Sustain Alpha log

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A log describing the effects of using the supplement by Iconic Formulations.

Over the last few months I have been taking a break from working out but recently started dialing in my diet again in order to reduce the amount of fat I have gained over the last year.

At the same time I made the decision to incorporate a prohormone along with dermacrine to help speed up the results. After a week or so on these I began feeling pretty awful, crash in energy, big crash in libido and other issues also happened (I have another thread about this)

After a visit to the GP to get things checked out I am now off of the hormonal supplements and am trying to increase my energy and libido through natural means so currently I've been running optimise T along with ashwagandha for the last couple of weeks or so. I am already feeling a bit better in myself but have decided from this week to add sustain alpha and log how I feel moving forward.

A bit about me, I'm not any kind of muscle bound gorilla. I'm 6 foot tall and currently 180lbs, I've lost 18lbs over the last few weeks through diet and restarting exercise. I'm naturally thin and even when I'm "fat" in clothes I still look lanky and slim. It is what it is it doesn't bother me.

I'm 47.

Other stuff I take is fish oil, CLA, and a fatburner twice a day sometimes substituted with a pre workout if it's a workout day.

I have a wife and kids and work a full time job where sometimes I have to be up at 3:45 am and on other days don't finish until 10pm so very tricky to fit in a solid regime.
 
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If your on a prohormone then the optimize t product is doing nothing, you mine as well put your money in the toilet. Natty hormone boosters don't work when your on cycle.

I also work 10-12 hr days and do 3hours of driving some days, where there's a will there's a way, if you want it you will do it. I might be able to help you in that aspect, getting the most bang for your buck with workout timings. But taking prohormones or steroids while not being able to work out at full full capacity is kind of foolish
 
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If your on a prohormone then the optimize t product is doing nothing, you mine as well put your money in the toilet. Natty hormone boosters don't work when your on cycle.

I also work 10-12 hr days and do 3hours of driving some days, where there's a will there's a way, if you want it you will do it. I might be able to help you in that aspect, getting the most bang for your buck with workout timings. But taking prohormones or steroids while not being able to work out at full full capacity is kind of foolish
Yeah agree. I said in the post that after the docs I came off all the hormone stuff. I think you commented on my other thread about the blood issue. I only ran the prohormone for a couple of weeks and must have been off now for three weeks or so.

Agree about the Peds being pointless if you can't get the workouts in. There's nothing worse that running a five or six week cycle then when things come up in life and you can't workout for a few days. You literally piss every thing down the drain.
 
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Day one, applied this morning... Nothing happened! I think it's bunk!

Just kidding, I believe from what I've read it takes 3 to 5 days to have any kind of effect on how you feel so I will just stay the course and update daily.
 
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Yeah agree. I said in the post that after the docs I came off all the hormone stuff. I think you commented on my other thread about the blood issue. I only ran the prohormone for a couple of weeks and must have been off now for three weeks or so.

Agree about the Peds being pointless if you can't get the workouts in. There's nothing worse that running a five or six week cycle then when things come up in life and you can't workout for a few days. You literally piss every thing down the drain.
Yep I forgot about the other thread
 
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Day 2. Up at 3:45 and applied. Currently applying to lower abdomen and groinal (is that a word?) Region as per instructions. Can't help but wonder if this is necessary or if it says this so that if your taking it along with the likes of dermacrine you are not applying to the same area.

I may switch to upper chest, shoulders and traps as I have less body hair there but for the time being I will follow the instructions.

Given that the product is supposed to effect your brains release of luteinizing and follicle stimulation I'm not sure if rubbing it on inner thighs would make any difference from rubbing on traps.
 
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Day 2. Up at 3:45 and applied. Currently applying to lower abdomen and groinal (is that a word?) Region as per instructions. Can't help but wonder if this is necessary or if it says this so that if your taking it along with the likes of dermacrine you are not applying to the same area.

I may switch to upper chest, shoulders and traps as I have less body hair there but for the time being I will follow the instructions.

Given that the product is supposed to effect your brains release of luteinizing and follicle stimulation I'm not sure if rubbing it on inner thighs would make any difference from rubbing on traps.
From my experience, applying to freshly shaved areas with thin skin gives the best absorption, especially after a hot shower when your pores are open.

Things that affect dht and other sex hormones seem to work better applied around and on the balls 🤷
 
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Day three. Decided to apply to shoulders traps and upper chest and back. Because of less hair and less fat in these areas.

