Taking low dose clomid while on TRT

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I have a separate personal thread -- but I hope for this thread to be more a general discussion of the merits/pros/cons of taking low dose clomid while on long-term trt ((probably injections)).

I understand that while on trt, clomid won't be super effective, but I am trying to understand whether say one 50mg pill weekly could be enough to keep your lh/fsh ticking over and at least maintain a bit of fertility and testicle size.

This article suggests, that trt and clomid can be taken together with good results. See the case study on the 47 year old man.


"""Clinical practice guidance for the use of clomiphene citrate in Male Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)"""

""" Our case study reflects a five-year study of a 47-year old man seeking treatment for andropause. Baseline levels for total testosterone (TT), free testosterone (FT), estradiol, DHT, LH, and prostate specific antigen (PSA) were measured and recorded at the outset of the HRT. The patient commenced HRT using compounded testosterone cream (CTC) 100 mg applied topically each day. The topically applied CTC was fully absorbed within two hours. Target levels for TT and FT were achieved. After one year on HRT, the patient observed evidence of HPTX down-regulation confirmed by low-normal serum LH levels. The patient was then taken off CTC and given CC 50 mg/day to test the efficacy of CC as monotherapy. The target level range for TT was 750-900 ng/dL and FT was 20-25 pg/mL. As shown in [[Figure 2]](http://www.actamedicainternational.com/viewimage.asp?img=ActaMedInt_2015_2_1_14_209435_f2.jpg), the optimal ranges were based on the testosterone level that a typical male 20-year old would produce.
![\ 150x95](http://www.actamedicainternational.com/articles/2015/2/1/images/ActaMedInt_2015_2_1_14_209435_f2.jpg) Figure 2: Normal total testosterone production with aging
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On CC monotherapy, the patient achieved only 66% of target for TT and less than 66% for FT. Taking 50 mg/day of CC together with 100 mg/day of CTC proved to be too high a dose of T, as serum TT and FT generally exceeded the targeted levels.
After trying various combinations and allowing the body time to adjust to adjuvant therapy, the patient was stabilized to reach target levels for TT and FT on a dose of 25 mg/day CC together with 100 mg/day of CTC. Average post-treatment TT levels were 538 ng/dL in the CC monotherapy portion of the study, and 982 ng/dL when CC was used as adjuvant therapy to HRT. Average post-treatment FT levels were 14.7 pg/mL in the CC monotherapy portion of the study and 22.0 pg/mL in the adjuvant CC portion. CC consumption raised serum luteinizing hormone levels from the lowest quartile with HRT to the mid-point and third quartile of the reference range [1.7, 8.6] mIU/mL."""

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Could this be the best of both worlds? Keep your nuts, the pituitary ticking over, and get the major advantages of straight testosterone supplementation?
 

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I know Dr’s that do describe Clomid with TRT, not sure how good it is though, seems like HCG would be better.
 

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I know Dr’s that do describe Clomid with TRT, not sure how good it is though, seems like HCG would be better.
BBiceps -- really appreciate the data point. I just want to do enough clomid to keep my nuts. If I was married, I wouldn't care. But, being on the open dating market with a shrunken nutsack would not to do good things for my confidence.
 

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BBiceps -- really appreciate the data point. I just want to do enough clomid to keep my nuts. If I was married, I wouldn't care. But, being on the open dating market with a shrunken nutsack would not to do good things for my confidence.
The reason I got off test and started to play with Clomid was because my sperm was “too low to measure”. Now I’m done having kids (I think) so I could get back on test and heavier gear but I feel pretty good and still get results from Clomid. The temptation is there though, I’m not gonna lie...

Btw I doubt no girl ever will notice your “shrunken nutsack”, my wife never noticed that mine had shrunk and some new girl will never know the difference, you have nothing to worry about.
 

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Damn, I know this is an old thread, but, this might be up my alley. BBiceps, once again I do apologize for the lack of context and rude introduction… but, you might find it hard to believe this, I’ve never used a SERM… had to quit for multiple reasons.

Anyways, my body is practically riddled with bad news; bad prostrate, brain, and heart.

I know, I know go see a doctor. And, yeah, I’m a fucking boomer… guess, I’ve been living under a rock.

Nonetheless, I’m done having kids (let’s hope, haha), I like the sound of everything, the T-Boost wouldn’t hurt and it’s probably a lot easier on the overall list of things that AAS/PEDs can bring. Again, just wanted to share… if this becomes a problem, then please, please be a homie and say stop or something.
 

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it’s not like cancer or tumors, just genetics and some surgeries. Been like this for years nothing major… MRIs and all that I’ve got some years left, haha.
 

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Damn, I know this is an old thread, but, this might be up my alley. BBiceps, once again I do apologize for the lack of context and rude introduction… but, you might find it hard to believe this, I’ve never used a SERM… had to quit for multiple reasons.

Anyways, my body is practically riddled with bad news; bad prostrate, brain, and heart.

