afraid that you're also right in that there is no way that a company could legally market it bc even the mention of Covid in any type of advertising is a huge red flag with the FDA.

I avoid mentioning Covid on here bc of how at one time even mentioning it turned into a political discussion, but I've been suffering from a lot of symptoms myself that my doctor thinks may be related to long Covid myself; so its definitely an area of interest to me. For me personally, its been severe fatigue, severe brain fog, almost feeling like my brain is locked up and like I'm helpless to do even simple tasks at times. Really weird and odd feeling and hard to explain to anyone that hasn't experienced it.

If we did something for this, we'd have to put a creative spin on it and basically throw it out there and let word of mouth dictate what it is and would be used for OR we could make it be about something else and just happen to be good for that if that makes sense.

What ingredients are you thinking?
 

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Hi Steve,

Have you ever considered a post-Covid recovery product? Or more generally something to help people regain a step after getting sick?

Lots of long covid suffering out there and lots of lingering effects- I saw a study today about lower blood flow to parts of the brain long after active infection. Not to mention it’s not easy getting back in the gym after such an Illness.

Not sure if you could legally market such a thing since there aren’t a lot of studies yet but clearly there’s a market need for something that could help
If it is mental fog and fatigue Sabroxy XT was quite helpful for me.
 
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I just got covid and damn peak02 is making a huge difference
I'm sorry to hear that you have Covid and hope that you'll recovery quickly. I'm glad to hear that PEAK02 is helping.
 

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Focus XT (for brain fog) and cordyceps (MST or SNS Peak02; for occasional breathlessness) were a real help for us post-Covid.
 

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That's a great idea but I'm afraid that you're also right in that there is no way that a company could legally market it bc even the mention of Covid in any type of advertising is a huge red flag with the FDA.

I avoid mentioning Covid on here bc of how at one time even mentioning it turned into a political discussion, but I've been suffering from a lot of symptoms myself that my doctor thinks may be related to long Covid myself; so its definitely an area of interest to me. For me personally, its been severe fatigue, severe brain fog, almost feeling like my brain is locked up and like I'm helpless to do even simple tasks at times. Really weird and odd feeling and hard to explain to anyone that hasn't experienced it.

If we did something for this, we'd have to put a creative spin on it and basically throw it out there and let word of mouth dictate what it is and would be used for OR we could make it be about something else and just happen to be good for that if that makes sense.

What ingredients are you thinking?
I don’t really have any in mind, had just been thinking that if there was a “Post Covid Recovery XT” I would definitely buy it.

Some good inputs above. Brain fog and risk of personality /emotional changes seem to be a risk. Endless lack of endurance working out was really bad too. Not sure if there is anything that “resets” the body if you will, just thought with the knowledge of ingredients around here we may have something useful
 
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I don’t really have any in mind, had just been thinking that if there was a “Post Covid Recovery XT” I would definitely buy it.

Some good inputs above. Brain fog and risk of personality /emotional changes seem to be a risk. Endless lack of endurance working out was really bad too. Not sure if there is anything that “resets” the body if you will, just thought with the knowledge of ingredients around here we may have something useful
Thank you. It was a great suggestion. I have a few ideas, I was just curious if you had had any in mind yourself.
 
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Focus XT (for brain fog) and cordyceps (MST or SNS Peak02; for occasional breathlessness) were a real help for us post-Covid.
This actually seems like the type of thing that would be beneficial to market. Endurance + nootropic + add in some immune support (elderberry, vit C, etc.). As others have stated, can't market it as post-COVID (eg, no medical / condition claims), but I bet there's a market for this just as a recovery matrix for colds in general...
 
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This actually seems like the type of thing that would be beneficial to market. Endurance + nootropic + add in some immune support (elderberry, vit C, etc.). As others have stated, can't market it as post-COVID (eg, no medical / condition claims), but I bet there's a market for this just as a recovery matrix for colds in general...
I think it has good potential too. I think that one limitation may be that for the general population, capsules are always going to sell better than powders to them, and we would run into some capsule constraints so it likely couldn't be exactly like Focus XT + PEAK02 + a ton of immune enhancers bc that would be like a dozen or more capsules per day, but I think it could still be a well formulated product.
 