No effects to speak of. Not feeling down at present but no sex drive as such and feeling very lethargic and tired still.

I get decent minimum 7 hours sleep per night but other factors could be at play here. I take 500mg ashwagandha morning and night so may limit this to one serving per day, not sure if morning or night is better for dosing but I know it can cause sedation and tiredness. I also take high stim fat burners daily so I could be suffering from over saturation of receptors and maybe need to cut stims for a while.

Just another note about libido, I am not impotent and don't suffer from any kind of disfunction. I am sexually active and have no problems once things start happening in the bedroom, it's a general lack of libido and sex drive that I am suffering from.
 
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So I'm on about day 5... I think. Not really feeling much of anything. The good news is I'm not feeling down, depressed and the lethargy is less so I suppose from that view point things are good.

Could be just more time off the hormones and my body is doing its best to recover. I've been taking optimize T for about three weeks as I started a couple of weeks before the SA.

I now only take ashwagandha in the evening which helps with lethargy throughout the day. I am splitting optimize T into 2 doses morning and night.

I feel "ok" no crazy libido spikes or anything but no issues in that area when stuff happens.

I take oxyelite pro as my fat burner so I get some alpha yo type effects off that which kill appetite and stuff so could also play havoc with my drive etc.

Also still dieting so In a deficit and losing a couple of pounds a week which also isn't testosterone productive given I'm 6 foot and now 178 lbs. When I hit 175 I start adding a meal back in and that should give me a bit of a boost.

Using 4 pumps a day of sustain alpha now. 2 onto shoulders traps and upper chest and 2 on lower region so covering all my bases.
 
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Just to ask (if anyone is still reading this) am I right in thinking dermacrine is mildly suppressive?
 

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I’m reading. Curious if your libido picks up. As far as your question, I can’t answer that.
 
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Just to ask (if anyone is still reading this) am I right in thinking dermacrine is mildly suppressive?
From what I've read Dermacrine can be mildly supressive if you run it long enough and at a high enough dosage. That being said it isn't anything that should require a full on PCT. A decent test booster should be sufficient.
 
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From what I've read Dermacrine can be mildly supressive if you run it long enough and at a high enough dosage. That being said it isn't anything that should require a full on PCT. A decent test booster should be sufficient.
I would agree you could get by with an otc pct product with Dermacrine being mild. There's some Q&A at the bottom of the Dermacrine page at Strong Supplement Shop here (https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/dermacrine-by-iconic-formulations) that has come recommendations on PCT.
 
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Thanks guys. Just curious. I still have about three weeks worth of dermacrine left and don't really want to bin it. I've binned the halodrol I was using which was fusion labs. I've decided not to trust that brand as I've had three things from them now and I don't believe either are legit. They do something because my side effects were pretty severe but having used CEL h-drol, megavol, superdrol and various sarms over the years with decent results and no ill effects like this I recon I'll steer clear from now on. Once I've ran the full four weeks of sustain alpha I may use the dermacrine just not sure to run it on top of what I'm already doing or stop these, run the dermacrine then run these again as part of a mild pct. Anyway these are questions for the future.
 
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Still no leaps in libido. I'm feeling okay. No real sex drive but no lethargy, no negative mindset. Still working out when I can. Making progress in weights while still losing bodyfat so all things are good in that respect. Optimize T will run out within the next couple of weeks so not sure to get another bottle or maybe try switching to m-test to see if there is a difference.
 
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So into week two of sustain alpha. Nothing to report.
 
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So out of the blue I'm 175lbs on the dot today (was 178lbs yesterday). I'm eating very low carb at the moment so was eating fattier meats and yesterday I cut out some of the more processes meats and protein came mainly from eggs, cheese, steak, chicken breast and protein powder. I recon the reduction in salt had me drop some water weight cos I was also pissing like a race horse.

Anyway I will be adding a small 250 calorie meal (snack?) Back in, possibly with carbs around workouts so should help with my energy levels. My current goal is to maintain about 180lbs but I obviously don't want to just eat and add it all back on as fat .

Sustain alpha I ended up reverting back to 3 pumps a day, two to upper shoulders, traps and chest and one to lower region. I'm still taking optimize T, just 4 in the am because I was forgetting to take my evening dose.

