I'm gonna organize a crime family just to hunt down the ****ers who ended it like this. I expected some **** to be left hanging, but everything? Stupid mother****ers needed a God damn editor to get their **** together.
How very 'artistic' of them. I thought of that as a possibility, but since they've expanded the series well beyond Tony's pov, contracting it at the end and not giving any solid info or closure of any plot thread is a cop out. Especially since Bobby screamed in pain when he was shot. He plainly heard it. If they were going to kill Tony, they should have damn well done it outright. Fact is they left the ending very ambiguous. He could be dead, the story could continue, maybe someone else at th table was killed. No way of knowing. And after seven years and a couple ****ed up seasons that may as well have evaporated for all that was done with them, they could have gotten their **** together and instead of astounding themselves with their cleverness delivered a tighter ending. The same anti climactic bull**** that ended Deadwood. They shot their load with no fanfare, plain and simple, and without getting anyone else off in the process.It was an ode to what Bobby said while fishing in the boat with Tony. "I bet you don't even hear it when it happens." I think the guy who went in the bathroom got him right as he saw Meadow. The last scene is Meadow walking in (through Tony's view) and then BAM. An abrupt mid-scene cut, no sound. The guy came out of the bathroom to his side and whacked him. He didnt even see it coming. His last vision was Meadow...
It explains the lack of sound. The credits and everything were stripped. The cut was abnormally abrupt, not like a normal end scene cut.
You dont give these guys enough credit. They did think about the ending a bit I think.
Half of the people b1tching dont even fvckiing get it... Sweet IRONY.
DING, DING, DING!Maybe they're leaving an opening for the movie.
Supposedly if you read the credits it names some of the people in the restaurant, so you can sort of imply what happened. I'll have to check, catch it next time it's on and just catch the credits. I did like the cat bit. Nice story element, the kind I seem to remember them throwing in and then lacking for a long while.I was stuned with dissappointment last night!!
But then I think the movie thing is a huge possibility too. The guy goes to shot Tony, but gets distracted as Meadow rushes in, letting Tony grab the gun. That's my prediction!
Still seems to 'clever' for me. After seven years and a couple seasons which may as well not have existed, it would have been nice to see something more definitive. Besides, they opened the scope of the series well beyond his point of view a long time ago. The whole Kevin Finnerty bs never got another mention, the foreshadowing when he was on buttons and saw the lighthouse beacon again in the sunrise, nothing. It all turned to nothing. No resolution, no change, as if the entire 7 years you spent with them amounted to ****. Very disappointing in my view. No sense of finality.Actually you aren't supposed to figure out what happened at the end because what actually happened wasn't important. What was important was the TENSION.
Tony's whole life is tension. Always looking over his shoulder, always wondering when the end will come, when someone will come to put a hit on him or his family. When he'll be arrested. During that entire final sequence, we are given a true taste of what it is like to be Tony. We feel insurmountable tension throughout the whole scene and at the end, it cuts off leaving us not knowing what happened. Why? So that the tension isn't relieved. Tony's tension is never relieved, he lives with it every day of his life. So it is only fitting that the entire show end without relieving that tension.
And it was very effective at its goal. I'd bet there are a ton of people who watched it who can STILL feel the tension it generated.
That's pretty good.Actually you aren't supposed to figure out what happened at the end because what actually happened wasn't important. What was important was the TENSION.
Tony's whole life is tension. Always looking over his shoulder, always wondering when the end will come, when someone will come to put a hit on him or his family. When he'll be arrested. During that entire final sequence, we are given a true taste of what it is like to be Tony. We feel insurmountable tension throughout the whole scene and at the end, it cuts off leaving us not knowing what happened. Why? So that the tension isn't relieved. Tony's tension is never relieved, he lives with it every day of his life. So it is only fitting that the entire show end without relieving that tension.
And it was very effective at its goal. I'd bet there are a ton of people who watched it who can STILL feel the tension it generated.
Meh.Still seems to 'clever' for me. After seven years and a couple seasons which may as well not have existed, it would have been nice to see something more definitive. Besides, they opened the scope of the series well beyond his point of view a long time ago. The whole Kevin Finnerty bs never got another mention, the foreshadowing when he was on buttons and saw the lighthouse beacon again in the sunrise, nothing. It all turned to nothing. No resolution, no change, as if the entire 7 years you spent with them amounted to ****. Very disappointing in my view. No sense of finality.
I just think he could have gotten the same effect but given some resolution to something. Six Feet under managed that, you didn't know what happened to everyone but you knew how they died. Aftermath managed it, you didn't know what happened but you had a sense of closure, like at least your part as a viewer of the story ended. I can see the effect he was going for, I just think it was bad decision making given the fact that so much was left hanging, and not to mention they kep teasing and teasing in the previews all this season and all you got was a blank screen. Plus the whole writing team there just seemed to love character sketching with as little action as possible. Some pay off would have been nice finally. No need for a blood bath or anything major, just a sense of ending.Meh.