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The old TAA from Prototype. That actually came back a couple years ago as a powder. Nutristat has BioATP caps but they are underdosed.
Yes you need at least four or five pills before each workout everything out is under dosed.
 

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The old TAA from Prototype. That actually came back a couple years ago as a powder. Nutristat has BioATP caps but they are underdosed.
I still have some of the powder version I will try two scoops today for fun, always liked one so two must be better.
 
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I still have some of the powder version I will try two scoops today for fun, always liked one so two must be better.
I think I may have gone up to 4 scoops. To be honest, I really don't remember getting much from it.

If you don't mind transdermal, Apex Triton is the same thing.
 
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I've been thinking of something similar to this but may would leave the Quercetin out because it needs to be so highly dosed to really be effective, or may would go with one of the more advanced types.

My idea though had a lot more in it but was going all out and would wind up being a very comprehensive anti-aging/longevity formula but would be pretty high priced; so something simpler like this may also be a good option to hit a more cost effective pricepoint.

Any other ingredient thoughts for this? (you or anyone else)
Spermidine might be a good addition. Could also look into Quercefit for the quercetin portion or taxifolin (dihydroquercetin).

Edit: Just say you mentioned spermidine already for the formula.
 
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Triacetyladenosine 200mg caps.
Thank you for the suggestion. I don't think its really a good candidate for a capsulated product imo because the cost associated with providing an effective dose in capsule form puts it being so expensive that one could buy a great formulation product for not much more.

But for people interested in this ingredient, XPG may have a really cool surprise coming within the next month or two :)
 
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Spermidine might be a good addition. Could also look into Quercefit for the quercetin portion or taxifolin (dihydroquercetin).

Edit: Just say you mentioned spermidine already for the formula.
I've looked at Quercetin and had planned to use it in a formula awhile back but then had decided to hold off on that particular product; so that would definitely be doable. I've also looked at a couple different versions of Isoquercetin.

Spermidine is a good suggestion and yes, I was thinking of already including that one in a formula and we also may offer it as a single ingredient.
 
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I also wanted to let everyone know that the Black Friday Sales are extended:


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Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2023 Edition)

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That's a great idea but I'm afraid that you're also right in that there is no way that a company could legally market it bc even the mention of Covid in any type of advertising is a huge red flag with the FDA.

I avoid mentioning Covid on here bc of how at one time even mentioning it turned into a political discussion, but I've been suffering from a lot of symptoms myself that my doctor thinks may be related to long Covid myself; so its definitely an area of interest to me. For me personally, its been severe fatigue, severe brain fog, almost feeling like my brain is locked up and like I'm helpless to do even simple tasks at times. Really weird and odd feeling and hard to explain to anyone that hasn't experienced it.

If we did something for this, we'd have to put a creative spin on it and basically throw it out there and let word of mouth dictate what it is and would be used for OR we could make it be about something else and just happen to be good for that if that makes sense.

What ingredients are you thinking?
Covid brain fog and memory loss is no joke. I believe all these new strains of Covid aren’t anything like the original. (Although not saying it can’t still be serious). I contacted Dec 2020 was hospitalized almost died and was on oxygen for 6 weeks after the hospital. My lungs have never been the same and I’ve accepted that but it’s the memory loss that really bugs me. The wife will tell me things and I will totally forget and then there is an argument that was totally my fault but I never forgot stuff like i do since Covid.
 
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Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2023 Edition)

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Ha. I'm right there with you on that one.

We do plan on doing a really cool unique hair, skin, and nails formula in 2023.
 
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Covid brain fog and memory loss is no joke. I believe all these new strains of Covid aren’t anything like the original. (Although not saying it can’t still be serious). I contacted Dec 2020 was hospitalized almost died and was on oxygen for 6 weeks after the hospital. My lungs have never been the same and I’ve accepted that but it’s the memory loss that really bugs me. The wife will tell me things and I will totally forget and then there is an argument that was totally my fault but I never forgot stuff like i do since Covid.
I absolutely agree. The post Covid brain fog and memory issues have been brutal.

I'm sorry to hear about your experience and I'm glad that you made it through it.

