Stim preworkout product suggestions

uforce

uforce

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • First Up Vote
Wasting their money & missing out on thyroid support - iodized salt costs nothing and people avoiding it are probably not getting enough unless supplementing with iodine drops or kelp.
salt is the devil
 
JKVol

JKVol

Active member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
Wasting their money & missing out on thyroid support - iodized salt costs nothing and people avoiding it are probably not getting enough unless supplementing with iodine drops or kelp.
What’s the idea behind adding in salt? I’ve seen this but never tried it.
 

Jeremyk1

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • RockStar
What’s the idea behind adding in salt? I’ve seen this but never tried it.
I always add salt to preworkout shakes. It’s for electrolyte balance. Sodium before and during workouts is beneficial due to the gradient your body maintains. Intercellular potassium and extra cellular sodium form a gradient for more or less electrical conductivity. Good for muscle contraction. On the other side, if you increase extra cellular potassium, it can actually do the opposite. You would need a lot to actually be detrimental, but before and during workouts, lean more toward sodium.
 
Hyde

Hyde

Legend
Awards
5
  • RockStar
  • Legend!
  • Established
  • Best Answer
  • First Up Vote
What’s the idea behind adding in salt? I’ve seen this but never tried it.
Stay hydrated & keep muscles full to maintain power, avoid cramps/injuries from dehydration, & get better pumps.

Also, less carbs you take in overall, more sodium you will need to accomplish these things.

Guys dieting hard or on ketogenic diets especially need even more sodium preWO. Best pump product there is.
 

N2ofusion

Active member
Awards
2
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
Do you have the ingredient panel?

There fat burner looks like a nightmare for the Y sensitive with three forms and 15mg total per cap. I don't think I have ever seen that much lol.
View attachment 212690
Is that legit? A lot of the ones on eBay with 10 mg advertised were deemed fake by reviewers
 
Oriza7

Oriza7

Member
Awards
0
Just finished whole thread as I am looking for a pwo as well.
Been a stim junkie over the years until past year. Had to take a long break cause nothing was having any effect anymore. Lol
Been on non stims for past year or so. Ready to get that rush again.
What intrigued me the most from thread was Zeus. Didn't read anything bad from it so far.
I workout in mornings and looking for that rush with a feel good mood. Obviously no crash afterwards. Recommend Zeus to get back on Stims? Any more feedback would be much appreciated.
 
ELROCK

ELROCK

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • First Up Vote
Just finished whole thread as I am looking for a pwo as well.
Been a stim junkie over the years until past year. Had to take a long break cause nothing was having any effect anymore. Lol
Been on non stims for past year or so. Ready to get that rush again.
What intrigued me the most from thread was Zeus. Didn't read anything bad from it so far.
I workout in mornings and looking for that rush with a feel good mood. Obviously no crash afterwards. Recommend Zeus to get back on Stims? Any more feedback would be much appreciated.
Zeus should be a good one for you because it is strong, but I never get overstimulated by it. It’s a smooth energy with a mood boost. It’s not euphoric like a dmaa product, but those all seem to come with a noticeable crash.
 
Oriza7

Oriza7

Member
Awards
0
Zeus should be a good one for you because it is strong, but I never get overstimulated by it. It’s a smooth energy with a mood boost. It’s not euphoric like a dmaa product, but those all seem to come with a noticeable crash.
Thanks. Very curious about it. Not looking to get overstimulated also. Think those times are over as I get older. Lol

Read about Wild Thing as well. Have you gave that a whirl?
 
ELROCK

ELROCK

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • First Up Vote
Thanks. Very curious about it. Not looking to get overstimulated also. Think those times are over as I get older. Lol

Read about Wild Thing as well. Have you gave that a whirl?
I haven’t tried Wild Thing. Looks pretty good.
 

N2ofusion

Active member
Awards
2
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
I pulled it from their own website so I hope that it's legit lol.
Just wondering if the product really has that advertised dose. That’s a LOT of Y but there’s little to no reviews from what I’ve seen
 
Oriza7

Oriza7

Member
Awards
0
Has anyone tried this? Saying it's close to the old jack3d. Doubt it but very curious. Lol
Screenshot_20220214-134425_Samsung Internet.jpg
Screenshot_20220214-134455_Samsung Internet.jpg
 
Last edited:
Oriza7

Oriza7

Member
Awards
0
Just from label I’d guess it won’t touch the og. DMAA from ten years ago also was a little different than the dmaa & dmha options out now.
Agreed. Might have to give a try though. I'll touch base if I do.
 
