Strength Stack

InItForGainz

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Looking to add another a natty anabolic/strength builder to stack with my amentoflavone to really push out those last few reps.
So which do you think would best suit this goal?

Urolithin-B + Amentoflavone XT
OR
Recomp20 + Amentoflavone XT

I've used all but Urolithin-B before and amentoflavone is a one of my pre-workout staples, the others being Prime-XT and Creatine.
 
InItForGainz said:
Looking to add another a natty anabolic/strength builder to stack with my amentoflavone to really push out those last few reps.
So which do you think would best suit this goal?

Urolithin-B + Amentoflavone XT
OR
Recomp20 + Amentoflavone XT

I've used all but Urolithin-B before and amentoflavone is a one of my pre-workout staples, the others being Prime-XT and Creatine.
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Have you used Anabolic XT before? I'm thinking that you have, but my brain is on overload with the Black Friday sales going haha.

The reason I ask is that I love Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect for increasing muscular endurance and helping me get the last few reps and being stronger later in my workouts.

If I were picking just between Urolithin-B XT and Recomp20, for me personally I would choose Recomp20 - BUT - I am basing that off that I haven't used the high dosages that some people are using on Urolithin-B XT. But a lot of people on here have reported excellent results with going higher on their dosages of Urolithin-B XT, but I haven't tried that yet myself.
 
sns8778 said:
Have you used Anabolic XT before? I'm thinking that you have, but my brain is on overload with the Black Friday sales going haha.

The reason I ask is that I love Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect for increasing muscular endurance and helping me get the last few reps and being stronger later in my workouts.

If I were picking just between Urolithin-B XT and Recomp20, for me personally I would choose Recomp20 - BUT - I am basing that off that I haven't used the high dosages that some people are using on Urolithin-B XT. But a lot of people on here have reported excellent results with going higher on their dosages of Urolithin-B XT, but I haven't tried that yet myself.
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I havw used both Anabolic-XT and Anabolic Effect previously, at least six months straight on both, and Anabolic Effect probably three times now.
I know AnabolicXT is technically better, but I seem to get better results on Anabolic Effect.

Recomp20 always helped me get me THAT last rep, but from what I've read Urolithin-B would get me those last TWO-THREE reps.
 
InItForGainz said:
I havw used both Anabolic-XT and Anabolic Effect previously, at least six months straight on both, and Anabolic Effect probably three times now.
I know AnabolicXT is technically better, but I seem to get better results on Anabolic Effect.

Recomp20 always helped me get me THAT last rep, but from what I've read Urolithin-B would get me those last TWO-THREE reps.
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I was thinking that you had used them, but my brain is on overload tonight haha.

There really is not one that is better than the other between Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT, its really whichever works best for the individual and also what a person is looking for.

Recomp20 helps me get more reps and is great for recomp and I feel better on it.

I think if you're comparing normal dosages, then Recomp20 is the way to go.

But if you're thinking of dosing it much higher, like a lot of people are doing now, then Urolithin-B XT may be better for what you're looking for. I can't say on that because I haven't mega dosed it yet myself.
 
sns8778 said:
There really is not one that is better than the other between Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT, its really whichever works best for the individual and also what a person is looking for.
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You can't go wrong with either in my opinion!
 
sns8778 said:
I was thinking that you had used them, but my brain is on overload tonight haha.

There really is not one that is better than the other between Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT, its really whichever works best for the individual and also what a person is looking for.

Recomp20 helps me get more reps and is great for recomp and I feel better on it.

I think if you're comparing normal dosages, then Recomp20 is the way to go.

But if you're thinking of dosing it much higher, like a lot of people are doing now, then Urolithin-B XT may be better for what you're looking for. I can't say on that because I haven't mega dosed it yet myself.
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When you say mega dose, how much are we talking? I know it's 150mg per cap
 
InItForGainz said:
Probably a dumb question, but is there a big difference between 2 caps and 6? Because even with Black Friday, that's a bit beyond "extras" budget
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According the the opinions I could find in the Urolithin-B thread yes, it's a big difference

I don't know because I jumped straight onto 6 caps combined with 1 cap Alpha-One and I don't regret it. Worth every cent for me
 
Mx1x1 said:
According the the opinions I could find in the Urolithin-B thread yes, it's a big difference

I don't know because I jumped straight onto 6 caps combined with 1 cap Alpha-One and I don't regret it. Worth every cent for me
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When are you dosing the 6 caps?