I know what you mean about the memory loss - I've always had a great memory so people expect it of me and now will get irritated or frustrated with me when I can't recall something right away or lose my thoughts. It sucks.

I recently started taking our Huperzine A 99% twice a day and it seems to have helped some. It's been a slow and gradual but steady improvement and I've noticed that now if I can't remember something, if I really stop and think about it, it will come back to me easier. I'm not sure if that would help you, but if you let me know when place your next order with us, I'll be glad to throw one in for you to try.
 
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I absolutely agree. The post Covid brain fog and memory issues have been brutal.

I'm sorry to hear about your experience and I'm glad that you made it through it.

I know what you mean about the memory loss - I've always had a great memory so people expect it of me and now will get irritated or frustrated with me when I can't recall something right away or lose my thoughts. It sucks.

I recently started taking our Huperzine A 99% twice a day and it seems to have helped some. It's been a slow and gradual but steady improvement and I've noticed that now if I can't remember something, if I really stop and think about it, it will come back to me easier. I'm not sure if that would help you, but if you let me know when place your next order with us, I'll be glad to throw one in for you to try.
That was a staple supp for me before Covid, I didn’t know why I stopped taking it when I got back in the gym. I’ll be placing an order soon and I’ll add one, appreciate the kind offer but no need to throw one in.
 

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I’d love to see a sleep formula however with the option without melatonin. I think I’ve been taking melatonin a little too long…
 
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I’d like to see CEL or SNS make a sleep formula (likely CEL with what I want)

Magnesium bisglycinate 400mg
Phenibut 1.5g
Lemon balm extract >7% rosmarinic acid and >14% hydroxycinnamic acid 400mg
Sensoril 50mg of total withanolides
L-theanine 100mg
rutaecarpine (RUTA) 100mg
 

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I’d love to see a sleep formula however with the option without melatonin. I think I’ve been taking melatonin a little too long…
For what it’s worth I seem to get noticeably better sleep with only one cap of Sleep Assist XT - my sleep score on my Fitbit is usually 5-10 points higher when I take it too, for whatever that’s worth…not sure how accurate any of that is.

So not no Melatonin but a smaller dose than taking all four caps, plus a bottle ends up lasting forever this way.

I generally sleep pretty well though so YMMV. I just have small kids so I’m really just hoping to make 6 hours of sleep feel like 7 if I can.
 
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For what it’s worth I seem to get noticeably better sleep with only one cap of Sleep Assist XT - my sleep score on my Fitbit is usually 5-10 points higher when I take it too, for whatever that’s worth…not sure how accurate any of that is.

So not no Melatonin but a smaller dose than taking all four caps, plus a bottle ends up lasting forever this way.

I generally sleep pretty well though so YMMV. I just have small kids so I’m really just hoping to make 6 hours of sleep feel like 7 if I can.
That sounds good !!
 

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For what it’s worth I seem to get noticeably better sleep with only one cap of Sleep Assist XT - my sleep score on my Fitbit is usually 5-10 points higher when I take it too, for whatever that’s worth…not sure how accurate any of that is.

So not no Melatonin but a smaller dose than taking all four caps, plus a bottle ends up lasting forever this way.

I generally sleep pretty well though so YMMV. I just have small kids so I’m really just hoping to make 6 hours of sleep feel like 7 if I can.
I also find one cap of Sleep Assist XT works great as well. It is also extremely cost effective this way.
 

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Exactly, it definitely works for me even at just one cap. I’ve only ever taken two if I had to work out late at night, that ruins my sleep quality so I avoid it as much as possible. I’ve never taken more than two. Hopefully I’m not hurting Steve’s sales! :censored:
 
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I’d love to see a sleep formula however with the option without melatonin. I think I’ve been taking melatonin a little too long…
We do have a sleep formula in the works without Melatonin. The formula is done, I'm just not sure exactly when it will go into production, I'm thinking probably Q1 of next year for an estimated release time.

Some people love Melatonin, some people don't like Melatonin, and then some people buy into the marketing against Melatonin a little too much in my opinion. I think that the key with Melatonin is finding the lowest effective dose that works for an individual, whereas a lot of companies throw in mega doses and people unknowingly just assume more is better.
 