I feel good. No raging hornyness but waking up with boners most mornings which just wasn't happening at all weeks ago and feeling good. I feel as though I'm expecting too much given that these are natural. Weeks ago when things went to shiv I was feeling depressed, very much "what's the point", I had health issues going on and psychological negativity on the daily. That has all gone now. Weather it's down to simply stopping some dodgy h-drol or weather sustain alpha has helped I can't really say but when I really think about it I'm in a much better place so it's a big win so far.
 
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I'm still taking optimize T, just 4 in the am because I was forgetting to take my evening dose.
I always end up doing that as well but I started setting reminders on my phone to take it and then I don't forget :LOL:
 
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In my experiences with ash, over time it would definitely make me lethargic. I don't use it anymore in any products. If you feel you want to keep it in regimen maybe just dose it at night as it does have a chill out affect 😉
 
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In my experiences with ash, over time it would definitely make me lethargic. I don't use it anymore in any products. If you feel you want to keep it in regimen maybe just dose it at night as it does have a chill out affect
Yeah that's what I'm doing. I'm using a brand from my work. It isn't listed as ksm and doesn't tell you what percentage it's yielded so I figure it will be underdosed so was taking 500mg at night and again in the morning. I now only dose at night and I can tell a great difference in energy so it does something. Should possibly switch to a more legit brand but can't argue with £2.99 for thirty caps.
 
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So it feels like something is finally happening. Still subtle stuff. Not suddenly horny or anything but over the last two days I've felt a better general sense of well being, more drive at work and also more aggressive. A little easier to get angry about stuff but sort issues in a much quicker straight to the point way. More energy both mentally and physically. It's hard to explain.
 
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So thought I would update. Things are ticking along fine. I'm feeling much better in myself that I was weeks ago. I can't exactly say if it's the sustain alpha though as I have not tried the same period with no supps to compare. Certainly feel good though. At no point have I had a crazy kick start in libido however some days I feel more than others. This could be down to tiredness and diet as much as anything else. Amount of sleep helps greatly too. I have the last week of sustain alpha to go then I will see what changes happen when off it.

I replaced the optimize T when it finished with innovapharm test. It still contains tongkat Ali plus fenugreek but no resveritol which I get from sustain. It also has tribulus which I thought I would add just to see if libido was affected. I feel pretty much the same on both. Only a week or so in with the innovapharm though.

Just because I can't help it I'm gonna experiment with some arimistane soon. Curious to see if lowering E will have any effect. Dangerous game to play without bloods but it's a substance I've used before. Doesn't suppress natural test and is easy to bounce back from. Plus I have it in 12.5 mg tabs so will be easy to try low doses. I'm just curious if my estrogen is high and if I will get a libido kick from lowering it. Could be the opposite and if I start getting all achy joints and feeling worse I will know my estrogen is already fairly low.
 
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Also just started using ninja zen for sleep. Amazing. Doesn't overdo the gaba. Does have 500mg phenibut per scoop so every day is a no no. Even half a scoop works well though. Because of my random working patterns a good night sleep is paramount.
 
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Because of my random working patterns a good night sleep is paramount.
I would not do well with random working patterns. Kudos to you!
 
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I would not do well with random working patterns. Kudos to you!
I work in retail management. Some shifts are 5:30 am to 3 pm. Others are 11:30 to 9 pm. There is no middle ground and I need an hour of travel before and after so on earlies I'm up at about 3:45 cos I'm having a coffee, omelette and protein shake before I even leave for work. Then on late shifts I don't get to bed until about 10:30. Sometimes I have to work a late then an early straight after. Kinda takes a while to get used to it.
 
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Sometimes I have to work a late then an early straight after. Kinda takes a while to get used to it.
Ah man that would be brutal. I would say I couldn't do a late and an early back to back!
 
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So this past few days I've noticed a boost in libido. Diet has remained pretty much the same. I am reaching my cutting goal weight so have added a small meal back in but we are only talking about evening low fat cottage cheese and prawns with a few cherry tomatoes so it not like I've added in a bunch of extra fats.

I still do three pumps sustain alpha every morning and currently take innovapharm Test which I am attributing this to. I did run a full 4 weeks of optimise T before so could be just a slow build up of fenugreek and tongkat Ali in my system over the past 6 to 8 weeks. Innovapharm Test also adds tribulus.

I have been using ninja zen in the last week to help with sleep. It has 500mg phenibut so I don't use every day... Also the phenibut is legit so proves my theory that predators fusion supplements are complete bunk.