JKVol

JKVol

Active member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
I picked up some 10:1 Barlowe’s Catuaba Bark Extract 500mg. I really like it. Gives me a little extra kick and motivation. PWO pump is outstanding. I added 2 caps to MA’s Collision Course. For 15$ it’s well worth it IMO. @%1;
 
Last edited:
BCseacow83

BCseacow83

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
Has anyone tried this? Saying it's close to the old jack3d. Doubt it but very curious. LolView attachment 212723View attachment 212724
If you are comparing it to the current version of jacked which is this:
212754


Then they are pretty darn close and are both made by the same parent company so likely pretty close. If you add the weight of the USP labs one at three scoops it equals the same 12,435mg so pretty close. If you are still not sure I would encourage you to keep looking at the current USP labs one is back in stock at a few places in select flavors.
 
Oriza7

Oriza7

Member
Awards
0
If you are comparing it to the current version of jacked which is this:
View attachment 212754

Then they are pretty darn close and are both made by the same parent company so likely pretty close. If you add the weight of the USP labs one at three scoops it equals the same 12,435mg so pretty close. If you are still not sure I would encourage you to keep looking at the current USP labs one is back in stock at a few places in select flavors.
Have you tried the USP labs version? Doubt it has same effects as the OG but I was curious to know the comparison. Yes, if I would give it a try, I would do the USP version.
 

Iwilleattuna

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
I'm considering just picking up pure dmha liquid from science.bio as bulkstimulants appears to be bunk stimulants from the reviews. I just don't like the flavors and artificial ingredients of pre workout anymore. DMHA + coffee
 
Segansational

Segansational

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
I'm considering just picking up pure dmha liquid from science.bio as bulkstimulants appears to be bunk stimulants from the reviews. I just don't like the flavors and artificial ingredients of pre workout anymore. DMHA + coffee
You try something like Death Wish Coffee before? It's like 300 mg caffeine in a serving, so similar to a lot of pre-WO these days.
 
BCseacow83

BCseacow83

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
I'm considering just picking up pure dmha liquid from science.bio as bulkstimulants appears to be bunk stimulants from the reviews. I just don't like the flavors and artificial ingredients of pre workout anymore. DMHA + coffee
I do something similar some of the time: 2 SNS eria-jarensis, 1-2 SNS synephrine, and 2.5mg yohimbine(I tolerate this dose perfectly but never go up really.) This is often my pre-cardio "stack" when I have had a coffee or energy drink. I for some reason prefer these in cap form as you can really dial in the dose. I do like DMHA but it does leave me feeling for drained the next day than the above, like I drained the battery a little too low kind of feeling lol.
 

Jeremyk1

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • RockStar
Has anyone tried this? Saying it's close to the old jack3d. Doubt it but very curious. LolView attachment 212723View attachment 212724
This was originally released as a clone of the old jack3d formula, DMAA and all. When Hi Tech had their run in with the FDA, they had to pull DMAA and re released this with DMHA instead. They also make the new jack3d formula, they just bought the rights to the USPlabs name. Very similar, I kinda like both, but I think I prefer the USP one. Not super strong, but not bad. Taste is good. But caffeine is something like 135mg per scoop, so you may find you need many scoops.
 
BCseacow83

BCseacow83

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
Have you tried the USP labs version? Doubt it has same effects as the OG but I was curious to know the comparison. Yes, if I would give it a try, I would do the USP version.
I have had the DMAA original version and the latest version from hi-tech. I like them both and yes they do feel different but not in a bad way. I took the original almost 20 years ago at this point so EVERYTHING feels different when you are older lol.

Pro's of the current
FAR LESS crash for sure and very little "burnt out" feeling the next day.

Pro's of the OG
More euphoric.

When it comes to DMHA I think mesomorph is stronger but I never went to the full three scoops of the current jacked so I can't say definitively.

I have to laugh because people are always talking about missing out on the OG DMAA but back then there were so many threads of people who HATED it and were desperately looking for a pre without it lol. 10 years from now everyone will be sad they missed DMHA, I would bet the farm on it lol.
 
Oriza7

Oriza7

Member
Awards
0
Thanks for everyone's input. Going to put the jackd versions on hold for now. Ordered Zeus last night. Pretty excited about it. Tried to order el jefe as well but was sold out.
 