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I’d love to see a sleep formula however with the option without melatonin. I think I’ve been taking melatonin a little too long…
I was thinking I should take a break from it, but I did some research and learned the longer you take it the better ????
 
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For what it’s worth I seem to get noticeably better sleep with only one cap of Sleep Assist XT - my sleep score on my Fitbit is usually 5-10 points higher when I take it too, for whatever that’s worth…not sure how accurate any of that is.

So not no Melatonin but a smaller dose than taking all four caps, plus a bottle ends up lasting forever this way.

I generally sleep pretty well though so YMMV. I just have small kids so I’m really just hoping to make 6 hours of sleep feel like 7 if I can.
I agree with that. 1 capsule of Sleep Assist XT is enough for me most of the time too. And yes, that's pretty telling for the Fitbit, so that's awesome.

I agree also that the best course of action with Melatonin is not necessarily to go with none, but to go with the lowest effective dose that works for an individual, and that's why we formulated Sleep Assist XT the way that we did.

I can so relate to the last sentence there of just wanting to make some sleep feel like more sleep lol.
 
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Exactly, it definitely works for me even at just one cap. I’ve only ever taken two if I had to work out late at night, that ruins my sleep quality so I avoid it as much as possible. I’ve never taken more than two. Hopefully I’m not hurting Steve’s sales! :censored:
Ha. Of course you are. Jk. 😛

I only take 1 per night if getting 6 hours of sleep and I will take 2 caps a night when I have time to try to get 8 hours of sleep but that's rare that I have the time to.

Sleep Assist XT is an example of a product where synergy of ingredients is definitely a real thing and if I had it to do over again and known it would work as great as it does, I would have probably done it as a 60 veg cap size rather than a 120 veg cap size.
 
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I was thinking I should take a break from it, but I did some research and learned the longer you take it the better ????
Melatonin is one of those things where there is a ton of research on it and one with an agenda could present information to support their case in a lot of different ways.

I could definitely make an argument that the results and benefits could get better over time; not just for sleep but other benefits from it as well. People associate melatonin with sleep so much they forget the other benefits.

I could also though pick and choose studies to make it seem like taking it was a bad idea. I think its important to note that it is a super cheap ingredient and a lot of the companies pushing the idea that it is bad are using much more expensive ingredients and trying to convince people to pay more for them.

On my side, we already offer Sleep Assist XT with it in there and will be launching Sleep Support XT without it in there, so I have no agenda either way in the agenda category.

My personal opinion is that it isn't the greatest standalone ingredient for sleep by itself but works great in formulas like Sleep Assist XT and the goal should be to use the least effective dose that works for you as an individual. For example, 1 capsule of Sleep Assist XT only has 1.5 mg.
 
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I’d like to see CEL or SNS make a sleep formula (likely CEL with what I want)

Magnesium bisglycinate 400mg
Phenibut 1.5g
Lemon balm extract >7% rosmarinic acid and >14% hydroxycinnamic acid 400mg
Sensoril 50mg of total withanolides
L-theanine 100mg
rutaecarpine (RUTA) 100mg
Thank you for the suggestion.

I'm going to reply to you in full detail in the next post but I wanted to use your post as a warning to all about the situation in the industry with Phenibut.

Phenibut - Some information and a warning:
As many know, we used to make Phenibut XT but we discontinued it quite some time ago. The reason for that is that the FDA had sent out letters to some companies stating that Phenibut didn't meet the definition of a dietary supplement. That is the reason that us, and most other companies stopped making it. What a lot of people never see in situations like this is the backside of what happened and how it affects Phenibut products on the market now - a good example of 'the law of unintended consequences' principle.

When the government initially sent that letter, there was confusion in the industry and I may go into more details about that and do an article on it at some point, but the end result was that Phenibut prices went up dramatically and also there was an influx of poor quality raw materials onto the market. These included lower percentage of purity raws, raws that were just outright scams and not what they were supposed to be, and raws that were 'cut' to hit price points brands were demanding and actually say for example 60% Phenibut/40% GABA or something else.