I know, I know go see a doctor. And, yeah, I’m a fucking boomer… guess, I’ve been living under a rock.

Nonetheless, I’m done having kids (let’s hope, haha), I like the sound of everything, the T-Boost wouldn’t hurt and it’s probably a lot easier on the overall list of things that AAS/PEDs can bring. Again, just wanted to share… if this becomes a problem, then please, please be a homie and say stop or something.
Sorry, I’m not sure I understand, are you telling me something or asking a question?
 

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A little of both, haha.

Old thread, I know and I didn’t plan on anyone chiming in… I couldn’t find an exact answer, necessarily, but I have prescribed HGH, (it’s the only thing that makes me feel normal; as in healthy body functions and whatnot… OTC don’t really cut it, I’m pretty banged up on the inside; it’s better than nothing though) but I’ve never been prescribed any SERMS, nor have I tried any SERMS outside of my normal doctor/clinical visits. I write this because it maybe sooner rather than later, haha.

Technically, this is all still new to me and I was just spitballing/ curious… idk, if you want to call it a restart, but more or less a recovery cycle/process… I doubt I can correct the damage that is already done, nor do I think I can permanently restart my HTPA or whatever… my levels always drop after usage, but in terms of strength it’s far better than OTC and whatnot. I have great results with the whole feel good aspect with Dermacrine and even low dose 4andro works… but levels remain pretty flat after usage.

Just wondering if there’s a recovery cycle type of thing (I don’t know what else to call it) for people with HH wether it’s steroid induced or just plain Ol’ genetics? The temptation of pinning is always there, but I don’t need it… just, need a boost that’s not going to kill me, lol. We all know what it’s like to suffer, and theres only suffering in silence.

Nonetheless, I haven’t been on any Hormone Treatments (yes, treatment not therapy— unless therapy was slang for treatment. I really don’t know which is worse.) in years, everybody already knows what it’s like. Low T, Inability/Decreased Sex Drive; Fatigue/Lethargy/Brain Fog; Lack of confidence/Depression… and a myriad of other secondary health issues/effects.

However, my stems from HH it’s not steroid induced or even remotely steroid specific… somewhat, haha. (mainly, genetics/surgery from birth… trauma.) but, it’s permanent, because it wasn’t ever successfully corrected, so to speak. (HRT was my PCT, if you will. Abused that and I had to resort to other methods.) Long story short, I almost had my specialist/endocrinologist lose her license, and everything else that follows. (it can, and will, have some fall back on the patient… especially, paperwork wise. It’s an easy way of going to jail or worse) I started to lie and hold back the medication and cruise and blast, more or less blast, in some sense… long story short, I got caught in more ways than one.

It would be neat to see what can happen.

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A little of both, haha.

Old thread, I know and I didn’t plan on anyone chiming in… I couldn’t find an exact answer, necessarily, but I have prescribed HGH, (it’s the only thing that makes me feel normal; as in healthy body functions and whatnot… OTC don’t really cut it, I’m pretty banged up on the inside; it’s better than nothing though) but I’ve never been prescribed any SERMS, nor have I tried any SERMS outside of my normal doctor/clinical visits. I write this because it maybe sooner rather than later, haha.

Technically, this is all still new to me and I was just spitballing/ curious… idk, if you want to call it a restart, but more or less a recovery cycle/process… I doubt I can correct the damage that is already done, nor do I think I can permanently restart my HTPA or whatever… my levels always drop after usage, but in terms of strength it’s far better than OTC and whatnot. I have great results with the whole feel good aspect with Dermacrine and even low dose 4andro works… but levels remain pretty flat after usage.

Just wondering if there’s a recovery cycle type of thing (I don’t know what else to call it) for people with HH wether it’s steroid induced or just plain Ol’ genetics? The temptation of pinning is always there, but I don’t need it… just, need a boost that’s not going to kill me, lol. We all know what it’s like to suffer, and theres only suffering in silence.

Nonetheless, I haven’t been on any Hormone Treatments (yes, treatment not therapy— unless therapy was slang for treatment. I really don’t know which is worse.) in years, everybody already knows what it’s like. Low T, Inability/Decreased Sex Drive; Fatigue/Lethargy/Brain Fog; Lack of confidence/Depression… and a myriad of other secondary health issues/effects.

However, my stems from HH it’s not steroid induced or even remotely steroid specific… somewhat, haha. (mainly, genetics/surgery from birth… trauma.) but, it’s permanent, because it wasn’t ever successfully corrected, so to speak. (HRT was my PCT, if you will. Abused that and I had to resort to other methods.) Long story short, I almost had my specialist/endocrinologist lose her license, and everything else that follows. (it can, and will, have some fall back on the patient… especially, paperwork wise. It’s an easy way of going to jail or worse) I started to lie and hold back the medication and cruise and blast, more or less blast, in some sense… long story short, I got caught in more ways than one.

It would be neat to see what can happen.

~Go for Gold!
Haha, I’m even more confused now. Either way, good luck to you, hope you figure it out.
 

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