Hyde

Hyde

Legend
Awards
5
  • RockStar
  • Legend!
  • Established
  • Best Answer
  • First Up Vote
I have had the DMAA original version and the latest version from hi-tech. I like them both and yes they do feel different but not in a bad way. I took the original almost 20 years ago at this point so EVERYTHING feels different when you are older lol.

Pro's of the current
FAR LESS crash for sure and very little "burnt out" feeling the next day.

Pro's of the OG
More euphoric.

When it comes to DMHA I think mesomorph is stronger but I never went to the full three scoops of the current jacked so I can't say definitively.

I have to laugh because people are always talking about missing out on the OG DMAA but back then there were so many threads of people who HATED it and were desperately looking for a pre without it lol. 10 years from now everyone will be sad they missed DMHA, I would bet the farm on it lol.
I said it before in here, but now is the Golden Era. If you can’t find a great ride for training right now, you just aren’t looking under the right rocks.
 

muscleman

Member
Awards
2
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
I was surprisely impressed by BZRK Voodoo with phenibut and CatuAba. Good energy with focus prospective. Phenibut isn't something I would use every day though. Killer Labz Executioner is also great as DD
Catuaba is 15% in one my favourite yerbamate blends callaed La Potente. Cautuab strengthening the nervesystem as well as the aphrodisiac system
 

muscleman

Member
Awards
2
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
I wonder how many years its gonna take until we read about the next Excelsior in here?
Driven Craze was pulled 2013 and in 2017 Excelsior came I gave up looking for the next Craze after having found CRZ the O.G and found Excelsior only summer 2020 only to realise its gone again now...
 

Iwilleattuna

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
You try something like Death Wish Coffee before? It's like 300 mg caffeine in a serving, so similar to a lot of pre-WO these days.
I’ve had it. It’s good lol. I like dmha though judging on how I responded to condemned Labz convict.
 
BCseacow83

BCseacow83

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
2 scoops looks like heart attack territory
Highest dose of n-phenethyl-dimethylamine I have ever seen. I have personally never taken more than 300mg at a time.......I wonder if half a gram is where "the magic happens?" lol I would personally like to see less caffeine and more of other ingredients but that is just me. Hup-a could be more too IMO. I never understand why companies, once again IMO, underdose that one as its not like it takes up too much space.
 

Irishobrien

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
Highest dose of n-phenethyl-dimethylamine I have ever seen. I have personally never taken more than 300mg at a time.......I wonder if half a gram is where "the magic happens?" lol I would personally like to see less caffeine and more of other ingredients but that is just me. Hup-a could be more too IMO. I never understand why companies, once again IMO, underdose that one as its not like it takes up too much space.
Accounting for the MW of citrate, you’re looking at close to 470 mg+ of caffeine in 2 scoops. That obnoxious, IMO.
 
BCseacow83

BCseacow83

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • First Up Vote
  • RockStar
Accounting for the MW of citrate, you’re looking at close to 470 mg+ of caffeine in 2 scoops. That obnoxious, IMO.
I will sit and drink two 300mg energy drinks more often then I should. Now this results in ZERO increase in BP and HR for me personally but slamming that much in less than 10 seconds will for most be on the high side. I know they have done studies with 600mg for performance enhancement so there is that lol.

As I said I would prefer less as for me it simply does little to nothing past a certain point. I would much rather see higher doses of pea, hup-a and a couple of grams of tyrosine.

Many of the customers I have helped do not even know of any stimulants beyond caffeine so for many they will look at this as super strong because of the caffeine alone. You would be surprised how many people do not know what a stimulant even is. And the "caffeine arms race" continues. I remember people saying the same thing when companies started using 300 lol.
 

Foxx13

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
Been using Zeus and Defiant PW and they are OK. Mesomorph seems to be better for me. I also got Burnt Out and only tried it once so far. The best stim I used was Amp Citrate. Crazy focus and no crash, that about 6-8 years ago. Haven’t really been impressed with any PW workout lately.
 
KvanH

KvanH

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
  • RockStar
Been using Zeus and Defiant PW and they are OK. Mesomorph seems to be better for me. I also got Burnt Out and only tried it once so far. The best stim I used was Amp Citrate. Crazy focus and no crash, that about 6-8 years ago. Haven’t really been impressed with any PW workout lately.
Amp Citrate (DMBA) one of my favorites too. Haven't seen it anywhere in years.
 