I wonder if this would work in a transdermal and offer any additional benefits?
 
kid amnesiac said:
When are you dosing the 6 caps?

I wonder if this would work in a transdermal and offer any additional benefits?
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I dose 2 caps 3 times a day

2 when waking up with my Alpha-One
2 exactly in the middle of my awake time
2 close to bed
(And extra 150mg I get from Olympus Labs Ep1logue inbetween)

Don't know about the transdermal but interested as well
 
kid amnesiac said:
When are you dosing the 6 caps?

I wonder if this would work in a transdermal and offer any additional benefits?
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It's not a good candidate for a td. The oral bioavailability isn't bad - just some people have just found very good success trying very high dosages of it. But since the oral bioavailability isn't bad, being a td wouldn't offer that benefit at a lower dosage either.

Also, there would be some patent issues with doing a td. Anyone doing it would get sued.
 
InItForGainz said:
Probably a dumb question, but is there a big difference between 2 caps and 6? Because even with Black Friday, that's a bit beyond "extras" budget
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That's what I meant in my posts about depending on whether we were comparing suggested use or to people mega dosing it.

Urolithin-B XT is a great product at the 2 caps per day suggested use, but the people taking 6 of them report much better results but that is a pricey dose.
 
Is Urolithin-B a supplement that works straight away, or is it a build up effect type of thing and takes a few weeks to notice like Prime-XT?
 
InItForGainz said:
Is Urolithin-B a supplement that works straight away, or is it a build up effect type of thing and takes a few weeks to notice like Prime-XT?
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That’s what I’m wondering. Maybe 2 on off days then 6 on lifting days with 4 pre-workout. I may try that as I’m sitting on 4-5 bottles
 
InItForGainz said:
Is Urolithin-B a supplement that works straight away, or is it a build up effect type of thing and takes a few weeks to notice like Prime-XT?
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Like pretty much all natural anabolic style ingredients/products there may be some benefits you notice quickly, but in general it is going to take a bit of time before they fully manifest/are noticeable.
 
InItForGainz said:
New pre-workout stack
2 caps Urolithin-B
2 caps Amentoflavone-XT
2/3 caps Prime-XT
5g Creatine
Usual pre-workout
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Looks like a pretty good set up for results!
 
Arachidonic Acid and Phosphatidic Acid are both really good for strength gains. In my opinion and experience there is nothing better for size and strength than ARA+PA
 
Been through a AE + AXT stack “natty cycle” once and it was very impressive for natty builders. Can’t recommend enough
Another option is “overdosing” PA-XT. At 4 caps twice a day (8/day total) the strength increase and all day fullness are crazy!
 
LucasBagoDoce said:
Another option is “overdosing” PA-XT. At 4 caps twice a day (8/day total) the strength increase and all day fullness are crazy!
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That would be interesting. I haven't done that before. May have to give it a try!
 
LucasBagoDoce said:
Been through a AE + AXT stack “natty cycle” once and it was very impressive for natty builders. Can’t recommend enough
Another option is “overdosing” PA-XT. At 4 caps twice a day (8/day total) the strength increase and all day fullness are crazy!
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I can second this. PA was very effective at a higher dose for muscle fullness and some added strength. The only issue would be Mediator PA can be pricey

Slims said:
Arachidonic Acid and Phosphatidic Acid are both really good for strength gains. In my opinion and experience there is nothing better for size and strength than ARA+PA
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Interesting that you recommend this as both work through the opposite pathway. ARA is pro inflammatory while PA is anti inflammatory.

I have seen guys running both of them and dosing at separate times of the day to avoid the interaction. I didn't respond very well to ARA personally.. remember trying it a few years ago and dropped it
 
ugsavage said:
I can second this. PA was very effective at a higher dose for muscle fullness and some added strength. The only issue would be Mediator PA can be pricey


Interesting that you recommend this as both work through the opposite pathway. ARA is pro inflammatory while PA is anti inflammatory.