This post isn't meant to be negative to any particular brands and some of the brands selling the inferior raw materials may not even know it and just be trusting their suppliers; but some absolutely know what they're doing and are just trying to make a quick buck on it or should bc if legit raws cost xyz and they find a raw material price of half that on a very scarce and high demand ingredient, common sense should tell them so.

US Customers - Be Careful Who You Buy From:
With the issues going on with this ingredient and with legit companies like SNS and Repp Sports no longer making Phenibut products, be careful who you buy Phenibut products from. Brands like Hi-Tech that use them in formulas are legit, I don't mean companies like that. I mean the companies that are popping up using it in products that are already shady and/or that you haven't heard of before.

There is only one retailer left that I know of that has any leftover Phenibut XT in stock. I will not post it and I ask others not to too please. Anyone that wants to know is welcome to pm me.

There is only one other company that I know of that sells it as a single ingredient that would trust myself to buy it from. That doesn't mean that there aren't any others, just not ones that I know of. Again, I won't mention them here but people are welcome to pm me.

Caution Specifically to UK/European Customers:
To our friends and customers in Europe, we've even had reports of counterfeit product there. One confirmed place that is selling counterfeit Phenibut XT is fatburners.at. I contacted them myself after having customers send me lot numbers and expiration dates of product sold from them - they refused to say where they got them and I told them they were counterfeit and they didn't care at all. In researching them, they appear to sell many other counterfeit products so I would encourage people not to buy from them
 
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I’d like to see CEL or SNS make a sleep formula (likely CEL with what I want)

Magnesium bisglycinate 400mg
Phenibut 1.5g
Lemon balm extract >7% rosmarinic acid and >14% hydroxycinnamic acid 400mg
Sensoril 50mg of total withanolides
L-theanine 100mg
rutaecarpine (RUTA) 100mg
Thank you for the suggestion.

There's a few reasons that this one wouldn't be able to be done exactly like this, so I'll explain them and also use this post to go a little further into conversation about sleep products and my future thoughts for products and the companies.

Phenibut:
I made a detailed post above about what they wouldn't be possible for us to use that in a product now.

Magnesium Bisglycinate Chelate:
  • Albion TRAACS is only 10% active magnesium if I remember correctly, so that would mean that to provide 400 mg. active, that would take 4,000 mg. of powder so you'd be looking at 2 tablets or 4 to 5 capsules just to itself.
  • There are a lot of brands that mislabel this ingredient and put 400 mg. on the label and they're talking about total material, not active content.
  • I would encourage people wanting to use this to use the above information to safeguard themselves and to make sure to only buy this from companies that they know are legit like NOW Foods for example.
  • The high dosages of this make it not a good ingredient candidate for capsule formulation products, which is why I suggest most of the time that if people want to use it, to buy it solo.
Lemon Balm:
  • I am a fan of Lemon Balm extract and we use it in Sleep Assist XT.
  • The reason that we don't identify an exact percentage on the label for Sleep Assist XT is because raw material supplies can vary with this so for example if we were to put >7% and only 6% was available, we would either be violating label claims or have to be out of stock on the product. I hope that makes sense.
Theanine:
  • We use this in Sleep Assist XT.
  • We also use this in Stress & Anxiety Support.
  • I believe we will be using this in the upcoming Sleep Support XT (melatonin-free product)
Sensoril:
  • I am a big fan of this ingredient and remember talking about it on here before hardly anyone knew about it.
  • We use it in Stress & Anxiety Support and it is a great ingredient.
Note: Stress & Anxiety Support contains Sensoril, Theanine, Rhodiola, & Bacopa - excellent product.

Rutaecarpine:
  • This is a tricky one to use in a sleep product because it actually used to be used in some stimulant products and some people associate it with that and that's why you don't see more companies use it in sleep products most likely.
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As of right now, we have Sleep Assist XT which is a great product:


We also have Stress & Anxiety Support which is a great product:


Upcoming Plans or at least what I'm thinking:

SNS Sleep Support XT - melatonin-free sleep support product.

Sleep Shot XT - nighttime sleep support product similar to Sleep Assist XT and its possible we may do a melatonin free flavor.

For CEL, I'm thinking of doing a nighttime anabolic drink mix - like the concept some other brands are doing but with a unique twist on it.
 
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