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bigironkiller

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brief history: went to endoand was diagnosed with secondary hypogonadism and hypothyroid(i tae synthroid 100mcg qd: pointless i think) in 2004. put on test cyp 100 q2wks and went on the roller coaster. went off the test cyp. month or two later i started HCG 1000iu q3d felt a little better but not much. estrogen never got out of control and stayed in the mid to upper of norm and all other labs were pristene: as they still are currently. went back on test cyp at 150mg q10days. i feel great now but endo said at mid to end 2008 wants to try and ween me off: says HTPA might have reset. not crazy about this idea. currently thinking of doing a pre-emtive test and slowly ween myself off the test cyp over a month period and at 1 and 2 months re-test levels. only thing i would take would be fish oil, vit c, vit D3, and LEF Super Miraforte and DHEA. if i start to feel like crap agin i will be keeping my endo up to speed and we will figure things out. only thing i dont understand is that while on HCG my test levels were in the high 700's but i still felt crappy. oh and my DHEA-S were way below the lowest normal range. i know its late and im rambling but what can i do. gonna get a copy of my very first labs in 2004 on monday.
 
bigironkiller said:
brief history: went to endoand was diagnosed with secondary hypogonadism and hypothyroid(i tae synthroid 100mcg qd: pointless i think) in 2004. put on test cyp 100 q2wks and went on the roller coaster. went off the test cyp. month or two later i started HCG 1000iu q3d felt a little better but not much. estrogen never got out of control and stayed in the mid to upper of norm and all other labs were pristene: as they still are currently. went back on test cyp at 150mg q10days. i feel great now but endo said at mid to end 2008 wants to try and ween me off: says HTPA might have reset. not crazy about this idea. currently thinking of doing a pre-emtive test and slowly ween myself off the test cyp over a month period and at 1 and 2 months re-test levels. only thing i would take would be fish oil, vit c, vit D3, and LEF Super Miraforte and DHEA. if i start to feel like crap agin i will be keeping my endo up to speed and we will figure things out. only thing i dont understand is that while on HCG my test levels were in the high 700's but i still felt crappy. oh and my DHEA-S were way below the lowest normal range. i know its late and im rambling but what can i do. gonna get a copy of my very first labs in 2004 on monday.
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Waiting for your labs, all that you ever done between 2004 and now, post name, value, units, ranges, name of laboratory.

In mean time:
Carefull with DHEA
DHEA ---> Androstenodione ---> Estriol E1 (or too much of it)
I prefer to do my T & hcg shots on E2D schedule.
That is shots everyday, one day T the next HCG.
My HCG shot is 380iu (scientifically supported dose and
schedule)
see bottom of my post #62
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-3.html
I use Quest test to adjust my T dose, aim at BAT~575
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You are going to be first who restarted HPTA
but among thousands who tried and feel like a crap untill they have given up.
 
How old are you and did you ever do HRT or other steroids before this? Those issues could impact your Docs thinking.
 
How about your age. He is going to look at you differently depending upon eg you are 24 vs 54.

In other words if you are on the younger side he may be trying to keep you from a lifelone dependence upon exogenous androgens etc. if possible.
 
well i would like that opion too. maybe if i could bring my test levels up uing HCG, clomid, etc, and staying away from test cyp for a longas i can.
 
cpeil2 said:
Androstenedione aromatizes to estrone, I believe.
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Exactly, my bad.

The reason I posted this, I have too much Estrone,
2.5x over top limit, about 5x over what I would like to have.


DHEA ---> Androstenodione ---> Estrone E1

E1 ---> 2-OHE (none detected)
E1 ---> 16a-OHE (100x over the limit)
E1 ---> 4-OHE (1.4 over the top)

I am (was) taking large amounts of DHEA
That is why I posted all this.
I am assuming that if I reduce amount of DHEA at least some downstream estrogenes should get better.

Any ideas?
 
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