I have seen guys running both of them and dosing at separate times of the day to avoid the interaction. I didn't respond very well to ARA personally.. remember trying it a few years ago and dropped it
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I've only actually ever heard of them being used synergistically and not that PA is really anti-inflammatory, unsure what opposite mechanism of action is being proposed..

I don't really want to get too off topic, but resistance training in and of itself is an inflammatory process. Both ArA and PA effect the inflammatory response and cytokine response to exercise and part of the reason for the benefits is a boost in these inflammatory signals. It is way too myopic to try and distill things down to "inflammatory is bad" and "anti-inflammatory is good".
 
Resolve10 said:
I've only actually ever heard of them being used synergistically and not that PA is really anti-inflammatory, unsure what opposite mechanism of action is being proposed..

I don't really want to get too off topic, but resistance training in and of itself is an inflammatory process. Both ArA and PA effect the inflammatory response and cytokine response to exercise and part of the reason for the benefits is a boost in these inflammatory signals. It is way too myopic to try and distill things down to "inflammatory is bad" and "anti-inflammatory is good".
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Synergistically? While that could prove to be true for a certain group of people, it seems unlikely.

I am basing my opinion off 20 plus years of using AAS and supplements. ArA was highly inflammatory at the recommended dose. Every minor little injury I ever experienced seemed to have resurfaced and my joints felt like they were on fire. Not to mention the DOMS after a workout would be completely amplified making it very difficult to recover from workouts.

Even though on paper ArA seems to be harmless, I don't personally agree with the literature. And it just wasn't worth the risk to me. Both Ara and supplemental carnitine I avoid completely
 
ugsavage said:
Synergistically? While that could prove to be true for a certain group of people, it seems unlikely.

I am basing my opinion off 20 plus years of using AAS and supplements. ArA was highly inflammatory at the recommended dose. Every minor little injury I ever experienced seemed to have resurfaced and my joints felt like they were on fire. Not to mention the DOMS after a workout would be completely amplified making it very difficult to recover from workouts.

Even though on paper ArA seems to be harmless, I don't personally agree with the literature. And it just wasn't worth the risk to me. Both Ara and supplemental carnitine I avoid completely
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Ok sorry you’ve had a poor experience.

For those who don’t have negative experiences with ArA it should hypothetically be synergistic with PA based on the mechanisms of action for both, not contradictory.
 
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Resolve10 said:
Ok sorry you’ve had a poor experience.

For those who don’t have negative experiences with ArA it should hypothetically be synergistic with PA based on the mechanism isms of action for both, not contradictory.
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I've been using supplements for about 15 years now and have tried more natty anabolics and natty anabolic stacks than I could list, nothing comes close to the ARA+PA stack on terms of strength and size.
 
Slims said:
I've been using supplements for about 15 years now and have tried more natty anabolics and natty anabolic stacks than I could list, nothing comes close to the ARA+PA stack on terms of strength and size.
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I enjoyed PA, not as much as some other things, but I ran ArA a ton of times. A bunch of the old standard “50 day cycles” of MN ArA then at least once of SNS initial run that I recall being lots of pills, then at least once playing with higher dosing with SNS.

I always say I should run it again but never do. Maybe 2025 haha
 
Resolve10 said:
I enjoyed PA, not as much as some other things, but I ran ArA a ton of times. A bunch of the old standard “50 day cycles” of MN ArA then at least once of SNS initial run that I recall being lots of pills, then at least once playing with higher dosing with SNS.

I always say I should run it again but never do. Maybe 2025 haha
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I ran MN's ARA (X-Factor and X-Factor Advanced) and Muscle Tech's Phospha Muscle, when PA first hit the market. I ran both as stand alones and stacked, stacked just delivered SO much more in terms of results. My last three runs have been SNS' X-Gels with their Phosphatidic Acid-XT and even after 17 years of lifting it still provides awesome strength and size gains.
 
Resolve10 said:
Ok sorry you’ve had a poor experience.