Hyde

Hyde

Legend
Awards
5
  • RockStar
  • Legend!
  • Established
  • Best Answer
  • First Up Vote
Amp Citrate (DMBA) one of my favorites too. Haven't seen it anywhere in years.
Couldn’t do that stuff for training.

Good euphoria, but the heart rate increase and increased sweating ended up sapping any extra energy it may have provided in training. It was solid though as a “fat burner” ingredient for appetite suppression & mood lift.

Zoo did a limited run within the last couple years as I recall of Amp Citrate, Spook (everything in the series was ghosts, ghouls, undead-themed).
 
KvanH

KvanH

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Best Answer
  • Established
  • RockStar
Couldn’t do that stuff for training.

Good euphoria, but the heart rate increase and increased sweating ended up sapping any extra energy it may have provided in training. It was solid though as a “fat burner” ingredient for appetite suppression & mood lift.

Zoo did a limited run within the last couple years as I recall of Amp Citrate, Spook (everything in the series was ghosts, ghouls, undead-themed).
We were discussing Amp Citrate and the differences on individual response to stims on the Excelsior - thread earlier today and my experience is pretty much the opposite of yours and the other member in that thread. I didn't really get any euphoria from Amp C, but no sides to note either. Nice clean energy and thus perfect for (occasional) preWO boost.

Kind of funny how these things work.
 
ELROCK

ELROCK

Well-known member
Awards
3
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • First Up Vote
We were discussing Amp Citrate and the differences on individual response to stims on the Excelsior - thread earlier today and my experience is pretty much the opposite of yours and the other member in that thread. I didn't really get any euphoria from Amp C, but no sides to note either. Nice clean energy and thus perfect for (occasional) preWO boost.

Kind of funny how these things work.
I like amp citrate. For me it is a nice mood boost with energy. I notice increased body temp and increased sweating for sure. No real change in HR and no noticeable crash for me.
 
Hyde

Hyde

Legend
Awards
5
  • RockStar
  • Legend!
  • Established
  • Best Answer
  • First Up Vote
I like amp citrate. For me it is a nice mood boost with energy. I notice increased body temp and increased sweating for sure. No real change in HR and no noticeable crash for me.
It was good for no crash
 

muscleman

Member
Awards
2
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
I'm considering just picking up pure dmha liquid from science.bio as bulkstimulants appears to be bunk stimulants from the reviews. I just don't like the flavors and artificial ingredients of pre workout anymore. DMHA + coffee
The artificial ingredients have been feeling worse and worse the longer I took them. Some studies showing aspartame etc... is toxic at some level. I don´t mind a bit of bitter kigelia africana powder that I got in bulk from Sportpoeders but not that fond of the ingredient anyhow
 

Iwilleattuna

Well-known member
Awards
4
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
  • RockStar
  • Best Answer
The artificial ingredients have been feeling worse and worse the longer I took them. Some studies showing aspartame etc... is toxic at some level. I don´t mind a bit of bitter kigelia africana powder that I got in bulk from Sportpoeders but not that fond of the ingredient anyhow
yup, way too sweet these days especially with the bigger companies and daily pres. I like getting a light pre . Most companies try and cover up all of the ingredients with that method. Condemned Labz convict is my favorite . Hits well , has dmha and not overly flavored/sweetened. I just want the effects . I don’t care about taste at all but I notice if it’s overly palatable , it kinda bloats me and makes me feel bad.
 

imcamlost

New member
Awards
0
Guys, going to US next month, there is any good Pre that sells on otc shops like GNC, or I can only get the good ones online and shipped to my hotel?
 
MikeSumthin

MikeSumthin

Member
Awards
2
  • First Up Vote
  • Established
Guys, going to US next month, there is any good Pre that sells on otc shops like GNC, or I can only get the good ones online and shipped to my hotel?
"Good" preworkout meaning strong stim??

GNC and Vitamin Shoppe carry "Redcon1", "Ghost", and "Optimum Nutrition"
 

Nodus1

Member
Awards
1
  • First Up Vote
Guys, going to US next month, there is any good Pre that sells on otc shops like GNC, or I can only get the good ones online and shipped to my hotel?
It might depend upon where you are based and how willing and able you are to travel. There may be independent shops or gyms in your area which sell well-dosed Pres.
 

Similar threads


Top