Arimistane is a form of 7 oxo dhea nearly identical to reduce xt. Reduce xt is 7 oxygenated keto dhea
3beta, 7beta-dihydroxy-5-androsten-3-one (7beta-OH-DHEA) reduce xt b isomer
3beta-hydroxy-5-androstene-7,17-dione (7-oxo-DHEA)"arimistane"
Both 7 keto dhea derivatives. Nearly identical
I like you and don't want to argue about this; so let's please agree to disagree on this one.
Also, I didn't mean my post disrespectfully because I really did think there may have been some confusion since your post said Reduce XT was 7-keto when its actually 7OH.
And I wasn't disagreeing in that people stacking the two need to watch their dosages. I had advised him of similar to what you were referring to anyway in that he may want to lower his dose on the Eradicate-E to 50 mg, but he's ran it at 75 mg. with no problems so he wants to go with 75 mg. and would cut back if he has issues.
As for the ingredient similarities, it was discussed in great detail back when PES released the Arimistane ingredient and Cooper, Synapsin, and many others discussed the differences; and that just because they appear similar doesn't mean that they are.
This is actually the first time I've seen this viewpoint brought up since then and that's been 5+ years; but you're certainly free to believe what you'd like. I'm not saying they don't appear similar in terms of structure; but their results tend to be quite different in a lot of people, including me.
They're all great ingredients but to the average person, the results are going to be different for most people.
7OH (Reduce XT, and the Original Lean Xtreme by DS) has been commonly used in PCT for cortisol control for many years and is also commonly used for fat loss. I respond very well to this myself.
7OXO/7-Keto - is predominantly used in fat loss products and does help with cortisol control, although not to nearly as much of a pronounced degree as 7OH. 7OXO/7-Keto is also used in several topical fat loss products; both systemic and localized. I don't get much out of this orally but I did really well off Ab-Solved last summer which has localized 7OXO in it.
Androsta-3, 5-diene-7, 17-dione - was introduced and commonly used for estrogen control purposes. When it was first released, it wasn't marketed at all for cortisol control purposes and people disagreed for years whether it actually did that or not. And I think that was pretty much because it does help some people in terms of cortisol control but not others.
^^^ I'm a great example of that. My autoimmune condition requires that I get a lot of blood work done. I've had bloodwork done numerous times on Reduce XT and saw a decrease. I've had bloodwork done on Suppress-C and saw a cortisol decrease. And I've had bloodwork done on Androsta-3, 5-diene-7, 17-dione and not seen a decrease; but I realize that it does cause a decrease in some people, just not me apparently. But also, where some people say they don't see much in the way of an estrogen decrease from this, I do and its pretty apparent in my physique when I use it; but I also realize that some people don't see the anti-e effects from it as much as me.
I can also tell you from a cost standpoint, they are nowhere in the same realm. Arimistane being the cheapest per kg; 7OXO generic being more expensive than that; 7-Keto branded being more expensive than that; and then 7OH being around 3 times higher than that. Heck, I wish the raws on 7OH were in the same cost range as the other two haha.