For those who don’t have negative experiences with ArA it should hypothetically be synergistic with PA based on the mechanisms of action for both, not contradictory.
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Slims said:
I ran MN's ARA (X-Factor and X-Factor Advanced) and Muscle Tech's Phospha Muscle, when PA first hit the market. I ran both as stand alones and stacked, stacked just delivered SO much more in terms of results. My last three runs have been SNS' X-Gels with their Phosphatidic Acid-XT and even after 17 years of lifting it still provides awesome strength and size gains.
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There's handfuls of guys on this board that don't use AA for several different reasons. I'm not saying that the science isn't behind this compound because on paper AA should work very well. But there is also an inherent risk associated with it and increasing Mtor levels in general have been associated with different risks. So obviously if AA is increasing Mtor way more then anything like Leucine and PA, then there would be a substantial difference in this pathway between the compounds
 
ugsavage said:
There's handfuls of guys on this board that don't use AA for several different reasons. I'm not saying that the science isn't behind this compound because on paper AA should work very well. But there is also an inherent risk associated with it and increasing Mtor levels in general have been associated with different risks. So obviously if AA is increasing Mtor way more then anything like Leucine and PA, then there would be a substantial difference in this pathway between the compounds
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I know a lot of people that don't or can't use ARA due to it increasing inflammation over all, flaring up previous injuries snd joint problems. Which is why I think would make it a great candidate for somebody making a transdermal version with a localised carrier... Looking at you @sns8778 👀
 
Slims said:
I know a lot of people that don't or can't use ARA due to it increasing inflammation over all, flaring up previous injuries snd joint problems. Which is why I think would make it a great candidate for somebody making a transdermal version with a localised carrier... Looking at you @sns8778 👀
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We would be open to that if there was enough interest.

My first thought though is that people wouldn't get the same strength benefits from localized, but I could be wrong. I'll look into it more. I think that they likely would get pumps, but not as good as with XPG Pump Gel.
 
sns8778 said:
We would be open to that if there was enough interest.

My first thought though is that people wouldn't get the same strength benefits from localized, but I could be wrong. I'll look into it more. I think that they likely would get pumps, but not as good as with XPG Pump Gel.
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I'd think/hope there would be as it would decrease the joint and injury flare up problems that people get with the overall inflammation from oral ARA. A localised carrier could also help bring up lagging body parts... But again, I could be wrong. Very interesting though
 
ugsavage said:
There's handfuls of guys on this board that don't use AA for several different reasons. I'm not saying that the science isn't behind this compound because on paper AA should work very well. But there is also an inherent risk associated with it and increasing Mtor levels in general have been associated with different risks. So obviously if AA is increasing Mtor way more then anything like Leucine and PA, then there would be a substantial difference in this pathway between the compounds
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Arachidonic Acid is a great ingredient, but isn't for everyone.

People with autoimmune conditions should not take it, or ask their doctor about taking it before doing so.

In reply to what you said:
There's handfuls of guys on this board that don't use AA for several different reasons.

The average person will experience increased soreness (DOMS) in the muscles that they work, but will not experience much, if any injury aggravation, joint pain, etc. However, some people may, and it may be more likely in people that have had a lot of wear and tear over the years.

As for soreness and DOMS itself, some people love the increased soreness and brag about it like its a badge of honor, other people hate it; it's not that either side is right or wrong, it depends on the person.

In reply to the part where you said:
I'm not saying that the science isn't behind this compound because on paper AA should work very well.

The science definitely supports Arachidonic Acid increasing strength and building muscle, and the common feedback lines up with the science. There's also a lot of research and science on ARA for a lot of overall health benefits.

There is so much research going on related to ARA and various health benefits, its on my list of things to write an article on that subject about in the future. I was surprised myself when I looked back into it to see how many different things its being studied and showing promise for.

In reply to the part where you said:
So obviously if AA is increasing Mtor way more then anything like Leucine and PA, then there would be a substantial difference in this pathway between the compounds.

I'm confused on what you meant by this part because I've never heard of anyone making an argument for Arachidonic Acid increasing mTOR like Phosphatidic Acid would, but I didn't think that's what you were talking about earlier either, because earlier in the thread you were saying they would be contradictory. I could see why one at first glance would think they may be, but they actually aren't, they compliment and stack with each other very well.