Don't know if phenibut can act as a libido booster so could also be accountable.
 
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Also haven't started the arimistane yet
 
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Also haven't started the arimistane yet
Okay so just shows how much I'm paying attention. Innovapharm test actually includes 3,7 oxo DHEA which apparently is arimistane. So I have actually been getting 72mg per day so glad I didn't start taking more on top. Could account for the libido boost.
 
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Right, been "researching". The test booster I'm using contains 7 oxo DHEA, from what I can understand it's the same as 7 keto DHEA, which incidentally is banned by wada, nice in a natural test booster. I'm trying to work out of it's the same as arimistane that I was going to start taking on top. Some sites say they are the same, some sites say arimistane is derived from 7 keto DHEA and that 7 oxo DHEA has no effect on hormones (test or estrogen) and is more of a thermogenesis compound but arimistane acts as an aromitase inhibitor. I'm just trying to work out if I can stack the two.

Does anyone have any links or info on this cos I'm seeing mixed messages all over the gaf.
 
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So I've decided that dermacrine for whatever reason does not agree with me. Without bloods it's anyone's guess why but within two to three applications my libido completely tanks and I start feeling pretty down.

Now like I said without bloods then who knows what's up? Placebo, lack of sleep, lack of calories, stress at work can all play a part in how I feel day to day. That's twice now though that I have tried to incorporate it back in along with what I'm taking and it just seems so have a negative effect. Most recent is a couple of days ago. 48 hours later and I feel like crap. I stop it, give it a couple of days and my libido and sense of well being creep back up to what I would say is normal or above normal on some days.

Consistently I have been using the following for weeks now.

Sustain alpha 3 pumps per day
Ashwagandha every evening pre bed
Test booster: DAA, tribulus, tongkat Ali, fenugreek, arimistane

I use two different sleep supplements on and off

Axe and sledge dozer and ninja zen

I take vit D3, a multi, fish oil, CLA every day too.

I feel pretty good on these.

I'm gonna run until they are done and will maybe try a natural anabolic or, at the risk of screwing everything up again maybe a mild cycle consisting of 4 andro, Andarine and arimistane.

This is a couple of weeks away so will see.
 
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I would say that sustain alpha and innovapharm test have given me the best libido and well being boosts so far though. The alpha is due to run out within a week so I will continue with just the test booster and see if anything changes. I do seem to feel better than I did on sustain alpha and optimize T but for all I know maybe they tongkat Ali and fenugreek just need to build up in your system to get maximum benefit. Maybe a coincidence that I felt even better after switching to something with a few of the same ingredients.
 
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So I guess I'm ending this here. After stopping the sustain alpha I actually started getting sensitivity in one of my nipples. Absolutely no idea why when I'm removing a test booster from the equation. Also why I would get from natural supps in the first place, unless innovapharm are spiking their stuff.

I decided to run my 4 andro cycle as I started taking arimistane anyway to see if my estrogen had been raised.(all guesswork without bloods).

I forgot what cycling was like. First week and I'm trying to second guess AI doses while combating lethargy and trying to Ballance everything. I recon I'll see if things stabilise, run this for four weeks then it will be just natural supps from here on out. I had this stuff in the cupboard so though I would use it but I was very happy with the results I was getting on optimize T/sustain Alpha and later innovapharm Test. I'm getting too old for cycles.

I want to try throwing in a natural anabolic. Anabolic xt is far too expensive for my taste so I recon I will revert back to optimize T/sustain alpha and maybe add in something like vector.

I've come to the conclusion that I'm never gonna get the alpha male libido boost that some get and if I'm feeling generally upbeat and content with life then I'm winning.
 
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So for what it's worth I think that long term tongkat Ali use actually causes gyno for me. Seems strange when it's an ingredient that many gear users would argue does nothing whatsoever. As I said before I started getting tingles in one nipple which ended up developing into a hardish lump under the skin on the left side. I pulled the plug on all sups except I got some inhibit P. So have been just running that. Sensitivity went away. Lump has remained. Not too bothered, you can't see it I just know it's there and it can be a little sore from time to time. Doctor's visits were off as I ended up contacting COVID. After a couple of weeks I decided to add m test back in and within a few days nipples feel very sensitive again. Something in there is causing this and looking at common ingredients across the supps I've used in the last couple of months or so tongkat Ali seems to be the only consistent. Strange but true
 