It's a few years out of the life of Tony Soprano and his crime family. I thought it was great. Not everything has an end...
But I can totally understand why it pissed you off. It's definitely not for everyone.
Well Bobby heard it. Felt it, too. He moaned in pain. Maybe it's us, the viewers, that got wacked?IMO, it is an open ending but I think Tony got killed. The abrupt mid-scene cut (not a normal end scene transition) and no sound signifies the convo he had with Bobby. "You dont even hear it..".
Thats not the point, we saw Bobby get shot. I think Tony's death was supposed to be as perceived by him. The end of the second to last ep we see a scene where he staring at the door, it switches to his POV then ends. There is also some odd camera work going on in the dinner. Tony walks in and looks in, apparently looking at himself sitting down in the dinner. It then cuts to him at the table. At first it seems like a coincidence in the progression of how it was cut. I doubt this was an accident at all. There is a LOT going on here that many people simply didn't catch.Well Bobby heard it. Felt it, too. He moaned in pain. Maybe it's us, the viewers, that got wacked?
Thats not the point, we saw Bobby get shot. I think Tony's death was supposed to be as perceived by him. The end of the second to last ep we see a scene where he staring at the door, it switches to his POV then ends. There is also some odd camera work going on in the dinner. Tony walks in and looks in, apparently looking at himself sitting down in the dinner. It then cuts to him at the table. At first it seems like a coincidence in the progression of how it was cut. I doubt this was an accident at all. There is a LOT going on here that many people simply didn't catch.
I have been reading around the net about various theories. The #1 theory gaining momentum is the one I outlined previously. Phil's nephew is likely the culprit. Still, it WAS intended to be open. The dinner is full of people that want to hurt Tony. The point is he wont ever escape his past and the life of crime. If he does live, he will be looking over his shoulder forever. Personally, I think there are many clues telling us that he was likely whacked. Chase just didnt spell it out for everyone. In the end, it turned out better. The True fans that know the characters were rewarded and the dolts that don't know **** were left screaming at their TV.
I got the same take on ending as you!It was an ode to what Bobby said while fishing in the boat with Tony. "I bet you don't even hear it when it happens." I think the guy who went in the bathroom got him right as he saw Meadow. The last scene is Meadow walking in (through Tony's view) and then BAM. An abrupt mid-scene cut, no sound. The guy came out of the bathroom to his side and whacked him. He didnt even see it coming. His last vision was Meadow...
It explains the lack of sound. The credits and everything were stripped. The cut was abnormally abrupt, not like a normal end scene cut.
You dont give these guys enough credit. They did think about the ending a bit I think.
Half of the people b1tching dont even fvckiing get it... Sweet IRONY.
Too bad the last scene is of Tony looking up, apparently at Meadow. If it was supposed to be a first person view, they screwed it up. If it was supposed to let us know his life is full of tension, they're 6 seasons too late.I got the same take on ending as you!
Too bad the last scene is of Tony looking up, apparently at Meadow. If it was supposed to be a first person view, they screwed it up. If it was supposed to let us know his life is full of tension, they're 6 seasons too late.
Consider this: originally Phil was going to kill Christopher to let Tony know what it was like to lose someone close to him to such a murder. Suppose Meadow got shot on a last standing order of Phil.
Bottom line is Chase left it open which is, in my opinion, the artsy, I'm-so-impressed-with-my-writing-ability-deserved-or-not way out. It's a cop out that will leave English profs and majors and art house critics praising the writer, but for the rest of the world is like getting a great handjob and then the chick just up and walks away as you're about to blow and leaves you throbbing. It's not delivering when you should.
Kill Tony, kill Meadow, kill Carmella, or Melfi, or anyone or no one. It's possible to leave an ambiguous ending and still give a sense of the larger story ending. In my personal opinion Chase is an ******* who is too impressed with himself and could have used an editor to help him get his **** together.
Which I think was his goal. To which, kudos. He succeeded. But he also, in my view, completely ****ed the ending of what started out as a great show, and could have ended as such too despite some grey area in between.At the very least, he's caused an incredible contraversy.
Chase has to give people a break and cut the "It's all there" bull****. If it were all there everyone would know what the **** happened without any doubts. I would say the ending was legitimate if he didn't seem to be wallowing in prid over his cleverness. Every modern artist who ****s on a canvas and hangs it up says 'it's all there' when people ask if there's any meaning to their 'masterpiece'. It's pretentious bull****.Hey, word on the street is that Tony got whacked!
Tony Soprano is dead theory gains credence - Sopranos - MSNBC.com
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