X-Gels and Phosphatidic Acid XT is a very popular stack for people that can use ARA and is excellent for strength gains and muscle fullness.

For people that like the pumps from Arachidonic Acid but that can't use Arachidonic Acid, a lot of people compare the pumps and fullness of Alpha One to those from X-Gels, but without the soreness.
 
Slims said:
I'd think/hope there would be as it would decrease the joint and injury flare up problems that people get with the overall inflammation from oral ARA. A localised carrier could also help bring up lagging body parts... But again, I could be wrong. Very interesting though
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It would decrease the injury flareups for people that experience those with oral ARA, but the way that ARA helps with strength and building muscle is via a systemic response. There would be some localized benefit, but it wouldn't be nearly as evident as taking it orally/systemically.

Interesting thought. I'll ask Par for his opinion as well.
 
Resolve10 said:
For those who don’t have negative experiences with ArA it should hypothetically be synergistic with PA based on the mechanisms of action for both, not contradictory.
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Agreed. For people that can use X-Gels, it makes for a great stack with Phosphatidic Acid XT.

The inflammation subject with ARA is so much more in depth than a lot of people realize. I know you like to research things. Something that might interest you, or others that like to deep dive into things, is the research on inflammation resolution associated with ARA.

Arachidonic Acid metabolites can contribute to inflammation, but interestingly have also been shown to lead to the generation of mediators that resolve inflammation and help with wound healing.
 
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sns8778 said:
Agreed. For people that can use X-Gels, it makes for a great stack with Phosphatidic Acid XT.
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Killer stack for sure! Really glad we carry both of these at Strong Supplement Shop to!
 
ugsavage said:
There's handfuls of guys on this board that don't use AA for several different reasons. I'm not saying that the science isn't behind this compound because on paper AA should work very well. But there is also an inherent risk associated with it and increasing Mtor levels in general have been associated with different risks. So obviously if AA is increasing Mtor way more then anything like Leucine and PA, then there would be a substantial difference in this pathway between the compounds
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Ok I wasn't really trying to get too off topic in someone else's thread and don't really follow where you are going with this. I was just pointing out the inherent inconsistencies in calling PA anti-inflammatory vs ArA being inflammatory, how that wasn't really the case, and how in theory they make a lot of sense together.

I don't want to get any more off topic and Steve seems to have probably covered it anyways.
 
Resolve10 said:
Ok I wasn't really trying to get too off topic in someone else's thread and don't really follow where you are going with this. I was just pointing out the inherent inconsistencies in calling PA anti-inflammatory vs ArA being inflammatory, how that wasn't really the case, and how in theory they make a lot of sense together.

I don't want to get any more off topic and Steve seems to have probably covered it anyways.
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My apologies. I had some time to dig up the literature that I had remembered stumbling upon in regards to PA being anti inflammatory and it turns out that I was reading about cyclic PA (cPA) which is actually an analogue of LPA.

Again that's my bad for getting ahead of myself. However the research on different analogues like cPA are very promising in the literature

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Cyclic phosphatidic acid - a unique bioactive phospholipid - PubMed

Cyclic phosphatidic acid (CPA) is a naturally occurring analog of the growth factor-like phospholipid mediator, lysophosphatidic acid (LPA). The sn-2 hydroxy group of CPA forms a 5-membered ring with the sn-3 phosphate. CPA affects numerous cellular functions, including anti-mitogenic regulation...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Interestingly enough although PA does in fact activate Mtor, it also has the ability to regulate the inflammatory response which would explain a possible "synergy" between PA and AA.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Phosphatidic acid regulates systemic inflammatory responses by modulating the Akt-mammalian target of rapamycin-p70 S6 kinase 1 pathway - PubMed

Macrophages are pivotal effector cells in the innate immune system. When microbial products bind to pathogen recognition receptors, macrophages are activated and release a broad array of mediators, such as cytokines, that orchestrate the inflammatory responses of the host. Phosphatidic acid (PA)...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
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