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So for what it's worth I think that long term tongkat Ali use actually causes gyno for me. Seems strange when it's an ingredient that many gear users would argue does nothing whatsoever. As I said before I started getting tingles in one nipple which ended up developing into a hardish lump under the skin on the left side. I pulled the plug on all sups except I got some inhibit P. So have been just running that. Sensitivity went away. Lump has remained. Not too bothered, you can't see it I just know it's there and it can be a little sore from time to time. Doctor's visits were off as I ended up contacting COVID. After a couple of weeks I decided to add m test back in and within a few days nipples feel very sensitive again. Something in there is causing this and looking at common ingredients across the supps I've used in the last couple of months or so tongkat Ali seems to be the only consistent. Strange but true
We would not argue that it's does "nothing" but it doesn't really do a lot for testosterone or muscle growth, it does however have studies that show it increases estrogen, I saw one that shows a 32% increase in estrogen.

This is why I don't really put any trust in studies tho. If you wanted to argue that tongkat lowers estrogen, well there's a bunch of studies to back it up. If you wanted argue that it raises estrogen, well, there's also lots of studies to back it up too.

If the latter studies are "true" then
Say if you naturally had high estrogen to begin with, a 20-30% increase could be quite significant.

My question is do you know you have actual gyno. There's lumps and glandular tissue behind or around the nipples? Or just a itchy tingling type feeling.

Sorry I don't remember if this was already talked about.

If you have tissue or itchy nips then now is probably a good time to get on nolva or raloxefine and put the breaks on it before it's too late
 
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We would not argue that it's does "nothing" but it doesn't really do a lot for testosterone or muscle growth, it does however have studies that show it increases estrogen, I saw one that shows a 32% increase in estrogen.

This is why I don't really put any trust in studies tho. If you wanted to argue that tongkat lowers estrogen, well there's a bunch of studies to back it up. If you wanted argue that it raises estrogen, well, there's also lots of studies to back it up too.

If the latter studies are "true" then
Say if you naturally had high estrogen to begin with, a 20-30% increase could be quite significant.

My question is do you know you have actual gyno. There's lumps and glandular tissue behind or around the nipples? Or just a itchy tingling type feeling.

Sorry I don't remember if this was already talked about.

If you have tissue or itchy nips then now is probably a good time to get on nolva or raloxefine and put the breaks on it before it's too late
Apart from inhibit p the breaks have been on for weeks. M test is the only other thing I've taken on and off. I have an elongated lump slightly to the left of my left nipple which is kinda tubular shaped. Combined with sensitive nipples. I did bloods a while ago and had very low T levels so I think even dabbling in natural test boosters is possibly throwing things out of whack. I did 4 weeks of sustain alpha and optimize T then about three weeks of innovapharm test before tingles began so I guess some of this stuff could have been building up in my system for a while. Going to NHS doctor will not answer any of these. I can pay £75 to get full bloodwork but again my doctor will do nothing with the results.
 
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Apart from inhibit p the breaks have been on for weeks. M test is the only other thing I've taken on and off. I have an elongated lump slightly to the left of my left nipple which is kinda tubular shaped. Combined with sensitive nipples. I did bloods a while ago and had very low T levels so I think even dabbling in natural test boosters is possibly throwing things out of whack. I did 4 weeks of sustain alpha and optimize T then about three weeks of innovapharm test before tingles began so I guess some of this stuff could have been building up in my system for a while. Going to NHS doctor will not answer any of these. I can pay £75 to get full bloodwork but again my doctor will do nothing with the results.
Ok I'm starting to remember now. It really sucks that the Dr. Won't help. Can you get a referral to a specialist? Endo or something similar?
 
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I can go private. I think that's the only way to get everything checked I would like. About £130 initial consultation then monthly treatments start at £80 depending what the feel you "need".

To be honest I feel okay in myself. Increase in estrogen has maybe increased libido and sense of wellbeing. Just annoying having sensitive chest, clothes rub and some days it's constantly there.
 
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I've also realised that ashwaghanda is also something that has been consistently introduced over the last two months. In m test, optimise T and even though I've stopped those it's also in ghost burn which I'm currently using.
 
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So apart from tingles going away going cold turkey for a couple of weeks hasn't really changed much. I finally have tamoxifen now so gonna run 20/20/10/10 for what it's worth.

I will probably reintroduce m test and treat like a pct.
 

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